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Interzone / Re: Praising Murderers
« on: January 09, 2011, 04:08:40 AM »
I don't see much use in praising or blaming them.

how about something like: they are both a product of and response to their society(?).

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Interzone / Re: Militarism, Masculinity, Metalheads
« on: December 20, 2010, 07:38:23 AM »
You can do all the studying, meditating, practice, and LARPing you want but it doesn't mean a goddamn thing until you put your ass on the line. The reasons are irrelevant. That's all I've got to say, faggots. ;)

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Metal / Re: Long Hair in metal.
« on: December 20, 2010, 07:06:06 AM »
if you're a diehard then go for it, just don't expect anyone to like you for it, especially the opposite sex. rofl

if you think you look like a brainless kid (you do) and/or if you are heterosexual male over the age of 23 you might consider some level of grooming depending on your aspirations.

attitude optional.

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Metal / Re: New Burzum album info
« on: February 06, 2010, 08:19:05 AM »
Our expectations were set by his earlier works.

Same thing with Immolation.

People criticize ANUS for over-praising wins like BEHERIT "Engram" or ASPHYX "Death the Brutal Way" or even PROFANATICA "Profanatitas de Domonatia" but the flip side of that is that they over-sodomize fails, including Pink Frothy AIDS and the new BURZUM.

agreed. New Beherit and new Burzum are probably, on an artistic and musical level, roughly on the same level. :)

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Interzone / Re: Career choices...
« on: December 27, 2009, 06:37:35 PM »
Or take it further: you end up running Microsoft. After a dozen years of bullshit -- which you will face at any job, because this is how careers are made -- you get the power to make a better operating system, smarter software, etc.

Or even stop Microsoft from donating cash to help the clueless breed more.

That's more effective than being one lone dude hoping others will notice how virtuous you are, and being effective is all that matters.

The corruption of being the lone dude is that you end up doing it for yourself, and because you're ineffective, rationalizing that into a kind of mentally corrupting moral superiority, like false elitism.

You're absolutely correct about the loner but I think you're putting the cart before the horse with regards to how one pursues power. If you want to succeed in a profession you have to be 100% about it. If your principal incentive for becoming a professional is an ulterior motive (like saving the world) you will fail. If you wanna run Microsoft because you wanna make it more ethical you will fail at both. The guy who runs Microsoft is that guy because he wants to run Microsoft.

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Metal / Re: Fully understanding metal
« on: December 13, 2009, 07:03:26 AM »
Don't try too hard. It's not for everybody. I took an instant liking to almost all the classic Norwegian albums (Ildjarn is a notable exception). I had to acquire an ear for some bands or albums (e.g., Bathory, De Mysteriis dom Sathanas, Sacramentum, The Celtic Winter, the aforementioned Ildjarn, etc). Also, although I discovered death metal about almost a year earlier it took me awhile to appreciate most of the classics of the genre. Of these (i.e., some black metal classics, most death metal classics) I still don't enjoy on the same level as the stuff I was immediately drawn to. Judging by your stated preferences you'll come to appreciate stuff like Transilvanian Hunger and In the Nightside Eclipse (two of the three most important black metal albums, imho) but you'll likely have to be in the right state of mind for it.

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Metal / Re: The Top Five Most Metal Pieces of Classical Music
« on: December 10, 2009, 06:39:20 AM »
Hah, damn right Beethoven's 7th Symphony is metal!  That movement in particular is absolutely haunting, it's like wandering through the very backbones and corridors of eternity itself, in ego-destroying reverence.

It reminds me of Achilles or Sigurd. I think I once read the Allegreto (2nd movement) described as a 'distillation of the heroic pathos.'

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Metal / Re: Metal shams
« on: December 04, 2009, 08:26:59 AM »
Falsehood is too broad a concept to discuss in concrete terms. As mentioned, it doesn't make a lot of sense to include "poser" and "sellout" acts because 1) there's so many examples, 2) they're easy to identify, and 3) they've been discussed to death (i.e., they're obvious). It's more productive perhaps to zero in on the "charlatan" acts: those guys who are trying to pull the wool over our eyes. The guys that always seem to have some niche identity, some marketing angle, some gimmick, and they're trying hard to convince us they're profound by doing something that we're supposed to believe is both(!) progressive ("cutting edge; pushing the genre forward") and traditional ("True to the spirit and ideals of ___ metal"). They might feign an orthodox attitude and beliefs but they're also, y'know, really on to something and have some special knowledge or insight which you can't miss out on, etc. They play this game because it affords them a wider demographic.

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Interzone / Re: Militarism, Masculinity, Metalheads
« on: December 02, 2009, 08:59:55 AM »
a. Good points. My critique of the army as an institution still stands, however, and if you think the benefits of joining outweigh all the other crap, that is obviously your choice.  From what I know about Aristotle's character ethics, whose basic premise i admire, is that Aristotle believed character mostly to be developed in childhood and through good parenting. I knew someone who fought in the Canadian forces and he was a complete failure in many respects so there is no necessary comnection between knowing how to hold a rifle and being a superior human being. From what Ive heard about war psychoogy: after the second world war when boot camp was introduced, the shoot to kill rate among soldiers sky-rocketed by the time of Vietnam. Never forget that the military exists to brainwash you not educate you.
b. You would have to justify that conclusion in more detail for me to respond.
c. I'm a generalist not a specialist. As Goethe said of language: he who knows one, knows none. I count nationalists who've never lived i another country as some of the dumbest people around.

a. the other crap being political in nature? or are you categorically opposed to authoritarian institutions? You're incorrect about Aristotle although I used him only because he represents a pre-modern and anti-individualistic view on socialization and character development. Also, Canada is a terrible example in a discussion about the military.
b. it should be obvious why traditional martial arts are totally impractical. the merits of Western v. Eastern philosophy is outside the scope of this debate but...
c. we're not talking about a narrow discipline here, we're talking about Western and Eastern culture. i think dabbling in eastern philosophy is counterproductive without a mastery of western philosophy because it is more familiar and addresses ideas more immediately applicable to western man. personally, the people I've known who study outside cultures to the exclusion of their own culture are either insincere or have identity issues. it's a form of cultural appropriation and inauthenticity.

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Metal / Re: [META] Best metal 1999-2009
« on: November 29, 2009, 08:56:43 PM »
Metal people resent it when bands are indecisive, sit the fence, and are in general evasive about how they feel about certain taboo ideas. When an artist declares themselves to be indifferent towards an important social issue many will infer that it's simply posturing on their part for the sake of public relations. We detest apologizers and excuse-makers in the genre. Artists receive more respect if they openly refuse to condemn heretical ideologies or antisocial acts while not supporting them.

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Interzone / Re: Subjectivity and Richard Rorty
« on: November 28, 2009, 10:06:52 AM »
Mr. Richard Rorty claims:
“Truth cannot be out there―cannot exist independently of the human mind―because sentences cannot so exist, or be out there. The world is out there, but descriptions of the world are not. Only descriptions of the world can be true or false. The world on its own―unaided by the describing activities of humans―cannot “.
Possible counter-claim:
According to this sentence truth is untrue if it is a human descriptive interpretation. And yet this sentence, that depicts an external mind-independent reality, is supposedly true.

You're actually not contradicting him. He's just reiterating what N said 100 years earlier, "truth is falsehood." Truth is the correspondence between the world out there and our descriptions of it and outside of this relationship has no meaning. The distinction between truth and falsehood, or subject and object, falls away when you're engaged with the world independent of our minds.

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Metal / Re: [META] New Burzum album info
« on: November 25, 2009, 01:14:34 AM »
A little defensive aren't we?
Lies were told and implications were made that were not true; responses occur.

Your message doesn't state your intent clearly. You object to some links on the bottom of the page?

I'm not in the mood for fencing so I'll continue. In addition to being a website for the study of Burzum, its declared intent, the late burzum.com also functioned more or less as an anus.com adjunct. That might not have been a conscious intention but that is how the website looks and reads. Whether or not it was 'directly associated' with that network of content and its authors I won't bother quibbling over. I'm not even sure why there's such an aggressive interest in disassociating the two.

Why the links? Preliminary evidence. I don't object to the links. Vikernes might. I like those websites for what they're worth (i.e., exposition, supplementary material). I speculate, however, that the man behind Burzum would object to the links and perhaps more importantly some of the overlapping content which they and burzum.com share. I made an educated guess as to what specific problems Vikernes would have with the new website giving him the benefit of the doubt for argument's sake. I would have liked to see burzum.com receive official support because I think they would do a better job. Clear enough?

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Metal / Re: [META] New Burzum album info
« on: November 24, 2009, 07:07:22 PM »
The site exists to promote Burzum and its ideas but it also exists to promote something else.

And what might that be?

well, for starters:

http://www.churcharson.com/
http://www.hessian.org/
http://www.lostwisdom.com/
http://www.pan-nationalism.org/

So you misspoke and, like most other websites, it links to others.

And you don't apply the same logic to BattleGrim.net.

Forgive my sarcasm, but do you really read what you're saying here?

A little defensive aren't we? All I said was that I could understand how someone in Vikernes' position might view the use of burzum.com as inappropriate or even self-serving. I don't even want to go into the obvious design, content, and rhetorical similarities between this network and the new burzum.com. He repudiated the old burzum.com, didn't give permission to restart it in the current form, complained, and the website is still up. Naturally he found this disrespectful to his person if not his work as well. I don't entirely agree with him and that should be obvious from my original post but I thought it worthwhile to point out the basis for the misunderstanding. I think burzum.com is respectful of Burzum and that is what's most important. The main purpose of my post was how the whole fiasco raises questions about artistic control, distrust of the media and of the public, and when art grows beyond the constraints of its creator.

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Metal / Re: [META] New Burzum album info
« on: November 24, 2009, 06:22:01 AM »

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Metal / Re: [META] New Burzum album info
« on: November 23, 2009, 10:52:55 PM »
The old burzum.com was great for its time. The heathen front was a great idea as well. Unfortunately the two couldn't coexist.

Who gets to decide what the meaning and history of Burzum is? Vikernes in later years has provided some unique and valuable insights about Burzum which aren't obvious from a listener standpoint. I don't think you can look to Vikernes as the primary authority, however, because he's proven himself to be unreliable. His interviews and articles have an underlying continuity but are still riddled with frequent inconsistency (self-serving half-truths, if not outright fabrications, and paranoid reliance on hearsay). It's revisionism on his part; he's engaging in a periodic and apparently conscious reinvention of himself and by extension Burzum. This is also my perception of a number of artists who have undergone musical and/or personal "change." If an artist has intellectual clarity and honesty then it's useful to look to him to understand the works better. What happens though when an artist changes significantly? Should he still maintain exclusive control of his works or should their interpretation and use fall within the public domain (in an extralegal sense)?

I've always understood his objection to the new burzum.com though. The site exists to promote Burzum and its ideas but it also exists to promote something else. Understandably, someone in Vikernes' position might view this as an act of appropriation or at least an inappropriate and/or self-serving misuse of his creation.

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