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Metal / Re: Metal as neo-Medieval Art
« on: April 29, 2007, 04:25:45 PM »
Forgive the faux pas of prediction, but I wonder if those wooden toys woudn't one day rise to sentience, to answer the prayers of old Giuseppe. If less is more, than the man of wood has little to put him ill at ease, for he risks but the nihil of his birthright, and per the expense of such adventure, may gain the world--not for himself, for what he receives he shan't retain, but perhaps for him by whom he was fashioned.


This is precisely what i'm orbiting. How overjoyed I am to here such sort of a thing from someone living! It is as though the mess of my thinking has been gathered into a mere paragraph; incredible: somehow a statement of my highest hope.

(...silent contemplation)

Metal / Re: Metal as neo-Medieval Art
« on: April 28, 2007, 03:14:08 PM »

If I am reading what you have written correctly, that is, I believe with Spenglerian overtones which speak of the American as the man of civilization contra or opposed to culture, then we can rest assured that the American is indeed such a specimen. Understood as such a telic marker, then, the Spenglerian epoch, or axis of change, must be around which it spins, which is no less than cause for excitement.

Certainly, with a slight appropriation: has anyone ever thought that 'the American' is his own epoch, that he spins around himself as a form of self-completion - 'en soi pour soi' - and that unlike 'the European' he can never decline because 'the American' never believed he was going anywhere?

Metaphorically speaking, bien sur.

Surely this reminds us of the Ouroboros, the snake which consumes itself endlessly - and if it does, and if the snake is to do with something absurd and profound and unutterable then... we could see 'the American' in a new light; instead of throwing our hands up into the air and closing our eyes at his stupidity, we foreign peoples could take a much closer look at him: this man who has so much more. and less, to him than meets the senses.

So perhaps America is more a symbol of recline - reclining into what? Not anything to predict, (as prediction is but another form of reason's technical nihilism) but to watch. We already know contribute to its dominate pull. Reminds us of a quantum singularity too.

(After afew more failed attempts at adding a picture I shot myself. Edit: I added an image! Huzzah!)

Quotes of 'the American man':

"The American man uses his mind as a mirror. He grasps nothing. He regrets nothing. He receives but does not keep." - Chuang Tzu

"Americans are those excellent nutcrackers of the soul, ever questioning and questionable, as if life were nothing but cracking nuts; and thus they are bound to grow day-by-day more questionable, worthier of asking questions, perhaps also worthier - of living?" - Mad European

Metal / Re: Metal as neo-Medieval Art
« on: April 25, 2007, 01:51:40 PM »
America is interesting and unique. In a sense it is the summation of West Europe without the historical and cultural baggage. Such an utter lack means they are capable of doing, of being, what a European never can be, and in a metaphorical sense they would do it honestly and fully, i.e. without reflection. They are in the twin terms of Christianity and Technics, completed Europeans.

(...too stupid to add picture. I should probably be shot...)

Their total lack of a traditional identity sets them apart from their birth place in the green lands of Europe; not just a geographical or ethnic seperation, but in terms of the technological metaphysic too: they can be everything Europe is but has not the capacity to do, held back as they are by dead values, dead prejudices and dead gods. [See J.Evola]

There are identities within America, yes, but is there a genuine identity of America - of the kind felt in Europe: an unknown, ancient rootedness which we find in the political entities of the UK, France, Germany and so forth? I think not. As I said, they lack a traditional, non-contrived identity - from my foreigner's perspective all they have is a baseless detached 'patriotism': U.S.A!

Could that be why American black metal is null, because there was no old pagan (id)entity within America? For the metaphorical reason that a real identity is hidden from them and all they live off is broken European code? Or should we say, a purified christian-technical dialectic, once which reaches its telos in the unending spectacle that both Europeans and Americans alike call - The USA?


Metal / Re: Metal as neo-Medieval Art
« on: April 23, 2007, 08:39:34 AM »
Sorry, I am confused. Can you define Heroism so I don't misinterpret it completely; i.e what is the difference between it and mere scum and selfish banditary? That one raids another's home (scum) but can protect one's own (noble)? If so, doesn't that just lead us back through the process of Imperialism-Empire-Slaves-Slave Morality-Contemporary Values-Collapse-Repeat?

What has been gained there; an endless circle up to 'Kali-Yuga' and back round and round forever?

which is why the idealism is always juxtaposed against the reality of death and suffering.

I though the 'Word of Nietzsche' meant that the Ideal - as signified by God - is dead, as in essence we just cannot have it function no more. In other words, I guess he was troubled by how we could seriously deal with reality without the Ideal: how to face the horrors of history without superficial Hegelian or Darwinian optimism, without exalting some ancient or simple experiance; without claiming meaning is obtained for the future or from the past...

Yet you introduce the Ideal here once more; how is this so? I thought it died? Your post seems to recognise it is unobtainable, so why persist with the Ideal?

Welcome to the human condition, glad to have you on board.

The aformentioned philosopher talks of man having grown board of himself. He talks of the last man; perhaps, the last human?

Perhaps "Does the act of killing God mean we must ourselves become gods simply to be worthy of it?" means 'must we become more than mere human beings, a mere homosapien species?'

Perhaps then, cutting loose from all certainty and Ideal means, as Virillo put it, we are falling upwards into the sky, possibly towards apotheosis - and that is not, despite the homogenizing, dominating and harvesting character of technical modernity - necessarily an evil or purely negative thing.

Are not the possibilities hidden within technology truely transcendent?

Metal / Re: Metal as neo-Medieval Art
« on: March 25, 2007, 07:04:49 PM »
[contribution] Very interesting post.

I think you are definitely on to something with the majority of this; that death shows its face once more through metal culturally is certainly true. The form of some metal sharing characteristics with some medieval music is a good point to start talking of the romanticist link too. Yet the last paragraph is misleading when you try to establish values onto the medieval world as is, going as far to say they even "permeate" it. While seeing a certain approach to death in metal is one, I think applicable, conclusion, it is by no means true to read heroist outlooks into the genre, let alone medieval times. As such the link is too contrived for now - there is a large somewhat ideological jump from metal-romantic into metal-medieval. Wheres the link? You say,

Its virtues are the virtues of a warrior: honor, fearlessness in the face of death, and the heroic will to live out one's purpose in a violent world.

So I have to disagree completely in drawing any similarity between the medieval world and the heroic, Homeric, world in which you interpret metal as espousing.
After all, knights were not 'chilverous' in the least - chivalry is a myth, false and overly romanticised: far from acting to "build temples to transcendent belief from raw materials of the crudest sort." these so-called warriors acted with an overall mercenary attitude and lifestyle. A sign of the times no doubt. The bandit profession is an infinitely more realistic description than any scattered throw of heroism there may have rarely been. Honor amongst theives? Purpose in a violent world? What would that be - money? wealth?

Spiritual purpose beyond a need for God is lacking for these 'warriors'.

Such swords-for-hire act for themselves in a survivalist mentality rather than any community or people to which they do not belong, let alone acting out the transcendent belief which a people can cultivate. Medieval heroics are a nostalgic fantasy. This is why "war, death and the sword" cannot be taken in a romantic context, but a blunt factual one, as it does not mean heroism but survivalism. Nor can it be taken as providing any truth to the old world and its main triad of slavery, death and pestilance: the real master icons.

Its vices are the vices of those without the courage to live as warriors: weakness, misplaced mercy, falsity and dissimulation.

Also, there seems to be a gross mistake here: Homeric values are not Medieval ones. You cannot map heroics onto the latter world, nor fantasise it into having qualities which is simply did not, in general, possess. The context for heroic virtue and vice is completely inappropriate to the medieval world. What can I say? Metal is romantic, but romanticism is not medieval.

If anyone wants to persue this connection between death and the metal genre there is a book, well, a series of lectures called 'Western Attitudes Toward Death' by Philippe Ariès. The main thing you will lift out is, of course, the transition from the medieval attitude of 'death as fact' to the modern treatment of 'death as shameful and forbidden' - currently forbidden even in spite of the yearly pornography of death as a spectacle; something which Ariès deals with when describing the overt american experiance . I've read it afew times, it is fairly cheap and well translated.



Metal / Re: Metal: confrontational, non-conformist, realis
« on: February 28, 2007, 07:48:18 AM »
Flat sarcastic trolling: Too absurd to be serious - question mark. african-americans, Jews: Bad News!

###by 20145689###
"I just would like to see the Dark Legions Archive dragged out of the bunker mentality gutter. Which is here? But I know next to nothing of music and aesthetics of black compared to the DLA."

###by Artic Sun###
"Epic Progressive/Melodic Death Metal. Clean and Death vocals. Extremely beautiful and epic music all around. Don't miss this one.  

Opeth- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHE57U1v1zc&search=opeth  

'Nuff said"

###by atxryan2###
"It probably just traces back to how dumb your moderators are. Anyway, Fuck You, Fuck You, Fuck You, None Of You Are Cool, Fuck You, Fuck You, I'm Out."

###by Deathserpent9###
"wait a minute how did you know i liked cradle of filth?"

###by Metalist###
"Interesting how we like to call true metal 'Dionysian' because it is about this world (as opposed to the Appolynian dream world), yet someone else flips the symbols on us and calls cock rock Dionysian because it is hedonistic."


"A close analysis of nu metal vs 'true' metal shows a common theme of dark aspects of life"

###by  My Man Mahmoud###
"If you read know how to read between the lines, Chuck died of AIDS.  It doesn't take 5 years to die of an aggressive and inoperable brain tumor."

### by Concerned Hessian###
"Did Morbid Angel kill my best friend?"

###by Equalclast###
"I think that in an idea metal society, everybody would be equal and important individuals."

###by Str0ngold###
"Im tryingt to fill my ipod with some metal and a little bit of rock, how the hell am i gonna do that? probably with you guys help ^^  

i have this 30gig ipod, i have some Rammstein, Children Of Bodom, Slipknot, Metallica, As i lay dying, Unearth and System of a down and now im out of idea on what to dl please help me"


Metal / Re: Metal: confrontational, non-conformist, realis
« on: February 27, 2007, 05:05:25 PM »
Tonight, with Trevor McDonald...

Lurkers do contribute. Sarcasm for instance in both its flat and pointy modes.

FLAT - subtle, quite, serious, insidious, fishing-troll -
1) "In my opinion Opeth are enlightening."
2) "Jazz is just as worthwhile in its own way." and also pointed variations

POINTED - loud, blatent, obnoxious, frank, offensive-troll -
1) "lol urmetalgayz lolzone!!11"

...In conclusion: Jewlol.

Audiofile / Cryptopsy
« on: June 07, 2006, 04:55:05 AM »
Cryptopsy MP3s

"Heavy northern contenders Cryptopsy bring New York style death metal to Canada with a eurometal precision flair."

Cryptopsy - Blasphemy Made Flesh (1994) [ CD $8 ]

Cryptopsy - Blasphemy Made Flesh (1994, Mega)

Cryptopsy - None So Vile (1996) [ CD $11 ]

Cryptopsy - None So Vile (1996, Mega)

Metal / Re: Useless metal genres
« on: June 02, 2006, 01:34:57 PM »
Of course, Limp Bizkit metalcore is so worthwhile.

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