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Interzone / Re: An avian definition of Nihilism.
« on: September 13, 2013, 09:37:56 AM »
To be perfectly honest, I havenÝt really thought about what it feels like, as much as I have been enjoying the sensation.

I don't now about 'being breathed' - but in a way, I guess you could call it that.

I'll try to describe it: It feels like a slow vibration within me. The vibration doesn't feel like me - but it doesn't feel like it's not me either - if that makes any sense?

My awarness can float freely around this vibration - and even 'see' it, or feel it in the world, in the swaying of trees, or the pulsing of traffic, or in the rythm of the way people walk. Also in the connection between the words and small movements of facial-muscles when people talk.

Words don't really do it justice - but it's real cool :)

It sounds a lot like the way I noticed feeling - and I identified it as being-breathed - very shortly before my experience of enlightenment. It was impossible to miss. A whole new dimension to the transparently automatic act of breathing.
I would say you are right, about being on the verge of something spectacular.
Here's something I discovered, unexpectedly, without which all would have been for nothing:
At the very brink, when you've taken yourself as far as you feel you can go, then give it up, retire, dispense with any desire to 'get somewhere'.

Shut down and vanish. Poof!

Interzone / Re: An avian definition of Nihilism.
« on: September 12, 2013, 08:48:29 PM »
This breathing: do you simply feel as if you are breathing, or rather that you are being breathed?

Interzone / Re: Why are people afraid of nihilism?
« on: September 12, 2013, 08:46:35 PM »
As soon as people get together and make the raw business of survival less than the most important thing, you have a society. For people to cooperate at all, there then have to be rules. The rules will always be unnatural, because they are no longer dealing with the purely natural business of raw survival.
Of course, it is a matter of degree.
It can start out well, work well for a long time, but finally, the number of people will reach a critical mass where it no longer works as it did.
Conservatism is a braking mechanism that reminds people of the hierarchies involved in a successful society.
It reminds that there are always consequences to everything.
A conservative society will in no way be perfect, but it will have the best chance of continuation for the longest period.
Conserve means exactly that. Eke out. Make last. Make do. Avoid excess and destruction.
As I said, no society lasts, but a conservative one will, by its nature, outlast the others.

Interzone / Re: An avian definition of Nihilism.
« on: September 11, 2013, 06:15:52 PM »
For humans to be fully human they need to achieve what no humans have yet achieved.

There are a few fully-human humans. They have achieved what the many never will.
Thus Plato's Cave anecdote. They are generally held to be idiots.

Interzone / Re: An avian definition of Nihilism.
« on: September 11, 2013, 06:12:47 PM »
What would you say if I told you that knowing 'stuff' is as limited as a child's tricycle?
How much 'stuff' do you think you can know?
What if you had access to not just knowing 'stuff', but to Knowing? Everything?

The Garden of Eden. The Tree of Knowledge. That's where it all is. just waiting for you to find a way back in to The Garden.

No society is going to provide you with that information, because no society has it.
If it did, it wouldn't be something so Rube Goldberg jury-rigged as a society.
If society has any real value - and of course, it does - then it is more like a consolation prize.

Interzone / Re: Concerning Cavemen...
« on: September 11, 2013, 05:57:51 PM »
When do the caves end?

And what lies beyond?

The caves, themselves, are infinite. We see them as caves because we see ourselves as separate.
We can, with considerable difficulty, become both the caves and their contents, and so there is no beyond. And no end.

Climbing into the earth is what caves are about.
Being one with it.

Interzone / Re: Concerning Cavemen...
« on: September 11, 2013, 05:53:37 PM »
Being one of the "fellow prisoners" is one of my greatest fears.

Being one, or remaining one?

Interzone / Concerning Cavemen...
« on: September 11, 2013, 04:58:34 PM »
I myself am a caveman. Or at least, I have been.
Maybe it's partisan, but I like to think I was a civilized one, though.
But 'civilized' is a word, like any other loaded term, that means different things to different people.
On the one hand, it is about the highest state a human can aspire to, yet on the other, it has very little to recommend it.
It was suggested, moments ago, that cavemen have their uses, and this is true.
Caves would suffer the depredations of all kinds of critters and creepy-crawlies, were it not for the domestic instincts of cavemen (and cavewomen). They even inspire cavemen to resort to art, to while away those dreary ice-ages.
Out of caves come civilized humans.

Caves are quiet, dank places of reflection and contemplation. They embody nature, and its permanence.
They enfold, like a chilly womb. They provide shelter and safety, or at least the illusion of it.

I often look up at the night sky, and see it as a vast cave in which everything lives.
Once, it might have scared me. But now, I feel only wonder, and safety.

Interzone / Re: An avian definition of Nihilism.
« on: September 11, 2013, 04:43:23 PM »
Any society. So far. That is why none last.
As soon as the social displaces the natural, the seeds of demise are sown.
It may take centuries, or it may take years, but the result is always the same.
Losing touch with the business of survival as Number One is the biggest of big mistakes.

Interzone / Re: An avian definition of Nihilism.
« on: September 11, 2013, 03:16:20 PM »
You and I really must have an in-depth conversation, one day.
I wonder what steroids your soul is on, to result in the results we see.
You are positively rare.

Interzone / Re: The secret
« on: September 11, 2013, 03:14:28 PM »
Misguided, might be a good synonym, here.
Viewing oneself as a 'master' is replete with potential dangers such as this.
As is viewing anyone else as a 'master'.
Yet masters exist, and manifest mastery. The necessary key ingredient of which is responsibility.
Telling anyone to hang by their teeth over a chasm, no matter the reason, is hardly responsible.

Interzone / Re: Origin of Universe
« on: September 11, 2013, 03:05:52 PM »
Yay! Verse One: taoteching. Love it :)

Interzone / Re: Concerning amerika.org...
« on: September 11, 2013, 03:04:17 PM »
No. This place is a good place, a useful place, a worthwhile place. It has its value, as many know.
It is not the place, but the attitudes of a few, that I refer to, whenever I refer to that.

Interzone / An avian definition of Nihilism.
« on: September 11, 2013, 03:00:25 PM »
From the perspective of a crow, Nihilism is thus:

The realization that just about every viewpoint a human has, about the way things are, is completely arbitrary, and hence suspicious.
Society, and its rules, are arbitrary. They have no basis in reality.
Civilization, itself, is arbitrary. It is a group of people agreeing to behave in certain ways, so that they are all on the same page.
Not much of this social interaction is truth. It is almost all made-up, by crazies who like their own ways of seeing life, as opposed to understanding what life actually is.
Therefore, Nihilism is a good starting point to discover the truth of things, and a baseline from which to sortie outwards in the exploration of - and search for - reality.

On the other hand, Nihilism is not:
Behaving like a devil-worshipping, disgusting, scurrilous cannibal, in order to show others what a brilliant and irreverent rebel one is.

This is not a widely-held, or popular definition of what Nihilism is, but rather what a crow makes of it, from the limited exposure a crow has, to such things.
Do feel free to correct or modify this description, to explain your own ideas on Nihilism.

Interzone / Re: The secret
« on: September 11, 2013, 02:40:55 PM »
Spite ? ? ?
Where did that come from?

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