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Chasm / Re: Toxic attitudes
« on: January 05, 2012, 07:04:02 PM »Addressed on the front page
What front page? I'm curious where did you quote that text from?
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Chasm / Re: The inversion diet
« on: January 04, 2012, 07:15:48 AM »
What about salads? I find leafy stuff expensive, time-consuming to prepare and insubstantial calorie-wise. Fresh tomatoes, peppers, celery, cucumber, all very nice but very expensive. I recommend if you can find in your area 'broccoli coleslaw' i.e. sticks of the broccoli stalk (not flower) that would normally get thrown out, usually you can find it pre-cut and pre-washed too. Add to that any of carrot, bean sprouts, spinach puree, onion, daikon, canned tomato (crushed / diced), bok choy, etc. You can make a big batch all at once and eat it over several days. Delicious, substantial and relatively inexpensive. Do you really just not like the taste?
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Commerce / Media reports on recent academic study are biased against metal
« on: December 29, 2011, 06:38:01 PM »
Not a new story, but still an evolving one. Please let me know if you're aware of additional developments.
Media reports on recent academic study are biased against metal
Media reports on recent academic study are biased against metal
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Chasm / Re: Nothingness after death - As uncertain as afterlife
« on: December 27, 2011, 03:12:48 PM »What does one transcend to from omnipotence? If you widen the frame, the essence fills the gap; it remains omnipotence. The infinite can infinitely transcend, or rather, transcendance is a meaningless concept when applied to infinity. It's not like there's a barrier labelled "infinity" somewhere right?
I'm saying omnipotence is an extreme quality, you can't have degrees of it, you either have it or you don't. Like the adage 'nothing finite exists apart from the infinite'. It's true it's a rather meaningless concept, a deity could still be very powerful, just not infinitely so. Initially some posts back I raised this question to determine a priori the nature of reality: in this sense, what I think is important is to understand god ≠ infinity. As infinity is indeed a meaningless concept, I find it harmful how some people hear god is supposed to be omnipotent and then immediately make the leap to a belief in infinity aka god. The only thin the concept of infinity as it pertains to a deity is good for is to suck people into illogical scenarios. The concept has a tendency to rationalize facts away, or even to stop questions from being asked in the first place as if god does all and he works in mysterious ways. If we live in a finite, logical universe we understand god can't always choose any scenario whatsoever to occur, and we can have faith in the rigor of our logic to help explain things.
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Chasm / Re: Useful skills: outlining
« on: December 27, 2011, 03:55:24 AM »
Breath Transcix, breath. OK, I am going to ask this as calmly and straight-forwardly as possible: what is the point of this thread?
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Chasm / Re: Nothingness after death - As uncertain as afterlife
« on: December 27, 2011, 03:46:15 AM »We know for certain there's no such thing as an omnipotent god, too bad Christians don't listen to me on that one, lol... omnipotence would by definition include the freedom of will to totally transcend the very identity which would wield the omnipotence in the first place, thus cancelling it out.
What do you mean by "totally transcend the very identity which would wield the omnipotence in the first place"? There are basically two ways you could think of an omipotent being transcending its own identity in such a way that it "cancels out" its omnipotence: (1) Such a being becomes more than maximally powerful; (2) Such a being becomes less than maximally powerful.
(1) is a logical impossibility. I don't see why one would have to conceive of omnipotence in such a way that "x is omnipotent" entails that "x can do things that are logically impossible." Lots of Christians conceive of God's omnipotence as the power to do absolutely anything that's not logically impossible.
(2) does nothing to undermine God's omnipotence. How would being able to become less than omnipotent undermine an omnipotent being's omnipotence? If I'm ignorant but am able to become less ignorant, that does not show that I'm not now ignorant.
If you don't have either (1) or (2) in mind, then what do you have in mind?
Thanks a good question, I should clarify by 'omnipotent' I refer to 'infinite power', as opposed to 'great amounts of power' which the term can also be taken to mean. So if you drop your level of omnipotence down by any notch, well then you impose limits on your power, and infinite power by definition can have no limits. This brings to mind a relevant phrase I like to say: a limit is only ever a constituent of a framework towards potentially limitless freedom, where this freedom can only ever arise within a limited framework and where its limitlessness pertains to an un-ending process such as eternal life, not to the total dissolution of all limits / conventions / definitions (which would entail total destruction and non-existence).
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Chasm / philosophical or spiritual discourse on metal’s experiential nature
« on: December 24, 2011, 12:50:24 AM »
From my blog:
The state of discourse regarding metal’s experiential nature from philosophical or spiritual perspectives (full title did not fit in forum subject bar above)
Philosophical or spiritual examination of metal’s experiential nature seems lacking in the marketplace of ideas. The lack of consensus as to the nature of the human condition, and the extent to which complicated subjective experiences are involved, makes it very difficult to converse in this area of thought. People are motivated to listen to metal for a variety of reasons such as emotional catharsis, entertainment, socialization, rebellion, etc, and while these motivations should all be recognized they do not pertain to the present topic. Just as the state of human consciousness in the world today is very poor, in corollary these motivations for listening to metal do not pertain to the music’s higher experiential potential, which certainly helps explain why so little discourse about it exists. A text examining the experiential nature of metal from a philosophical or spiritual perspective would need also examine the nature of the human condition, and moreover it would have to argue for a certain view of the human condition, it would have to create a space for itself in an inhospitable marketplace of ideas almost as magically as metal engages the listener.
Music can be a very powerful thing, in its impact on consciousness and as an expression of or banner for philosophical or spiritual paradigms, and I firmly believe the potential exists for music and paradigm to evolve mutually. This potential is frequently echoed in the very accounts and commentaries of metal musicians themselves, the artwork and symbols they employ, the theater they perform, the lyrics they choose and, indeed I would submit, the very sounds they craft. Certainly in some cases the affair may admittedly have more to do with branding and marketing. But in other cases, if anything is to help metal tackle and rise above the poverty of human consciousness—metal the product of this consciousness in the first place—is it not precisely the music itself, in the musician’s dissociatively-inspired conception of it, which tends to circumvent the conscious mind altogether, and be uniquely capable of expressing that fateful essence not capturable by rigid conventions of image, word or ritual? The trouble is, then, to with an earthly consciousness actually recognize and identify musical qualities specifically, lest every teenager’s exclamation of metal’s awesomeness be taken without a grain of salt.
The distinction between the metal critic and the metal academic is significant, yet underlying both occupations is largely the same stuff in what the listener’s personality type and paradigm are, how different metal affects different personality types and paradigms differently, and what metal is enjoyable and healthy for which personality types and paradigms. Yet in their reviews and recommendations the critic has only subjective tastes and arbitrary value judgements to offer, as if musical preference hinges on something resembling luck without deep and complex processes of causation underneath, and in their studies and publications academics have only objective, tangible analysis and speculative exploration to offer. It is very difficult to bring into the picture that common denominator shared by all people, as political correctness insists on tolerance and the lines delineating academic fields of study are dissociatively secular. In my view the problem is not tolerance or secularism, it is that the questions of philosophy and spirituality are abstracted, removed from all equations and routinely hidden in the blindness of faith, in a hopeless and perverse marketplace of ideas convinced the answers are beyond reach.
I would submit the aspect of metal’s growling vocals as one example of philosophical and spiritual ignorance towards the music’s experiential nature. While many people say all growling vocals sound the same (and cringe at the sound of them), serious metal listeners recognize a wide variety of growling vocal styles exist. At the same time, where the human voice in music can convey emotion exceptionally well, perhaps better than any instrument, and where growling vocals are particularly distinctive and intense, serious metal listeners tend to be strangely incapable of articulating why they like certain styles of growling vocals and dislike, sometimes passionately, other styles of growling vocals. When metal critics comment on growling vocals they usually describe them by comparing them to those of other bands, or by indicating their sonal qualities such as volume, raspiness, level of pitch, etc. At the same time, we have all probably scratched our heads on numerous occasions wondering why bands producing otherwise great music would employ such awful growling vocals, how there could be such a disconnect.
Metal’s emotional content is highly complex and often relates back to underlying paradigms sought to be expressed by the musicians, yet rarely do metal listeners express their preference for certain growling vocal styles over others in terms of emotional content and corresponding philosophical or spiritual integrity. For example, while many metal listeners often denounce emo music, at the same time they may profess to love black metal bands featuring horrific, agonized, desparaging shrieks that could certainly be argued to be emo-esque. More broadly, if according to one’s paradigm one values in life for instance such things as immortality, strength, determination, courage, passion and nobility, then in much black metal one would find only the antithesis of these values in such things as fear, mortality and death, unconditional surrender, chaos, sorrow, hate, wretchedness and disgust, etc. I for one walk the left-hand path and hold the former set of values, find utterly unappealing the latter set, and find it most remarkable how the two sets, while practically opposite, occupy similar spaces in the black metal sub-genre without many questions being raised about it. (Examples of black metal songs I love would include Moonblood’s Blut Und Krieg, Satyricon’s Mother North, and Ulver’s entire Bergtatt album.)
While I only listen to metal that appeals to me on the level of my left-hand path paradigm, in much of the music I listen to I find the underlying paradigm and lyrics quite unappealing, except I interpret the music much differently than how the musicians intended—purely the sound resonates in brilliant harmony with my left-hand path paradigm, I ignore what I may be aware of about the musician’s underlying paradigm, and thankfully I am usually unable to decipher the lyrics within the distortion of the growling vocals. This indicates to me that even the makers of the music, the musicians themselves, are often somewhat ignorant of the music’s deeper core, and at the same time it reinforces in me the notion that the realm of aggression—shared by basically all darker metal bands regardless of their more specific value sets—is an enormously complex, subtle and rich space capturing a wide range of value sets and indeed possessing transformative capacity from more ‘poor’ value sets to more ‘enlightened’ value sets, as exemplified in the not-uncommon accounts of black metal listeners reporting Zen-like experiences of catharsis and transcendence. By the same token, surely aggressive music also has the capacity to impact one’s consciousness negatively, yet when academics debate whether or not metal can be linked to things like depression or delinquency rarely if ever do they distinguish between the various philosophical and spiritual impulses that profoundly characterize different types of metal.
It is no wonder these things are rarely talked about as, to recapitulate, humanity is terribly ignorant and divided about matters of the spirit. But it would be foolish to consider metal only in isolation from its deeper essence, considering the sheer power of music which begs to be better understood, respected and manipulated. Perhaps more than any other musical genre metal values authenticity, so when the musicians themselves frequently place great importance on aspects of philosophy, spirituality, religion or occultism incorporated into their art, are we to examine the matter further or rather take the genre to be something of a sham? Where a few minutes may be (well-)spent denouncing the mind-dumbing, spirit-numbing garbage generated in the mainstream music industry, entire evenings may be spent examining and arguing about the magic offered rather uniquely from metal. In fact entire symposiums were occupied with such discourse, Black Metal Theory symposiums which since 2009 represent an important foray into this area of thought.
The state of discourse regarding metal’s experiential nature from philosophical or spiritual perspectives (full title did not fit in forum subject bar above)
Philosophical or spiritual examination of metal’s experiential nature seems lacking in the marketplace of ideas. The lack of consensus as to the nature of the human condition, and the extent to which complicated subjective experiences are involved, makes it very difficult to converse in this area of thought. People are motivated to listen to metal for a variety of reasons such as emotional catharsis, entertainment, socialization, rebellion, etc, and while these motivations should all be recognized they do not pertain to the present topic. Just as the state of human consciousness in the world today is very poor, in corollary these motivations for listening to metal do not pertain to the music’s higher experiential potential, which certainly helps explain why so little discourse about it exists. A text examining the experiential nature of metal from a philosophical or spiritual perspective would need also examine the nature of the human condition, and moreover it would have to argue for a certain view of the human condition, it would have to create a space for itself in an inhospitable marketplace of ideas almost as magically as metal engages the listener.
Music can be a very powerful thing, in its impact on consciousness and as an expression of or banner for philosophical or spiritual paradigms, and I firmly believe the potential exists for music and paradigm to evolve mutually. This potential is frequently echoed in the very accounts and commentaries of metal musicians themselves, the artwork and symbols they employ, the theater they perform, the lyrics they choose and, indeed I would submit, the very sounds they craft. Certainly in some cases the affair may admittedly have more to do with branding and marketing. But in other cases, if anything is to help metal tackle and rise above the poverty of human consciousness—metal the product of this consciousness in the first place—is it not precisely the music itself, in the musician’s dissociatively-inspired conception of it, which tends to circumvent the conscious mind altogether, and be uniquely capable of expressing that fateful essence not capturable by rigid conventions of image, word or ritual? The trouble is, then, to with an earthly consciousness actually recognize and identify musical qualities specifically, lest every teenager’s exclamation of metal’s awesomeness be taken without a grain of salt.
The distinction between the metal critic and the metal academic is significant, yet underlying both occupations is largely the same stuff in what the listener’s personality type and paradigm are, how different metal affects different personality types and paradigms differently, and what metal is enjoyable and healthy for which personality types and paradigms. Yet in their reviews and recommendations the critic has only subjective tastes and arbitrary value judgements to offer, as if musical preference hinges on something resembling luck without deep and complex processes of causation underneath, and in their studies and publications academics have only objective, tangible analysis and speculative exploration to offer. It is very difficult to bring into the picture that common denominator shared by all people, as political correctness insists on tolerance and the lines delineating academic fields of study are dissociatively secular. In my view the problem is not tolerance or secularism, it is that the questions of philosophy and spirituality are abstracted, removed from all equations and routinely hidden in the blindness of faith, in a hopeless and perverse marketplace of ideas convinced the answers are beyond reach.
I would submit the aspect of metal’s growling vocals as one example of philosophical and spiritual ignorance towards the music’s experiential nature. While many people say all growling vocals sound the same (and cringe at the sound of them), serious metal listeners recognize a wide variety of growling vocal styles exist. At the same time, where the human voice in music can convey emotion exceptionally well, perhaps better than any instrument, and where growling vocals are particularly distinctive and intense, serious metal listeners tend to be strangely incapable of articulating why they like certain styles of growling vocals and dislike, sometimes passionately, other styles of growling vocals. When metal critics comment on growling vocals they usually describe them by comparing them to those of other bands, or by indicating their sonal qualities such as volume, raspiness, level of pitch, etc. At the same time, we have all probably scratched our heads on numerous occasions wondering why bands producing otherwise great music would employ such awful growling vocals, how there could be such a disconnect.
Metal’s emotional content is highly complex and often relates back to underlying paradigms sought to be expressed by the musicians, yet rarely do metal listeners express their preference for certain growling vocal styles over others in terms of emotional content and corresponding philosophical or spiritual integrity. For example, while many metal listeners often denounce emo music, at the same time they may profess to love black metal bands featuring horrific, agonized, desparaging shrieks that could certainly be argued to be emo-esque. More broadly, if according to one’s paradigm one values in life for instance such things as immortality, strength, determination, courage, passion and nobility, then in much black metal one would find only the antithesis of these values in such things as fear, mortality and death, unconditional surrender, chaos, sorrow, hate, wretchedness and disgust, etc. I for one walk the left-hand path and hold the former set of values, find utterly unappealing the latter set, and find it most remarkable how the two sets, while practically opposite, occupy similar spaces in the black metal sub-genre without many questions being raised about it. (Examples of black metal songs I love would include Moonblood’s Blut Und Krieg, Satyricon’s Mother North, and Ulver’s entire Bergtatt album.)
While I only listen to metal that appeals to me on the level of my left-hand path paradigm, in much of the music I listen to I find the underlying paradigm and lyrics quite unappealing, except I interpret the music much differently than how the musicians intended—purely the sound resonates in brilliant harmony with my left-hand path paradigm, I ignore what I may be aware of about the musician’s underlying paradigm, and thankfully I am usually unable to decipher the lyrics within the distortion of the growling vocals. This indicates to me that even the makers of the music, the musicians themselves, are often somewhat ignorant of the music’s deeper core, and at the same time it reinforces in me the notion that the realm of aggression—shared by basically all darker metal bands regardless of their more specific value sets—is an enormously complex, subtle and rich space capturing a wide range of value sets and indeed possessing transformative capacity from more ‘poor’ value sets to more ‘enlightened’ value sets, as exemplified in the not-uncommon accounts of black metal listeners reporting Zen-like experiences of catharsis and transcendence. By the same token, surely aggressive music also has the capacity to impact one’s consciousness negatively, yet when academics debate whether or not metal can be linked to things like depression or delinquency rarely if ever do they distinguish between the various philosophical and spiritual impulses that profoundly characterize different types of metal.
It is no wonder these things are rarely talked about as, to recapitulate, humanity is terribly ignorant and divided about matters of the spirit. But it would be foolish to consider metal only in isolation from its deeper essence, considering the sheer power of music which begs to be better understood, respected and manipulated. Perhaps more than any other musical genre metal values authenticity, so when the musicians themselves frequently place great importance on aspects of philosophy, spirituality, religion or occultism incorporated into their art, are we to examine the matter further or rather take the genre to be something of a sham? Where a few minutes may be (well-)spent denouncing the mind-dumbing, spirit-numbing garbage generated in the mainstream music industry, entire evenings may be spent examining and arguing about the magic offered rather uniquely from metal. In fact entire symposiums were occupied with such discourse, Black Metal Theory symposiums which since 2009 represent an important foray into this area of thought.
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Chasm / Re: Yuletide!
« on: December 23, 2011, 05:27:38 PM »
After googling "wassail" it's this ceremony to give good health to trees so they can produce more cider next year, but your photo shows a tree cut down.. is this a phallus reference 'up the wassail', if so I'll try to put this out of its misery and add the mandatory comment "that yule burns"... I'm assuming a double-meaning there since yule's are fire wood in the fireplace, but that's a guess since I don't know these things about religious words and Christmas. Thank you, thank you everyone.
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Chasm / Re: Nothingness after death - As uncertain as afterlife
« on: December 23, 2011, 05:17:44 PM »
We know for certain there's no such thing as an omnipotent god, too bad Christians don't listen to me on that one, lol... omnipotence would by definition include the freedom of will to totally transcend the very identity which would wield the omnipotence in the first place, thus cancelling it out. Also we know time started at one place because if time ran both forwards and backwards that's impossible, so if the tail end at the beginning of time is not constantly regressing further back, then it must be static, in place at an original beginning (time is a PROCESS, you can't just say eternity magically goes backwards forever disappearing into 'infinity' that's a complete logical farce). I would argue a priori that therefore if something arose from nothing the only conclusion is ala Eastern spirituality that Emptiness is the fundamental nature of consciousness and existence. Once we have basic a priori truths like this then we can make deductions from them, the deductions may not be a priori per se but they're based on infallible premises so they are infallible themselves, that's how I know there's life after death for me (based on what I just said here plus more concepts and also based on my experiences combined).
If you are alive for literally forever after death, even potentially, then this tiny tiny life is the thing that becomes hardly important, and it's wise during this life to plan for the long-term; it's also wise to value this life and not be consumed by all-pervading ambitions and appointments, after all you will never be living your eternal existence except for a tiny sliver at a time every instant.
Is the question at all important? Does it have any implications for how we experience life?
If you are alive for literally forever after death, even potentially, then this tiny tiny life is the thing that becomes hardly important, and it's wise during this life to plan for the long-term; it's also wise to value this life and not be consumed by all-pervading ambitions and appointments, after all you will never be living your eternal existence except for a tiny sliver at a time every instant.
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Chasm / Re: Macrowar
« on: December 22, 2011, 05:43:12 PM »It is inevitable that the West will have to fight both Russia and China.
What do you mean, "fight"? Physically? Economically? Politically? Because unless the US wants a physical confrontation it would do well to refrain from adopting extremely antagonistic economic and political policies towards Russia and China (and no such policies would even have a chance of getting through the house and senate). China is in unprecedented territory with its dramatic economic rise and the growth of its middle class, while Russia is in unprecedented territory with its recent protests against election-rigging of over 50 thousand demonstrators; historical trends are quickly breaking down. In older times the single-pointed focus of war's instability may have perversely helped settle periods of general instability, but today weapons are much more powerful--just look at what brought an end to the second world war in Japan. Furthermore, I don't see how the US is in any position to wage any war on the magnitude you propose, be it physical, economic or political, as in fact its greatest enemy lies within and from the inside out has rendered it on the verge of total dysfunction. For any modern nation true, sustainable power has always arisen from internal strength in the form of tangible assets difficult to quickly reproduce elsewhere such as a highly-skilled workforce, a dynamic and innovative cultural mindset, a high level of technologicalization, etc, and beyond this I fail to see what kind of 'power' you're referring to that can be amassed from the spoils of some inevitable global confrontation.
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Chasm / Re: Sweet leaf
« on: December 16, 2011, 02:21:17 PM »
Dr. Gabor Maté has some very interesting views on addiction.
A reported approximately 60% cure rate for drug addicts can be had with the practice of Ayahusca (also a drug), unfortunately it gets very little press. Recently there was a good doc on the CBC about it.
A reported approximately 60% cure rate for drug addicts can be had with the practice of Ayahusca (also a drug), unfortunately it gets very little press. Recently there was a good doc on the CBC about it.
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Chasm / Re: It is possible to fight society
« on: December 10, 2011, 05:33:18 AM »
It's a good point, if one man can do so much towards nefarious ends, what could you or I do towards good ends? If a lie is big enough, the people will believe it. Unfortunately, the dynamic involved in deceit is one of imposing ignorance such that if you were to reveal the truth you would simultaneously reveal the deceit of your initial message and sacrifice your credibility. I say that society will take care of itself, it doesn't need our help to fail. But you and I don't have to live in that blaze, we can live in the ashes, like dust in the wind we an take care of ourselves and by looking to ourselves, you may find this tends to attract others to your cause rather like magic... not like these fucking charlatans who are the first to go down when the ship sinks... Just never forget to be true to yourself.
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Chasm / Why do we fight for what we fight for?
« on: December 10, 2011, 05:14:13 AM »
Let's assume for a second that what we fight for is logical in that it represents the best path forward for humanity - nihilism, conservatism, etc. Why do we fight for it? If we have it for ourselves that is one thing, but why do we wish to share it with others? Brotherhood? On what basis should we concern ourselves with others?