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Metal / Re: Knowing ones place: Burzum and 0peth
« on: July 17, 2013, 05:26:26 PM »
Pink Frothy AIDS was clearly designed to capitalize on the vast audience of underconfident metalheads who wanted a prog band, but also wanted it to be bone simple.

It's contrived, and calculated.

Metal / Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
« on: July 17, 2013, 05:25:50 PM »
"But if there's any good in it, keep THE GOOD PARTS."

That's what I meant. Don't keep the whole thing, just keep what is good.

And what about things that in total are worse than anything their parts have to offer? You're talking about a genre that is a mishmash of others, so your entire point is ludicrous, but you're also trying to evade the reality which is that to "take the good parts" from something, we need to keep it around. And if it has other consequences, we inherit those. The nuclear war example is apt because there's not something to learn/take from everything. Only some things.

DA is very grindy (to the point where I don't know why ANUS classes them as metalcore).

Compositional direction.

Their first album is a mishmash of songs with a cool riff or two but that are ultimately unrelated - lacks direction. "Legion" is the sole respectable work from the band, and even though my personal preference says that album is overrated, I can acknowledge its contributions to the genre. "Once Upon The Cross" is like a diluted "Legion" with some parts of the first album - lacking.

I don't agree on the first album. It's a clear rip of two other albums, but it integrates the influence into a new style and the songs fit together quite well. They are not as riff-salady as I'd like, but not that different from MA in terms of layout.

I still haven't seen you touch the substance of my message, or explain to us what nu-core offers that we can't get anywhere else, or why we should keep a tainted thing around in case it teaches us one tiny good thing in with the river of shit.

Metal / Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
« on: July 16, 2013, 06:51:30 AM »
"nuclear holocaust kills bugs, thus it's not flawed. Its parts aren't flawed!"

You single out one part which may not be flawed, and then assume all parts aren't flawed. Did I say that? No. I said that some parts may not be flawed. 

That's not true. Here's your original statement:

Second, simply because the fundamental tenants of a particular thing are flawed does not necessarily mean that every aspect of said thing is flawed. Find the useful/good in everything, and promote/support it. If there is no good in it (like that cuisine), then disregard it.

If there is no good in it, disregard it. But if there's any good in it, keep it. That's the summary of that paragraph. And so I say: nuclear holocaust kills mosquitoes.

Keep it!

Intelligent people can have different (but yet valid) views on what is good.

Valid doesn't mean anything.

The question is "accurate."

I don't agree at all here, as you know.

I don't think these bands/musicians are consciously doing this, do you? I think they're all just morons who don't know any better.

Does it matter? (And yes, I think most are doing it consciously; at least, that's what they say in interviews.)

Ignorance, not intended hostile takeover. Still annoying and gets in the way of good metal though.

Who cares what their intent is?


Look at results. Again with the valid/intent-versus-reality/results dichotomy that seems inherent to your viewpoint.

You want to know some good metalcore albums? Here's a few for ya - take them or leave them.

I would like the complete list, so that discussion can proceed. Let's look at the best of the genre, and see what it has to offer.

If we don't have a complete list, we all know what will happen. "But you didn't consider..."

Integrity - Those Who Fear Tomorrow and Systems Overload
Today is the Day - In The Arms of God and Kiss The Pig
Discordance Axis - anything, but particularly Jouhou and The Inalienable Dreamless
Rorschach - Protestant

A starter list.

Are they on the level of Altars of Madness or Consuming Impulse? Not quite, but then neither is Splenium For Nyktophobia or Close To A World Below; still great records.

Is Close to a World Below closer to AOM than these?

Metal / Re: Knowing ones place: Burzum and 0peth
« on: July 15, 2013, 03:55:46 PM »
However, their recent turn to classic progressive rock is, I think, a welcome direction for the band.

Absolutely. When metal bands don't want to play metal, they shouldn't half-ass it and try to "metalize" whatever genre they're aping. They should simply go into that genre full-on. Applies to Metallica too.

Metal / Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
« on: July 15, 2013, 03:54:32 PM »
OK, first off, tone it down. 

Tone what down? And why are you telling me what to do? This seems dysfunctional and passive aggressive.

Second, simply because the fundamental tenants of a particular thing are flawed does not necessarily mean that every aspect of said thing is flawed.

Assumption: every aspect of it must be flawed for it to be flawed. We can see how that makes zero sense with the following: nuclear holocaust kills bugs, thus it's not flawed. Its parts aren't flawed!

Find the useful/good in everything, and promote/support it.

This misunderstands "good." Good means a design of intelligence; when a genre steps outside of that, there's nothing good there.

Nu-core (whatever that term means, it seems much too general to apply to a specific genre) seems to encompass a lot.

And yet it all shares a similarity: it's rock/post-hardcore with some metal riffs, which wishes to impersonate metal and thus replace it.

If metalcore is included in this general term, we have already proven that there are good metalcore bands, so you are incorrect.

What are those?

Third: you say we are not a hivemind, but then you expect me to agree with you that just because it's rock music (which is generally shit), it's not worth exploring?

You're incoherent here. Someone making an argument does not equate to them forcing you into a hivemind. If that were true, it would equally apply to what you're doing here.

As if the opinion just goes without saying? I do believe The Doors, Genesis, and a select few other rock bands (supported by this site, no less) achieve a level of quality comparable with some of the best metal.

I disagree. The point of nu-core being rock music is that it's not metal, yet impersonates metal. If it doesn't impersonate metal, like the Doors, there's no problem with it.

Finally, your attempt at insulting wit in the last sentence fails. I want a discussion, not internet shit flinging. Keep that in mind before you spew out whatever pops into your head onto the keyboard.

You're reading something into it that isn't there. And you sound rather angry.

Attitudes like that do little good for this site, or metal in general.

Like what? You named a behavior, not an attitude.

Metal / Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
« on: July 14, 2013, 10:34:41 AM »
Do we all hate nu-core? We are not hive.

I don't see any point exploring it. It's rock music.

That it throws in some metal riffs doesn't distract from its basic inattention to reality and thus, rather boring personal drama that I don't care about.

We are not hive - yet you use blanket statements that imply a hivemind way of thinking.

Choose your words carefully lest you wind up entangled in them.

Please give some examples of this entanglement.

I agree with you - mostly. There have been some quality bands in this genre of pointlessness mentioned here in this thread. If you choose to investigate, and do not like them, fine. If you like them, great! But condemning without investigation is an error. Look for the silver lining, it's always there somewhere even if it is very small.

Horse shit.

The design of some approaches to problem solving are inherently broken and there's no need to pursue them.

Why not explore coprophagic nouvelle cuisine? Maybe some of it is good.

Like certain political philosophies (Marxism, for example) the fundamental tenets of nu-core's design philosophy are stupid, and therefore the best result it can hope for it so mediate its own stupid in some entertaining way.

Why not find the good in K-pop instead? It's more valid as a genre.

Metal / Uniqueness
« on: July 13, 2013, 09:23:37 AM »
Hipsters use "unique" as a compliment, and hippies use it as a reason why each person is important.

It's neither. You don't want a unique hammer, for example, and yet hammers are important. You want some things to be purely functional.

But when it comes to communications -- writings, music, art -- you would expect them not to cluster together, or what you have isn't art, but a circle-jerk repeating the same stuff over and over.

Propaganda would cluster more like that.


This research uses spectral analysis to compare songs. Basically, at what times are they at roughly the same frequencies.

I'd love to run the same thing for metal, first on riffs, and next on songs.

I imagine there's a huge cluster with the "standard speed metal song" from the 1980s front and center. And after that, the standard death metal trudge-jump song. And now, the "chaotic" math-core, metalcore, deathcore, indie, shoegaze, etc. song that ends up in the exact same place as everything else after doing some random stuff at the beginning.

Something to think about if any of you need research topics.

Metal / Re: Best Of Lists
« on: July 13, 2013, 09:05:56 AM »
Now the irony would be to make a power metal song using those lyrics, I suppose.

I support adding the first, third, and fourth albums from Darkthrone. I still can't like the second, and while the 'Faust is good, it's still not the truly excellent.

I think of this list as a metal evangelism list. What music will convince other people that metal is awesome?

Metal / Re: Classical in Audiofile
« on: July 13, 2013, 09:03:50 AM »
We talk of keeping or deleting forum entries, but the worth of a database like audiofile constitutes the live links.

And the links to it. So update, don't kill.

Metal / Re: Why do we all hate -core music?
« on: July 13, 2013, 09:00:08 AM »
Do we all hate nu-core? We are not hive.

I don't see any point exploring it. It's rock music.

That it throws in some metal riffs doesn't distract from its basic inattention to reality and thus, rather boring personal drama that I don't care about.

Metal / Re: New Finnish Death Metal
« on: July 13, 2013, 08:59:07 AM »
What about this Finnish old skool stuff: Shrapnel Storm


Sounds like a cross between Overkill and Malevolent Creation. Very much a speed metal influence. Unfortunately rather predictable in composition.

Metal / Re: GORGUTS: New Song Samples Available - Mar. 21, 2010
« on: July 10, 2013, 09:32:09 PM »
Oh yeah! I love this. I love the new Dillinger, I like my Stone Sour as well. Iím not stuck saying itís got to be extreme and weird. Like Stone Sour, I LOVE Corey Taylorís voice. I think heís an amazing singer. I love Opeth, Katatonia, I love those bands. Steven Wilsonís music Ė


Metal / Re: Best Of Lists
« on: July 02, 2013, 10:29:54 PM »
The point is twofold:

1. Fun
2. Making this genre open to others, since it's old enough now that people don't automatically get into it.

Handing them a definitive list would help.

Most list-threads end up with people hucking in whatever old bullshit they're thinking just to sound important. Hope that doesn't happen here.

Metal / Re: Classical in Audiofile
« on: July 02, 2013, 10:28:59 PM »
Let's move in the direction of adding Debussy and Ravel rather than losing Saint-Saens.  I listed 17 composers, and I believe I currently count 59 on our index.  Just for sake of conservation and so I can continue to turn the wheels in my head, who would the next 17 keepers be?  Debussy, Ravel, Mahler, Shostakovich, Rachmaninoff...Chopin? Liszt? Bartok? Handel?

We don't want to disallow or discourage any uploads but I do want to re-organize and get rid of dead weight.  So I should also add that if you have made uploads or started threads with now dead links, if you were to go back in and add live links, this would go a long way in keeping the thread from getting the axe.  This goes for lesser metal artists as well.

IMHO, don't remove; fix the biggest names first, then move outward. And if some volunteers will download and keep some of the more obscure ones, even if they don't listen daily, it means we never lose those. 59 composers is a good list and could be a major draw, since sometimes it's hard to find classical out there.

Interzone / Re: Happiness?
« on: July 02, 2013, 10:21:50 PM »
But the truth is: nothing WILL bring you happiness.

Do people think life is a restaurant?

"Yes, I'd like a steaming plate of happiness, with a side order of hipness."

Happiness, or whatever that word is a stand-in for, must be created.

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