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Interzone / Denigrating science to inflate the religious ego
« on: May 09, 2014, 10:41:25 AM »
It's a popular thing in some conservative circles (and this forum of late) to stand up for religion against the terrible onslaught of fanatical scientific atheism that's single-handily destroying Western Civilization. Oh dear.

While the merits of this are still to be seen, what's most intriguing to me are the ways in which people go about counter-acting this. Science is accused of being arrogant, of not being able to explain how we got here, and not being able to explain why we exist.

It's my challenge that all 3 of these are absurd.

To the first, science is actually the most humble discourse humans have ever attempted to understand "reality" - and certainly far more so than religion. Consider: science never says it has the final answer. It is always open to new evidence and contemplation of things which were heretofore considered ludicrous. Not only that, but it is based upon observing what can be perceived, in a careful and verifiable way.

Contrast this to religion, which inevitably claims final and complete knowledge. It is extraordinarily reactionary against anything that contradicts its dogma, and its methods are almost entirely subjective, relying on what's occurring in the internal nervous system of the individual, whether from a true shaman or a dishonest epileptic rabbi. The problem with this is that it is impossible to communicate what was experienced, as nothing is external to be observed.

To the second, while science cannot yet answer that question, it is collecting information and forming hypotheses, until enough evidence is gathered to justify a conclusion. That's called humbleness.

You know what isn't humble?

Declaring: "God made the universe in seven days, the Sun orbits the Earth, and if you don't agree, prepare to get toasted."

Now, on to the last point. It's here that the criticism is true: science can't explain why we exist. However, why I think this charge is absurd is because nothing else can either. Sure, you can invent all sorts of reasons/explanations/bullshit, collect them in a holy book, and off you go; but that doesn't make it true.

What's particularly funny is that the people who do that call others arrogant!

Metal / Warrior on Melana Chasmata
« on: April 22, 2014, 11:58:15 AM »
As honest as ever:

At any rate, I, too, think Melana Chasmata might be the most deficient post-Celtic Frost reunion album I have been involved in. I have made uncounted such statements within the band during the extended time we were working on the album, and there exists a long string of very unambiguous mails to this effect, addressed to the band's management and to our partners at Century Media.

Melana Chasmata was an exceedingly difficult and complex album to make, and that is never a good sign. There were reasons for these difficulties, and they were far from superficial, on more than just one level. In the end, I couldn't have worked on this album for even one more day, even though I seriously pondered at least a remix, if not far more drastic revisions. But I eventually felt I needed to wrap it up and thus also conclude the entire emotional landscape attached to it.

Frankly, I personally am utterly puzzled by the extremely favourable opinions the album has garnered from most in our audience as well as from reviewers, record company, management, and fellow band members. My own stance is far, far more critical, and I have so far been unable to listen to the album as a whole. The faint light on the horizon, for me, is that I felt the same way about To Mega Therion in late 1985. Only a few years down the road did I begin to digest that album and its production, eventually enabling me to think of it as one of Celtic Frost's most significant albums.


Interzone / Contribute to deathmetal.org
« on: April 21, 2014, 03:50:08 AM »
    People occasionally write in and ask us if there's any way they can assist our endeavor to promote reckless sodomy quality death/black metal. While there are many ways, what we invariably ask is: "How committed are you?"

    The response we receive often consists of pledges towards strong commitment, shortly before never hearing from that person again. It is for this reason that we are often skeptical of such offers, even though we don't want to be.

    What we are looking for are:

    People who are reliable (ie, do not drop out after a couple weeks, nor repeatedly use the excuse of "things came up"). While things do occasionally come up, it does not take that much effort to spend 30-60 minutes a week contributing to the site.

    What you would be doing:

    Writing a weekly article. This could take the form of a news article, a review, or anything conceivably related to the genre. What you write is more or less up to you. Additionally, due to our position, we often are sent promotional materials for review, so this can be utilized as a source of material.

    While we appreciate those who send in the occasional piece, at this time we are explicitly looking for a regular commitment.

    Why we are doing this:

    In the near future, deathmetal.org will be undergoing some re-organization and shift of purpose. Those who have been with us for a long time are shifting their attention to new frontiers, and we need competent contributors to keep up with the quantity and quality of material the site has historically produced.

    Expect more on this shortly.

Interzone / Bill Hopkins: The Divine and the Decay/The Leap!
« on: April 16, 2014, 10:09:18 AM »
Doth anyone have knowledge of where to obtain this book? So far, I've found only a couple copies floating around the internet, pushing $200 each.

I would like to scan it and upload as a pdf.

Has anyone done this?

Metal / Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
« on: March 02, 2014, 01:47:02 PM »
Regarding the iLDjARN/Hate Forest split "Those Once Mighty Fallen"

iLDjARN has confirmed to me that there's been a mix-up in regards to the source-material for the split on OSMOSE. The songs are my original compositions in their entirety, though uncredited. I think any listener will also recognize the tunes when comparing the two versions. There is, however, no quarrell between me and iLDjARN regarding this, it's a matter between him and OSMOSE.

The prelimenary synth-basses represent parts of what was later to be recorded as guitar and bass.

In the order they were recorded, with original titles, on my ca. '95 sketch-tape.

1. Balders skjebne: 0:00
Link to the split-version (1. song on the LP):
2. Syner: 7:52
Link to the split-version (2. song on the LP):
3. Fimbulsvintre: 13:13
Link to the split-version (3. song on the LP):
4. Garm gjøyr: 16:37
Link to the split-version (4. song on the LP):
5. Det siste slaget: 17:52
Link to split-version (5. song on the LP):
6. Fra øst en elv: 21:39
Link to split-version (6. song on the LP):


Metal / Ildjarn bandcamp
« on: February 16, 2014, 05:50:17 PM »
Evidently, Ildjarn is on bandcamp now: http://ildjarn.bandcamp.com/

Is Ildjarn rising from the dead (turning a Jesus™)?

Interzone / Praise Bob!
« on: February 09, 2014, 02:09:04 AM »

Audiofile / Haven In Shadows
« on: January 31, 2014, 06:07:45 PM »
Haven In Shadows
Haven In Shadows MP3s

"Melancholic Finnish black metal which attempts to answer the question posed by the original wave of
black metal: 'What have we forgotten and how can we recall it?' Meditative at heart, this is something lost within the current generation of black metal and is worth rediscovering again."

Haven In Shadows

Legend of the Wolf (1995)

Haven In Shadows - Legend of the Wolf (1995, senditz)

Worthwhile speech discussing the split between science and religion and how it relates to the modern conception of nature. Covers the artistic and philosophical evidence of this change, in addition to considering what can be done about it. 


Interzone / Frank Schaeffer - Why I Converted To Eastern Orthodoxy
« on: January 06, 2014, 07:33:43 PM »
Interesting talk, touches on many areas of interest to this forum. Discusses the limp-wristedness of Standard American Protestantism (SAP) and the failure of modern education, in addition to an explanation on how Orthodox Christianity offers a solution to moderns dissatisfied with a Christianity stripped of meaning.


Interzone / Who are the pests?
« on: January 06, 2014, 03:09:11 PM »
Humans are creative critters. They have a well-developed ability for modifying destroying their environment, then expressing outrage at anything which might disrupt that.

Rodents? Pests!
Deer? Pests!
Felines? Pests!
Canines? Pests!

(Of course, any of the above can turn into Pets, if the human so desires - and as long as the animal behaves in a way which does not inconvenience the human. Then it's back to a Pest. {Pest/Pets - the words are so similar})

Of course, very few care to look at it from the animals' point of view: before humans, an earthly paradise of a self-contained ecosystem in which all had a role. The predators kept the herbivores in check, which allows plants the ability to provide a sustainable habitat for all.

Then along come humans, who bulldoze the ecosystem before erecting roads on which to drive mechanical monstrosities at speeds fast enough to kill any unsuspecting critter which may stroll across.

Humans destroy animals' access to food then wonder why they're trying to eat theirs.
Humans destroy all other predator populations then wonder why the prey is breeding uncontrollably.

I'm reminded of a leftist woman I had the displeasure of interacting with last year: in early winter, while flying over the speed-limit on a country road, she struck and killed a deer. Wonder what her reaction was?

"That DEER hit ME!"

Yes, it was the fault of the deer, not the domesticated primate traveling at reckless speeds.

The women she was telling this story to quickly asked pertinent questions:

"Were you ok"?
"How much did it cost?"
"Were you late to your class?"
"How is the car?"

Not one expressed any thought for the deer.

Why would they? It was just a pest.

If you want to save the environment, don't hunt the deer.

Hunt the humans.

Interzone / Anti-raciscm = racism
« on: December 14, 2013, 06:18:24 AM »
Retired Brooklyn Supreme Court Judge Frank Barbaro wants a white man he convicted in 1999 of killing a black man to be freed — claiming Wednesday he based the verdict on his own reverse racism. The 86-year-old former jurist convicted Donald Kagan, now 39, of fatally shooting Wavell Wint, 22, during a struggle over Kagan’s chain outside an East New York movie theater in 1998.

But Barbaro told a court that, because of his viewpoint as a civil-rights activist, he didn’t consider a justification defense by Kagan in the nonjury trial.

“Mr. Kagan had no intent to kill that man . . . I believe now that I was seeing this young white fellow as a bigot, as someone who assassinated an African-American,” Barbaro, a former longshoreman who also served 23 years in the state Assembly, told Brooklyn Supreme Court Justice ShawnDya Simpson.


Metal / Rolling Stone - 20 Best Metal Albums of 2013
« on: December 14, 2013, 05:40:37 AM »
20. Darkthrone, "The Underground Resistance"
19. Mastodon, "Live at Brixton"
18. Stomach Earth, "Stomach Earth"
17. Melt-Banana, 'Fetch'
16. Steven Wilson, 'The Raven Refused to Sing (And Other Stories)'
15. Voivod, 'Target Earth'
14. Cathedral, 'The Last Spire'
13. Church of Misery, 'Thy Kingdom Scum'
12. Kylesa, 'Ultraviolet'
11. SubRosa, 'More Constant Than the Gods'
10. Clutch, 'Earth Rocker'
9. Inter Arma, 'Sky Burial'
8. Earthless, 'From the Ages'
7. Dillinger Escape Plan, 'One of Us Is the Killer'
6. Blood Ceremony, 'The Eldritch Dark'
5. Gorguts, 'Colored Sands'
4. In Solitude, 'Sister'
3. Windhand, 'Soma'
2. Kvelertak, 'Meir'
1. Deafheaven, 'Sunbather'


Metal / Death Metal Underground Weekly Newsletter
« on: November 25, 2013, 10:39:36 AM »
Death Metal Underground
Weekly Newsletter 11/18-11/24
Because Metal Is Art

Five things every musician needs

Those of us who have had the fortune to hang around the music industry for a few decades tend to pick up a few ideas about what works and what doesn’t.

If you are trying to get your music out there, you’ll get a lot of advice from people with agendas. They want you to do x so that they get y. What follows is generic advice for putting your best foot forward.


Demilich box details revealed

Back in 1993, Demilich released a killer album entitled Nespithe. The album innovated consciously in every way possible. It took the audience a decade to warm up to it, but by the time Demilich re-united in 2006 for a reunion tour, death metal had fully bonded with this inventive act.

Fast forward a few more years and Demilich is finally getting the recognition it deserves through re-releases of its classic material. These were originally planned in 2006, but got delayed a bit as the wheels of music justice ground. Demilich has just announced the release of a limited edition box set with a 44-page booklet, sticker and new cover art.


Black metal album titles illustrated like children's books

These pictures were originally innocent illustrations for children’s books. They were drawn by well-known but now deceased Czech artist Helena Zmatlíková who illustrated numerous books for children.

At some time after that, they were creatively edited by a member of Umbrtka who also writes for Czech Maxim. The innocence drained away, replaced by the eternal darkness of the blackest of souls.


Deicide - In the Minds of Evil

If you break any ground as a band, you will suffer from momentum inertia. Your initial direction will carry you quickly to its end, and after three albums, you will find yourself with a loss of direction.

This occurs because in your vision, substance and form were joined, and you made a language out of what you wished to express. For some visions, a lifetime of specifics can be created; for most, there are big picture things to do, and then emptiness.


Cryogen - Continuum

Two revelations before listening to this: first, when I first got into music I thought talent and ability were rare; now I realize they’re commonplace, but the ability to apply them in some non-inert interesting way is rare. Second, that metalcore — the mix of metal genres in the post-hardcore style of “contrast without continuity” riffing — borrows almost everything it has from 1980s speed metal.


Micro-songs: the shortest songs in heavy metal

About a decade ago, the trend of flash fiction or micro-stories seized the literary world by storm. The reasoning was that as people did more of their reading via phones and portable computers, they would want shorter, harder-hitting fiction.

Of course, metal was there first.


Pink Frothy AIDS frontman says metal fans are "close-minded"

Heavy metal music gets a bad rap, not just from people who dislike it, but from people who claim to like it. The problem is that criticism draws attention to the speaker, so there’s no better way to stand out than to stand up and say, “All of this is wrong!”

While some critics of the current way are motivated by a desire to create useful change, most people are motivated by self-interest and change for change’s sake, which lets them seize attention and/or power. Pink Frothy AIDS’s frontman Mikael “Mick” Åkerfeldt recently attempted such a power grab.

His statements, recorded in a Metal Hammer interview via Metal Injection, are harshly critical of metal but suffer a gigantic logical “plot hole” that makes them totally nonsense.

http://www.deathmetal.org/news/Pink Frothy AIDS-frontman-says-metal-fans-are-closed-minded

Sadistic Metal Reviews 11-24-13

What are Sadistic Metal Reviews? These reviews address the music itself, instead of the social impact of assembling a public persona out of bands you claim to like. Since almost all human endeavors are mostly mediocrity, there will be tender self-pity follow by rage. Come for the laughs, stay for the schadenfreude… and occasional quality metal.


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Interzone / Do you attend church?
« on: November 15, 2013, 06:51:35 PM »
Or any formal construct for worship.

I don't. Moving beyond my problems with Christianity, I have no desire to set foot in these humanist-influenced churches that have more in common with a social gathering than with a reverent institution. I don't want my worship interrupted with attempts to guilt me into giving money to people supposedly trying to help starving homosexual minorities in Africa. Or whatever it is they do.

However if they had music like this...

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