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Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 04, 2013, 07:44:29 PM »
Do you really believe that any of that music is deep enough to warrant it?

I listened to the entire Opeth track. You know what? I gained nothing after the first 30 seconds.

Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 04, 2013, 07:33:35 PM »
1. AIDS. Retarded stop-start riffs are "interesting" only in that they're used to replace any skill at song composition. There is no sense of narrative connection between each segment (sound familiar?). Both soulless and talentless.
2. In what way is this "progressive"? It's either inept metal or misguided grunge with an embarrassing interlude that has no artistic relevance. This is degeneration.
3. Already discussed.
4. This is pop music with the aesthetics of metal.
5. 6 minutes of elevator music followed by horribly cliched hard rock. I don't see progression.
6. Emo rock [grunge] This hasn't been new for 20 years.
7. Humiliating stadium metal.

What all have in common, with perhaps the exception for the last one, is an inability to construct a song. Because of this, they throw collections of riffs together and call it progressive to get the 2DEEP4U crowd to buy it. This is inferior to standard rock music that is able to construct a real song.

7 is a song, but it just sucks.

Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 04, 2013, 06:46:07 PM »
still haven't a clue to who/what "pink frothy aids" refers


Unlike standard rock: more of a 'narrative' or story (start theme revisisted at the end, after a 'journey' in between), longer melodic progression within phrases, and greater harmonic capability... Unlike death metal: locked into the rhythm of the drums, and scales are mostly diatonic (non-chromatic).

This track was a collection of ideas and genres mashed together and thrown into a blender. There was no sense of narrative and I probably contracted HIV.

Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 04, 2013, 06:41:57 PM »
"Progressive" is a marketing term that's usually synonymous with "mediocre".

Interzone / Re: Black Holes.
« on: December 04, 2013, 11:16:59 AM »
I have enough knowledge of the 3 Abrahamic religions to label parts of them neurotic, yes. I wouldn't claim judgment on others.

Interzone / Re: Black Holes.
« on: December 04, 2013, 12:59:55 AM »
What's your take on myths? Mystics have a long history of inventing explanations that appeal to their sensibilities while simultaneously being false.

How does one know that he is in touch with reality and not his own neurosis?

Interzone / Re: Black Holes.
« on: December 04, 2013, 12:10:47 AM »
It is interesting that scientists who most clearly exhibit comfort in admitting their lack of knowledge are usually far more likely to tend toward mysticism. An approach of a lesser (the scientist) coming to understand the greater (spacetime) could be compared to the mystic approach of enlightenment. I've read many religious scientists state that they view their work as an attempt to increase their knowledge of God and describe it in terms approaching meditation or prayer.

However, as a godless materialist, I find the mystic approach to be nearly unintelligible.

Interzone / Re: Black Holes.
« on: December 03, 2013, 10:47:15 PM »
Don't bother demanding proof, because there can be none.
Don't expect me to show the slightest interest in having you believe a word I say, because I have no interest.
Be awed, or ignore it.

Alright then. I was attempting to come at it with a "science mind". You are using a "mystic mind".

These historically have problems communicating.

Do you consider any harm has been done? Is this not an interesting thread?

It may be interesting, but it's probably not scientifically accurate. Which was my point. If you don't care about whether it is or not, then my posts are probably meaningless to you.

But you are not helping anyone to suggest that we're all talking nonsense because we don't have access to astrophysics equipment and knowledge.

I would assert that this area (at present) is one in which human understanding is very limited - this is clearly admitted by anyone involved in studying the area under question. To then attempt to articulate complex mathematical ideas without having directly studied what is being discussed, and presenting what is being articulated as necessarily true even though the source itself does not claim anything as a certainty, is highly unlikely to be accurate. To which I would then ask, why bother articulating it? Or, if the urge is so great, at least list some goddamn sources...

Interzone / Re: Black Holes.
« on: December 03, 2013, 07:00:25 PM »
I have the feeling that all the concepts that are thrown around for people who are not scientists are severely condensed for the general public.

Most valuable part of this thread.

People around these parts make a noisy deal about not believing in things just because "an authority" told them, yet it all falls to pieces in this thread. Everyone trusts the word of scientists that they just finished mocking a few lines earlier, and if not, then appoint themselves amateur scientists who can now explain various space-time phenomena.
a black hole is as essential to the galaxy that contains it, as that galaxy is to the black hole at its heart. There is no one without the other.

How do you know this? What study have you done of the structure of space-time?

And there is only one thing as powerful, as invisible, and as vanishingly small as a black hole.


A soul.

I don't understand this. Does consciousness = a soul? What does consciousness (which [so far] has been observable only in organic material), have in common with inorganic spacetime phenomena?

Metal / Re: Top 10 Worst Crimes Committed by Black Metal Musicians
« on: December 02, 2013, 02:36:26 PM »

Interzone / Re: Jonathan Bowden
« on: December 02, 2013, 02:09:00 PM »
What's Nietzsche's relationship to metaphysical objectivism?

Metal / Re: What Band are you listening today?
« on: December 02, 2013, 02:06:58 PM »
Impaled Nazarene - Tol Cormpt Norz Norz Norz
Impaled Nazarene - Ugra-Karma
Impaled Nazarene - Suomi Finland Perkele
Impaled Nazarene - Latex Cult
Napalm Death - Scum
Discharge - Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing
Nausea - Extinction

Interzone / Re: Jonathan Bowden
« on: December 02, 2013, 01:09:26 PM »
Where does Nietzsche fit into that?

Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 02, 2013, 11:27:03 AM »
Progress? That's just regression
Technology? That's nothing new
"Advance!" you scream insanely
"Advance" From this to what?

Interzone / Re: Jonathan Bowden
« on: December 02, 2013, 11:25:05 AM »
What do you think of his take on religion? Something like "it's difficult for the modern man to understand, but even if you can't bring yourself to believe in it, act like you do".

He seemed to think highly of people that believed in it literally, especially Savitri Devi's "Living Paganism".

On the other hand, he called himself a Nietzchean.

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