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Messages - BillHopkins

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I don't think that christianity is nothing more than slave morality. But if you are into Nietzsche's will to power as a philosophical idea, then all 'religion', or spirituality, becomes...art, if you will. Art created by an organism with a specific form of life, which would take a different form if the organism was different, i.e. placed differently in the whole.

But, like you ask, what really is transcendence then. It is certainly not what Perennialists take it to be, metaphysically speaking. It still might be valuable, however.

(Note: this is not to reduce Nietzsche to a post-modernist philosopher. Nietzsche was, in my opnion, definetely a quasi-essentialist thinker. He wasn't an existensialist, believing that 'exstence preceeds essence' (i.e. a non-essentialist). Something preceeds existence for N: something grounds man and man bumps up and measures himself against something. However, the 'essence' for N is the will to power. Something we cannot know in advance, and so unlike a clearly existing anthropomorphic 'God'. The will to power is a field of force of shifting relations, based on turmoil, conflict, violence and becoming. (perhaps not unlike the view modern physicists hold? Another quesiton altogether).

Interzone / Re: Post-Modernism
« on: May 29, 2012, 09:25:42 AM »
I found the speech very interesting.

It is unfortunate that someone who can find higher meaning and spiritual value in the most mundane tasks could not rise above clinical depression. I suppose it is a complex issue, and the medication could have even played a role, but I thought finding that spiritual insight would provide some level of peace?

There is a chemical component, relating to neurotransmitters and receptors. If your serotonin receptors have shrunk to the size of David Vincent's johnson, then your going to struggle to get a kick out of life no matter what shit your into. You're not completely into the scientology 'psychology is simply psuedo-science' I hope?!

Interzone / Re: Re-issues are d-bag
« on: May 29, 2012, 09:23:14 AM »
Why re-issues are douchebag:


As usual, the damned bonus live tracks to fuck up the reissue!!
I hate it!!!!

Nothing like hearing an album and then getting subjected to the SAME tracks in demo or live format, e.g. crappier and redundant.

It's better to just put out a 2CD set of complete demos & live so that it forms a unique listening experience.


"Re-mastering" that consists of loading it into Pro-Tools and wringing it louder with compression.


Apologetic liner notes and goofy pictures which totally ruin the mood. Save these for books like Murder in the Front Row or Glorious Times.


I'm no communist, but it seems to me that after the label has made its profit on the first run, the artist should get a bigger cut and the price should go down. Oddly it seems like the converse is true.


Agreed. Fuck the badly recorded live tracks and stupid pictures (re-issues of Morbid Angel's first two albums immediately come to mind). Re mastering can be OK, depending on how necro the original recording was if this worked or not.

I've wondered about this. It's a real bonding thing nowasays to pout your lips with someone else or to strike a ghetto pose and generally be foolish for a photo. God works in mysterious ways!

Interzone / Re: The icy winds of black metal's logic
« on: May 28, 2012, 08:22:58 PM »
That's alright I might have missed the point. I thought you were making comparisons between LHP and RHP, i just didn't get it, and i wanted to.

Nature, mystery, ethnic solidarity, will to power - revering these things is revering God.  Metal is a different conception of God.

Nietzsche's idea of 'the will to power' formed the basis of his 'metaphysics' or ontology (view about what exists).

A big part of this theory was applied by Nietzsche to come to the idea that your morality, aesthetic tastes, and those parts of realty you decide to pick out and call truths at the expense of other aspects (this isn't relativism, it's perspectivalism) are a reflection of your dialectical position in the whole... your will to power.

Weak people choose chritianity because it advocates love and compassion for the weak (antichrist)
Human beings like tragic art such as Beethoven or greek plays because it stimulates the will in the face of nihilsim and meaininglessness of life (birth of tragedy)
People who don't have much virility becomes scientists because they feel more comfortable being 'objective' and simply acting as passive mirror on reality than as a 'first cause' (beyond good & Evil)

How, then, do you reconcile the will to power with 'God', the latter being a notion that refers to something fixed, timeless and trascendent? 'God', for Nietzsche, must be a product of the will to power. God, then, must be an idea that reflects the position of a certain organism in the whole, for dialectical purposes. (This is not to discount the concept of 'God'. I'm not suggesting God is purely an invention of weak people, there are other dialectical uses of God no doubt: transcendence, purpose, political reasons. I'm suggesting God is purely an invention of a certian kind of organism, and that if we had been a different kind or organism, then we would have a different conception of God, or no conception at all).

Metal / Re: Biases and music appreciation
« on: May 28, 2012, 07:56:03 PM »
What do you mean 'biased' in what music you listen to.

Everyone is 'biased' in so much as the sort of music they like refelcts their place in the world, not some 'right choice'.

Interzone / Re: Post-Modernism
« on: May 28, 2012, 06:45:19 PM »
This is, basically, an arts college commencement speech given in 2005 about the real virtue of a humanities education.

Last effort to bump!


If you really learn how to think, how to pay attention, then you will know there are other options. It will actually be within your power to experience a crowded, hot, slow, consumer-hell type situation as not only meaningful, but sacred. On fire with the same force that lit the stars.

You get to consciously decide what has meaning and what doesn't. You get to decide what to worship. In the day to day trenches of adult life, there is no such thing as atheism. There is no such thing as not worshipping. The only choice we get is what to worship.

The compelling reason for maybe choosing some sort of God or spiritual type thing to worship, is that pretty much anything else you worship will eat you alive.

The really importance kind of freedom involves attention and awareness and discipline, and being able truly to care about other people and to sacrifice for them over and over in myriad petty, unsexy ways every day

Interzone / Re: Metal and traditionalism?
« on: May 28, 2012, 10:54:03 AM »
Right, but apart from your family history you cited only three bands. Mostly NS bands who are not quite representative of metal you would have to admit. I can see how your argument works on the back of NS bands, but lets not take black metal with national socialist tinges as the culmination and 'true' representation of all Metal, please. Beherit, it's arguable whether they were, in fact, a reactionary band. There are, certainly, elements of embracing something spiritual at the end of their anti-christianity/'paganism'.

Metal can easily be seen as a rebellious movement, a reactionary movement. It's pretty obvious, at least prima facie. Satanism as a reaction against chritianity, 'Anti-god' rehtoric as a reaction to the authority of the day. There are many ways to see metal as a liberationist movement, arguiable more so than there are ways to view it is as a perennial movement. As, largely, seeking to throw off authority (a point of trascendence), not to embrace it.

Immolation, Deicide, Slayer, suffocation, mayhem are some that come to mind on the other side of the argument, just to start.

Nature, mystery, ethnic solidarity, will to power - revering these things is revering God.  Metal is a different conception of God.

It depends what you mean by God. Certainly not the god of the new testament.

I'm talking mainly on the level of lyrics and overt symbolism. The composition/structure of the music might be a different story. I'm not sold on the issue, i'm interested in counter arguments.

Interzone / Metal and traditionalism?
« on: May 28, 2012, 12:43:13 AM »
Anothing thing I don't get about you traditionalist 'nihilists' is how your reconcile metal with traditionalism/perennialism.

Metal (black/death) is overtly Satanic. Most death metal bands you listen to hate God, and even get into rather new-atheist sounding arguments about all the 'lies' 'suffering' and 'shallowness'.

Some black metal bands might come close to constructing, rather than deconstructing. But even then it is rarely all about allegiance to something more trascendent than nature, mystery, ethnic solidarity, and the will to power (i.e. points of trascendence open to naturalists, atheists, libertarians, etc). Maybe i'm setting up a straw man. The argument, then, would be against traditionalists claiming metal 'as their own' as opposed to metal simply being compatible with traditionalism.

Perhaps the question is whether metal is incompatible with liberalism?

Interzone / Re: Post-Modernism
« on: May 28, 2012, 12:31:12 AM »
Doesn't anyone have anything interesing to contribute to a brother with a point? Where is the love? These forums are getting boring.

If Conservationsist isn't around and doing his usual 'post 3 lines of polemic stuff  that will at least get some talking going due to the shock value', and if we're not talking about jews or killing people, there really isn't much substance anymore, give or take a few examples.

Mann up!

Interzone / Re: The good/freedom distinction
« on: May 28, 2012, 12:24:41 AM »
Even liberalism, when pushed hard, has to fall back on a conception of 'the good', or it makes no sense philosophically.

People who think you can dance around the task of taking a stand are playing post-modern games, (and on a practical level will eventually be rooted out by stronger groups who don't)

Interzone / Re: The icy winds of black metal's logic
« on: May 28, 2012, 12:22:37 AM »
I don't understand your comparison of LHP and RHP. What is your contention? If i know this I might be able to understand the argument

Metal / Re: Sorcier Des Glaces Snowland MMXII teaser
« on: May 25, 2012, 08:52:39 AM »

This project has been busy. An EP out in April called 'Monuments Anciens', another new album due in June, along with Snowland MMXIII end of May.

Metal / Re: National Day of Slayer
« on: May 24, 2012, 08:18:31 PM »
Get involved! Get on facebook, upload one of the flyers to your wall and tag every mother. I hope the website will be updated!

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