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Interzone / Re: Dark Legions Archive: The Book
« on: January 10, 2009, 12:49:12 AM »
Interviews could add creditability to what is said within the book. Hopefully what should make these interviews actually useful to someone will be useful questions rather than the usual "Please explain why you are so awesome". This should hopefully also bring the book to a wider audience if say Varg Vikernes and Vidar Vaaer were interviewed.

Interzone / Re: Temperments of the Composers
« on: November 21, 2008, 04:14:53 PM »
Composers of the western musical tradition have always been heavily categorized beyond a simple epoch of birth. Since the term baroque to describe a period of music has only arisen within the last few decades most baroque music used to (and often still is) organized as sacred, secular and for the court. Also rather than having "sub-genres" such as brutal death metal we today refer to a particular country or region of a country were such stylistic features were common. For example J. Pachelbel is often seen as the pinnacle of the southern German organ school and J.P. Rameau was brought many never before seen music features to the French baroque style. Even the era of the Baroque is split into the transition from the renaissance to the baroque, the early baroque, the middle period baroque, late period baroque, high-baroque and the roco/gallant style. Not to mention the English, French, Norther German, Southern German, Spanish, Italian and Venetian styles which can all be broken apart into further styles depending on whether they are meant of court, church, secular or private use.

In the baroque there is often it's very own culture separate from other musical styles based upon the instrument that the music is written for. There is a long tradition of choral and organ music being taught as completely separate styles of music as the other church music. And when you consider that this is only the baroque and that with the romantic and 20th century styles of classical music bring even more styles of music because of the musical freedom the time allowed there is many times the amount of genres and styles within classical music than metal has ever had. I do not think there is any room for the very personalized lists that have been proposed so far.

Interzone / Re: Modern Music and Jazz
« on: November 13, 2008, 03:37:18 PM »
Interestingly, he also seems to dislike the "pathos" of Romantic music. Romantic music already was a "degeneration" of Classical music, in a way and the Modernists merely took Romantic music to it's conclusion.

This is hardly the idea of a lone quack, there is and has been since the romantic period a strong belief in it destroying the ideals of classical music as it existed in the baroque and the classical periods.

Interzone / Heroic Men and the Composers who Stand for them
« on: November 06, 2008, 01:43:55 AM »
Among the many and varied reasons for music to exist and an equally large number of spirits to praise there has always been a special place in my heart for the music that exonerates the epitome of the Greek image of the hero. Not all great composer write music of the traditional ideals of the Greek hero. J.S. Bach in his closest parables of the St John and Mathew passions paints the picture of a man with the virtues that the music ascribes to him facing the weight of the world in a quite and peaceful acceptance of his death. But of the composers who do choose to explore what makes a man a revered hero each period of music gives its own zeitgeist to the properties of the hero. G.P. Telemann in his broad and dramatic strokes gives the image very much akin to the period's visual arts. Movement, dynamics and above all an idealized picture of a man while purging all that makes the man impure. The heroes that he describes are the same as the much more literal hero of Jacques-Louis Davidís Leonidas At Thermopylae or Federico Barocciís Aeneas flees burning Troy. The music of G.F. Handel being a contemporary of Telemann and also writing in a similar high Baroque style (but without the early Baroque tendencies of Telemannís music) and sets the image of the same men and same traits but shows it through the lens of a somewhat darker and violent individual. Moving beyond the Baroque we find in Beethoven a man carrying on the legacy of Telemann and Handel. Schubert could also be added to this list of great hero composers. Of the romantic I am sure it will not take long for you to begin to imagine composers who can also be added and perhaps if we clear away the surrealists muck we may find some in the 20th century as well.

Interzone / Re: Predominant racial types amongst metal musicians
« on: November 05, 2008, 10:57:08 PM »
I can't help but liken this to an attempt to anylise the predominant racial type in hip-hop music and why that might be.

Considering I have seen all kinds of Racial groups listen to (and almost to the same extent create) hip-hop from Mexicans, Blacks, Asians from both the northern and southern varieties, Indians to Europeans of Mediterranean, Slavish and Celtic decent (and middle eastern Hip hop is popular as well) I do not think there is a predominant racial type for hip-hop.

Interzone / Re: Good deeds
« on: November 05, 2008, 10:51:48 PM »
But by helping them we are dishonoring them - by the implication that they are unable to help themselves. It's an insult rather than an honor.

So is being as obtrusive as possible a positive thing because you make it harder for them to express their will showing how great they are when they manage to express it? Is Hitler then the savior of the Jews by giving them something to do?

Interzone / Re: Predominant racial types amongst metal musicians
« on: November 03, 2008, 10:28:17 PM »
You don't have to be innovative to be influential. Rock groups like Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix and Black Sabbath weren't listening to German polka and Celtic folk. They were listening to Robert Johnson and Mississippi Fred McDowell. Not that that makes them musical geniuses or anything. Just influential musicians.

I have to agree. While most of the blues musicality has existed since before its creation it does not mean it cannot be an influence, that influence an influence that then influences metal. While it should be noted that many forms of folk and indeed European folk music also had its bearing this direct contribution is not as dominant as the blues and early rock music. However on the note of Black Sabbath while one may here a strong blues influence, folk music also can be heard in their earlier albums. So while I do not deny ASBO's assertion (given that rock journalists are not very credible) I also believe these other forms of music were not the sole propagators of metal and that blues does play a large part in the development of early metal. 

it wouldn't necessarily be social conditioning to find female traits more naturally attractive than male traits; our genetic basis is female

It could be argued just as easily that the female form is that of an underdeveloped man.

Interzone / Re: Transcendental Christianity texts
« on: November 03, 2008, 10:19:21 PM »
After the bible I would recommended the Gnostic gospels. It must be remembered that Christianity and indeed the bible of today are heavily edited and reading the gnostic (and Islamic) texts provides greater insight into the whole spectrum of Christianity.

Metal / Re: Beherit
« on: November 03, 2008, 10:14:30 PM »
Do not forget:

"Messe des Morts" EP (available as Beherit / Archgoat split) (1994)
Suuri Shamaani "Mysteerien Maailma" (1999)

Including these, the progression from each Beherit release to the next seems more than logical - an inevitable consequence, if there happens no turning back and running away. In fact, each of the albums is like a full-scale symphony built out of a theme or fragment that appeared on the previous one ("Drawing Down the Moon" draws from the more coherent parts of "Oath...", "H418ov21.c" from "Nuclear Girl" and "Gate of Nanna", the Suuri Shamaani album is an extension of the last track on EDS, etc).

I always felt that H418ov21.C was closer to Suuri Shamaani than Electric Doom Synthesis which felt more like a move backwards and akin to Drawing Down the Moon.

Metal / Re: Beherit
« on: November 02, 2008, 12:08:03 AM »
Audiofile link

Drawing Down the Moon should be remembered as the BEHERIT "debut" as TOoBB was a couple of demos illegally cobbled together.  I'm not sure anyone else has approached the level of surreal, swimming ambience they managed on DDtM.

I would have to agree. I feel Drawing Down the Moon is far more fully developed and fleshed out than the later electronic albums.

Interzone / Re: Ueber apt band names
« on: October 31, 2008, 01:30:57 PM »

There are close to ten bands with that name.

Well so much for that idea. What about  Typography.

Interzone / Re: Wisdom of School Shooters
« on: October 31, 2008, 01:27:57 PM »
As a Buddhist would say knowledge is nothing without understanding. I believe many of these school shooters begin to gain commendable insight into the world but their futile actions show that while they have knowledge they never seem to be able to justify the actual act of the school shooting. I remember the Finnish school shooting (not the most recent but the one before) where he stated (if memory holds true) that humans are beyond saving and since there is a lack of inherent value in the universe there is nothing wrong with me destroying people for no reason other then I can. 

Interzone / Re: Good deeds
« on: October 31, 2008, 01:19:50 PM »
I have a very similar feeling when a man I helped in a wheel chair hit a pot hole and fell off and was unable to get back on. Worst of all was that it was bucketing down and because he was behind parked cars no one could see him.

Interzone / Re: Ueber apt band names
« on: October 30, 2008, 09:34:44 PM »
My contribution. Obsidian

Interzone / Re: Predominant racial types amongst metal musicians
« on: October 29, 2008, 09:28:56 PM »
Are there any very strange or ugly looking metal musicians amongst the greats?

If I were to think of the epitome (and stereotype) of a death metal fan the word ugly would be raised prominently. I personaly have never noticed any difference in attractiveness of metal musicans to differ from other forms of music asides from pop-culture where image is important.

It is certainly an interesting notion but I am tempted to dismiss it out of hand as nothing more than conditioning. If you are interested in notable attempts by humans to define human beauty you can look at the writings of Leonardo da Vinci or you can investigate the Buddhist idea of correct bodily proportions. 

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