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Metal / Re: Corporation pull-in
« on: April 30, 2012, 12:33:35 AM »
Roadrunner, and more generally big record labels in general have been irrelevant since the beginning of the millennium, and their current lineup is essentially harmless. The more successful bands on that roster should go as independent as possible to hasten its death. That being said, they did release some good albums in their time.

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Metal / Re: Old Emperor, Dimmu Borgir, Satyricon, and Kvist.
« on: April 29, 2012, 01:02:11 AM »
Even ITNE is an incredibly bestial album; it just gets its reputation because people hear keyboards (and sung vocals on "Inno a Satana") and instantly think of bands like Summoning-

Having listened only to Minas Morgul, I can say that at least on said album, Summoning has some very aggressive moments - see the end of "Marching Homewards" for a more obvious example.

Anyways, since the thread's been necroed, some thoughts:
- Satyricon really doesn't do it for me. "Dark Medieval Times" has an interesting production and some atmospheric sounds, but the composition really falters when placed up against something like ITNE; it feels too random.
- Having listened to a lot of 'symphonic metal' bands, I can say that when artists bring in the orchestration, the metal invariably gets simplified. Sometimes the effect is drastic, compare "Beyond Sanctorum" to "Theli". One could argue arrangements for many instruments require less complexity per instrument to achieve the overall same effect, but arguing how technical music should be in general is a dead end.
- Since classical technique and metal aren't exactly compatible (the need for constant drumming has not been completely absolved, even by black metal), one route may be to research and develop new techniques for Western instruments to incorporate them more effectively into metal. See At The Gates' debut for an example of violin - while there are some classical style passages, there's a tinge of medievalish folk - for instance, the short piece at the end of the title track - that significantly increases the usefulness of the instrument on the album.

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If you guys are considering modding a 4X for Hessian purposes, you should consider using something like Freeciv, as the open source nature would make modifications and total conversions easier, and the community might be more open to it. Also, for a tech tree, I would recommend starting not with early metal proper, but with important musical aspects coming from metal's influences, like classical and folk music, and (if the tech tree becomes especially lengthy) technologies powering the instruments.

My era suggestions:
Ancient Times - Everything up to 1984, when many evolutionary works were released
Middle Ages - 1984-1988/1989, or whenever it's felt that death metal and black metal properly split
Industrial Age - Late 1980s to 1995, the end of the 'golden age' of death/black.
Modern Times - Further developments, like ambient/martial styles of music.


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Metal / Re: Septic Flesh
« on: April 22, 2012, 03:37:50 AM »
When it comes to Septic Flesh, you should note that there is a gradual, but significant trend towards mainstream interest starting, if not on Esoptron, at least on Ophidian Wheel. By my standards, this only really became detrimental to the songwriting after the two aforementioned albums. Even on their lauded return to form (2003's "Sumerian Daemons") and recent works, structures and writing have become simpler, more rock-like. The band's main strength appears to be in the construction of simple, but powerful riffs and leads, which probably gives their pop music period an advantage over the CoF/DB school of symphonic metal.

Personally, I'd put post-1997 Septic Flesh on the level of later Therion - obviously diminished in comparison to their earlier works, but with good levels of musicality and some moments of transcendence. Definitely appealing to novices, and fans of symphonic metal, but rather predictable, and with limited shelf life. Then again, I have a very high tolerance for theater and cheese in my music.

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Metal / Re: Happy "Onward to Golgotha" day!
« on: April 04, 2012, 02:41:30 AM »
My ability to appreciate "Onward to Golgotha" has grown with time. The main issue I had with it in the past was that it felt very abstract and 'dry' compared to contemporaneous recordings like Legion, Dawn of Possession, or Effigy of the Forgotten. Nowadays, I am partially able to appreciate some of the more visceral elements, and it may grow further on me given a few years. The current track of greatest interest is "Christening the Afterbirth", which impresses me with how colossal an effect the slow section in the middle can create with so few notes. 

I would probably follow it up with something that puts me in mind of romanticism; In the Nightside Eclipse, or other black metal of similar quality and ideology seems to fit.

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