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Interzone / Re: Spiritualism
« on: September 16, 2013, 05:55:42 AM »
That's an amazing comment. Food for consideration.

Interzone / Re: Why are people afraid of nihilism?
« on: September 15, 2013, 11:26:47 PM »
Well, you'd have to define 'roles' I suppose.
People use the term for both the natural and the unnatural.
Who knows?

Interzone / Re: Spiritualism
« on: September 15, 2013, 08:42:19 PM »
I read a blog post, the other day, by a Christian, who informed me that Christians had decided how they wanted things to be, and so that was the way it was.
Even though what Christians wanted was absurd in the extreme, and bore no slight resemblance to the way things actually are.
That's often the result of religion.
And in that way, religion is quite similar to leftism.

Interzone / Re: cat's spirituality
« on: September 15, 2013, 08:39:23 PM »
humans > God (in their own estimation).
God doesn't give a toss, either way.

Interzone / Re: Origin of Universe
« on: September 15, 2013, 08:38:22 PM »
Humans often feel compelled to ask questions that need not be asked.
Therefore needing answers unnecessarily.
Much of their lives are sidetracked in this way, removing attention to the actuality of what is, in favour of why it is.
This would be fine, and quite useful, if humans had more self-control, but since they so often don't, it gets to be a huge and completely unnecessary problem.
This huge problem is known as 'science': the perversion of a useful human trait into their own undoing.

Interzone / Re: Baby boomer dictionary
« on: September 15, 2013, 08:32:20 PM »
Has anyone ever considered that Jesus might have been saying this:
When somebody roughs you up (by slapping your cheek), don't go running off crying, but rather be unmoved by it (by offering the other one).
i.e: What a pussy! Is that the best you got?

Interzone / Re: Origin of Universe
« on: September 14, 2013, 02:39:27 PM »
Reality is the whole universe, the way it works, the power, the danger, the miraculous, the glorious.
It can never be known, or understood. It is beyond control. It gives birth to all things.
There's a God worthy of the title.
I bow to it, willingly.
It owns me.

Interzone / Re: Unintentional metaphors for modernity
« on: September 14, 2013, 01:17:09 AM »
I mean to tell you that your comment amused me.
Hard to explain it, really. I either know something, or don't bother with it at all. I simply don't deal in theory.
The last line is what did it:
"The nihilist won't see it like that, but we can ignore their perceptions for now".
Whether you see it, or not, that is really funny.

Interzone / Re: Unintentional metaphors for modernity
« on: September 13, 2013, 11:57:29 PM »
I haven't lived in the theoretical continuum for so long, that when I see posts like that, I shake my head and smile.

Interzone / Re: Why are people afraid of nihilism?
« on: September 13, 2013, 07:01:13 PM »
Probably, the idea of a role is a disconnect between what somebody is, and the abstract label applied to that, by others.
I've heard feminists refer to being a man as acting out a role. Which seems so crazy that it is difficult to even respond to it.
Personally, I like the idea of roles, because they generally seem to work quite well.
My wife and I have distinct roles, and are comfortable with them. She does her stuff, and I do mine, and together, we get done what needs to get done.

Interzone / Re: Unintentional metaphors for modernity
« on: September 13, 2013, 06:56:33 PM »
I have to wonder: is a Nihilist something you really want to be?
I mean, it is a label, after all.
Might it not be a better idea to discover exactly what you are, and simply be that, compromising as little as possible, or not at all?

For a long time I thought of myself as a taoist, because that seemed the closest description of what I was.
But I had, at some point, to admit I was really not like anything else, and was, in fact, whatever I was.

Interzone / Re: An avian definition of Nihilism.
« on: September 13, 2013, 04:48:50 PM »

Nihilism probably naturally attracts loners and people with antisocial personalities. Rejecting the pressure to conform to arbitrary social standards, based on not much more than a fear of ostracization, is one of the prerequisites. Loners self ostracize anyway, so the original threat is meaningless. Antisocial types tend to be antagonistic enough to challenge things for the sake of the challenge alone.

What do you think about Marquis de Sade? Is he a nihilist? What about the Sophists in ancient Greece?

That's a very interesting and clear view of something quite difficult to understand (for me, anyway).
I was probably an unconscious Nihilist before I became whatever I am, now.
But without the destructive aspect, although it could be argued that I manifested that as self-destructiveness, as in a lashing-in at myself, rather than a lashing-out at society.

I don't know anything about the Sophists, but I have an altogether too-close association with De Sade, that has been a difficult facet of my own experience.

Interzone / Re: An avian definition of Nihilism.
« on: September 13, 2013, 04:37:56 PM »
To be perfectly honest, I havenÝt really thought about what it feels like, as much as I have been enjoying the sensation.

I don't now about 'being breathed' - but in a way, I guess you could call it that.

I'll try to describe it: It feels like a slow vibration within me. The vibration doesn't feel like me - but it doesn't feel like it's not me either - if that makes any sense?

My awarness can float freely around this vibration - and even 'see' it, or feel it in the world, in the swaying of trees, or the pulsing of traffic, or in the rythm of the way people walk. Also in the connection between the words and small movements of facial-muscles when people talk.

Words don't really do it justice - but it's real cool :)

It sounds a lot like the way I noticed feeling - and I identified it as being-breathed - very shortly before my experience of enlightenment. It was impossible to miss. A whole new dimension to the transparently automatic act of breathing.
I would say you are right, about being on the verge of something spectacular.
Here's something I discovered, unexpectedly, without which all would have been for nothing:
At the very brink, when you've taken yourself as far as you feel you can go, then give it up, retire, dispense with any desire to 'get somewhere'.

Shut down and vanish. Poof!

Interzone / Re: An avian definition of Nihilism.
« on: September 13, 2013, 03:48:29 AM »
This breathing: do you simply feel as if you are breathing, or rather that you are being breathed?

Interzone / Re: Why are people afraid of nihilism?
« on: September 13, 2013, 03:46:35 AM »
As soon as people get together and make the raw business of survival less than the most important thing, you have a society. For people to cooperate at all, there then have to be rules. The rules will always be unnatural, because they are no longer dealing with the purely natural business of raw survival.
Of course, it is a matter of degree.
It can start out well, work well for a long time, but finally, the number of people will reach a critical mass where it no longer works as it did.
Conservatism is a braking mechanism that reminds people of the hierarchies involved in a successful society.
It reminds that there are always consequences to everything.
A conservative society will in no way be perfect, but it will have the best chance of continuation for the longest period.
Conserve means exactly that. Eke out. Make last. Make do. Avoid excess and destruction.
As I said, no society lasts, but a conservative one will, by its nature, outlast the others.

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