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Interzone / Re: The hard question
« on: February 22, 2014, 04:30:19 PM »
Pure Fucking Armageddon, that is what. Guillotines, mass graves,   live hard, die hard, fuck hard, and general anarchy from which order would inevitably emerge and sort itself out.

But sure, there are practical things we could be doing, such as inspiring everyone to think and be alive, instead of leading them, with entertainment and Big Macs, into existing as impotent zombie hordes.

Interzone / Re: a small ponderance
« on: September 17, 2012, 11:03:39 AM »
Of course we would call it something different, then people would think they were in actuality not plantations at all.

Metal / Ainulindale
« on: August 30, 2012, 04:57:57 PM »
The Silmarillion, by JRR Tolkien


(The Music of the Ainur)
There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is called Ilúvatar; and he made first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, that were the offspring of his thought, and they were with him before aught else was made. And he spoke to them, propounding to them themes of music; and they sang before him, and he was glad. But for a long while they sang only each alone, or but few together, while the rest hearkened; for each comprehended only that part of me mind of Ilúvatar from which he came, and in the understanding of their brethren they grew but slowly. Yet ever as they listened they came to deeper understanding, and increased in unison and harmony.

And it came to pass that Ilúvatar called together all the Ainur and declared to them a mighty theme, unfolding to them things greater and more wonderful than he had yet revealed; and the glory of its beginning and the splendour of its end amazed the Ainur, so that they bowed before Ilúvatar and were silent.
Then Ilúvatar said to them: 'Of the theme that I have declared to you, I will now that ye make in harmony together a Great Music. And since I have kindled you with the Flame Imperishable, ye shall show forth your powers in adorning this theme, each with his own thoughts and devices, if he will. But I win sit and hearken, and be glad that through you great beauty has been wakened into song.'

Then the voices of the Ainur, like unto harps and lutes, and pipes and trumpets, and viols and organs, and like unto countless choirs singing with words, began to fashion the theme of Ilúvatar to a great music; and a sound arose of endless interchanging melodies woven in harmony that passed beyond hearing into the depths and into the heights, and the places of the dwelling of Ilúvatar were filled to overflowing, and the music and the echo of the music went out into the Void, and it was not void. Never since have the Ainur made any music like to this music, though it has been said that a greater still shall be made before Ilúvatar by the choirs of the Ainur and the Children of Ilúvatar after the end of days. Then the themes of Ilúvatar shall be played aright, and take Being in the moment of their utterance, for all shall then understand fully his intent in their part, and each shall know the comprehension of each, and Ilúvatar shall give to their thoughts the secret fire, being well pleased.

But now Ilúvatar sat and hearkened, and for a great while it seemed good to him, for in the music there were no flaws. But as the theme progressed, it came into the heart of Melkor to interweave matters of his own imagining that were not in accord with the theme of Ilúvatar, for he sought therein to increase the power and glory of the part assigned to himself. To Melkor among the Ainur had been given the greatest gifts of power and knowledge, and he had a share in all the gifts of his brethren. He had gone often alone into the void places seeking the Imperishable Flame; for desire grew hot within him to bring into Being things of his own, and it seemed to him that Ilúvatar took no thought for the Void, and he was impatient of its emptiness. Yet he found not the Fire, for it is with Ilúvatar. But being alone he had begun to conceive thoughts of his own unlike those of his brethren.

Some of these thoughts he now wove into his music, and straightway discord arose about him, and many that sang nigh him grew despondent, and their thought was disturbed and their music faltered; but some began to attune their music to his rather than to the thought which they had at first. Then the discord of Melkor spread ever wider, and the melodies which had been heard before foundered in a sea of turbulent sound. But Ilúvatar sat and hearkened until it seemed that about his throne there was a raging storm, as of dark waters that made war one upon another in an endless wrath that would not be assuaged.

Then Ilúvatar arose, and the Ainur perceived that he smiled; and he lifted up his left hand, and a new theme began amid the storm, like and yet unlike to the former theme, and it gathered power and had new beauty. But the discord of Melkor rose in uproar and contended with it, and again there was a war of sound more violent than before, until many of the Ainur were dismayed and sang no longer, and Melkor had the mastery. Then again Ilúvatar arose, and the Ainur perceived that his countenance was stern; and he lifted up his right hand, and behold! a third theme grew amid the confusion, and it was unlike the others. For it seemed at first soft and sweet, a mere rippling of gentle sounds in delicate melodies; but it could not be quenched, and it took to itself power and profundity. And it seemed at last that there were two musics progressing at one time before the seat of Ilúvatar, and they were utterly at variance. The one was deep and wide and beautiful, but slow and blended with an immeasurable sorrow, from which its beauty chiefly came. The other had now achieved a unity of its own; but it was loud, and vain, and endlessly repeated; and it had little harmony, but rather a clamorous unison as of many trumpets braying upon a few notes. And it essayed to drown the other music by the violence of its voice, but it seemed that its most triumphant notes were taken by the other and woven into its own solemn pattern.

In the midst of this strife, whereat the halls of Ilúvatar shook and a tremor ran out into the silences yet unmoved, Ilúvatar arose a third time, and his face was terrible to behold. Then he raised up both his hands, and in one chord, deeper than the Abyss, higher than the Firmament, piercing as the light of the eye of Ilúvatar, the Music ceased.

Has a decent attempt at the Ainulindale ever been recorded? Symphonic Black Metal comes to mind when reading about the third theme. I'm curious if any Tolkien readers are reminded of the Ainulindale by any albums or songs, be they metal it classical. Is extreme metal the only kind of music capable of conveying the greatest beauty and destruction at once together, as two necessary parts of a whole?

Interzone / Re: Journalism is pure entertainment product
« on: August 19, 2012, 02:49:48 PM »
I wonder if the people who distrust those major news outlets have sought out alternative sources on the internet.

Interzone / Re: Liberalism
« on: August 19, 2012, 02:28:55 PM »
On the coast, it’s politically incorrect to talk of illegal immigration. In the interior, residents see first-hand the bankrupting effects on schools, courts, and health care when millions arrive illegally without English-language fluency or a high-school diploma — and send back billions of dollars in remittances to Mexico and other Latin American countries.

Besides the illegals sending most of their paycheck back to Mexico, the sense of community in the small rural towns of this area has been lost, as Mexican immigrants have come to dominate here over the past few decades. 

The Mexicans argue that illegal workers are necessary because no white men will do the farm labor or wash the dishes. This is, of course, absurd. 

Interzone / Re: New Layout
« on: August 17, 2012, 12:18:00 PM »
It's just you.

Metal / Re: Art (abstract)
« on: August 14, 2012, 12:56:38 PM »
Art, excluding maybe the written kind, has the ability to convey something that seems to be greater than, and beyond the conscious reach of an artist. I don't necessarily think that the artist as acting as a channel from some infinite source, so much as our language has it's limitations. The artist knows something that transcends this language, something that demands to be communicated by artistic means, although the source of this is unknowable IMO.

Metal / Re: Extreme metal: An evolution?
« on: August 14, 2012, 12:47:05 PM »
Considering the title "Extreme Metal: An Evolution?", may I ask what, if anything, you had in mind but did not say?

Interzone / Re: Alien Invasion: Already here?
« on: August 14, 2012, 12:27:40 PM »

This guy is really intelligent. It seems the asian race is the master race, not the white one.

Of course he is, but by "Asian race" do you mean the Japanese?

Metal / Re: Rearranging the track list of AoM and BatS
« on: August 13, 2012, 01:06:57 AM »
Although AoM has a few songs that are stronger than most of the individual tracks on BaTS, it's whole does not surpass the sum of it's parts in the way that BatS does. That is why I wouldn't touch BatS, even to add a couple tracks from Altars. If you had asked this question 18 years ago, I suppose Chapel of Ghouls and Immortal Rites could have been folded into the album somewhere between Fall From Grace and Abominations. A single track from Covenant deserves inclusion too.

Interzone / Re: Emotional intelligence
« on: August 12, 2012, 07:45:51 PM »
I wonder if you have it backwards.

Is someone with emotional maturity (or EQ, as described by that article) and an average IQ more likely productive and capable than a guy with an IQ of 127 who has an inability to cope with stress, or other emotional problem?

My relatively limited experience tells me the answer is yes.

Interzone / Re: Celebrate neurodiversity
« on: August 06, 2012, 11:01:07 PM »
I thought it made a lot of sense until this point:
Despite Principles 3 and 4, however, it's true that we don’t live in other places or times, consequently the immediate need is to adapt to our current contemporary culture.  This means that a dyslexic person needs to learn how to read, an autistic individual needs to learn how to relate to others socially, a schizophrenic individual needs to think more rationally and so forth.  Tools such as psychoactive medication or intensive remediation programs can help achieve these aims. 

Treat, but do not diagnose?

And why, essentially, has a nice bronze tan been compared with schizophrenia? Is he stupid enough to believe this, or only hoping the readers are? I suspect the latter, added in with an attempt to appeal to anyone who is afraid of being perceived as racist.

Interzone / Re: Intelligence
« on: August 03, 2012, 03:19:06 PM »
Molestation can destroy a child when his/her family is apathetic to it, and the child realizes he is of no worth to them. This could be difficult to overcome in adulthood. A person in this position might have a high IQ, or artistic ability and still be unable to function at an average level.

Interzone / Re: Why is this place a lurker's haven?
« on: July 28, 2012, 11:10:09 PM »
There are interesting conversations to read here, and some lurkers share similar views to you about civilization and metal. Some of us might be too ignorant to have anything worth contributing though, so we lurk. I just logged in to post this. I know a guy who reads all of the anus reviews, and lurks this forum. Several times he has asked me to post mediafire requests, because he doesn't want to register. I guess you are free to interpret his refusal however you like, but I have figured that it is because, although he thinks highly of the metal content, he strongly disagrees with some of the prevalent philosophy at this site.

Metal / Re: A-list metal
« on: June 24, 2012, 12:01:48 AM »
This isn't a challenge, so much as a genuine inquiry.

Would someone explain how Merciless fits into the proto-underground category? 

On the surface, and I haven't listened to them extensively, they don't seem to fit there.

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