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Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 10, 2014, 01:30:46 AM »
Thoughts for food:

1. Nietzche's writing predates many of the events that convulsed the 20th century and beyond. Some members of the Perennialist movement began as Nietzcheans and revised their views.

2. Amerika is not ANUS. Expecting a writer to maintain the same views for 20 years is absurd.

3. Those who claim to be against both the far left and far right are suspicious - what are they for? The middling left-global-capitalist consensus? Better to be even a communist!

4. Diagnosing mental illness in long-dead historical characters is a known pastime of leftists.

5. Perpetual victim behavior is a known pastime of leftists.

6. Calling someone a hero does not imply total agreement. Nietzsche's own heroes; he split with them radically on some matters.


That said, there is some relevance to your criticism. If you reformulate it in a non-cuntish manner, perhaps a worthwhile discussion could emerge.  :)

Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 09, 2014, 06:08:50 PM »
The notion of God prevents a man from ever undertaking such reckless craziness.
It is for us to discover the many ways we can make use of the framework that enables us to live.
Messing with the framework itself, is a really bad idea.

What you mean here is understood, however insisting on using religious terminology makes it far more likely to be misconstrued.

It is quite possible to have the temperament described above while rejecting God™ entirely. Similarly, those who profess to know God™'s personal desires are among the least reverent people on Earth.

If everyone defines God™ in a manner that suites them, eventually it becomes vacuous.


What happened to the Nietzsche post? It raised some decent questions concerning the uses (and misuses) of his writing. It looked like it had potential.

It is that ilimit of our capacity to enact change on the universe, where begins God's realm. He may as well have nothing to do with us, then, nor us with him.

Why is it necessary to anthropomorphize the construction of the universe? That humans have limitations in no way suggests that a (male) deity inhabits a "realm".

Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 08, 2014, 11:46:15 AM »
If the person was removed, meaning would neither matter, nor exist.
But since the person exists, so does meaning.
Take away the meaning, and the person may as well not exist.
Maybe there is an inherent flaw in the nihilistic outlook?

Here's the flaw:

The idea that meaning is only a mental abstraction, is still a mental abstraction. Nihilists put their faith in one mental abstraction to reject another. It's incoherent and it's maddening.

Nihilists do not reject meaning. It is rather reframed as a construction that does not exist independently of any being to formulate it.

The above achieves its meaning only when one chooses to apply it.

I am agnostic about agnosticism.

Hubris might let him test the actual bendability of the rules, but God will always be there to remind him of how far rules can actually bend.
When trying to split an atom, how does the notion of "God" contribute anything?

Metal / Re: What bands are you listening to today?
« on: March 07, 2014, 11:29:20 PM »

Interzone / Re: Crimea 2014
« on: March 07, 2014, 11:26:59 PM »
What is freedom?



The privilege of having your laws decided for you in Brussels?

To say otherwise is to render yourself a demon.

Metal / Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
« on: March 02, 2014, 09:47:02 PM »
Regarding the iLDjARN/Hate Forest split "Those Once Mighty Fallen"

iLDjARN has confirmed to me that there's been a mix-up in regards to the source-material for the split on OSMOSE. The songs are my original compositions in their entirety, though uncredited. I think any listener will also recognize the tunes when comparing the two versions. There is, however, no quarrell between me and iLDjARN regarding this, it's a matter between him and OSMOSE.

The prelimenary synth-basses represent parts of what was later to be recorded as guitar and bass.

In the order they were recorded, with original titles, on my ca. '95 sketch-tape.

1. Balders skjebne: 0:00
Link to the split-version (1. song on the LP):
2. Syner: 7:52
Link to the split-version (2. song on the LP):
3. Fimbulsvintre: 13:13
Link to the split-version (3. song on the LP):
4. Garm gjøyr: 16:37
Link to the split-version (4. song on the LP):
5. Det siste slaget: 17:52
Link to split-version (5. song on the LP):
6. Fra øst en elv: 21:39
Link to split-version (6. song on the LP):


Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 27, 2014, 09:37:47 PM »
Nice. Somebody 'get's it'. Good luck trying to communicate it to those that don't.

It took me a long time.

Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 27, 2014, 09:28:51 PM »
My friend I have only spoken up recently regarding this, when multiple bannings and unsubstantiated claims about the behaviour of forum users have reached a fever pitch.

If you're fallot, you were opposed to crow's project from the very beginning.

If you're not him, which one are you? It's starting to become hard to keep track of.

I have no illusions about achieving anything, but I also could not simply leave it alone for reasons I have already elaborated on.

If you don't expect to achieve anything, then why the fuck are you still bothering with it? This is the type of bullshit that is decried in this thread's first post.

Are you able to demonstrate this wider system of behaviour?

Look up.

Are you hinting at me being a problem poster outside of this saga?


Once again, if you are aware of any problem posters, I would like you to name them.

fallot, transcix, umbrage. [notice a pattern here?]

Myself, at times.

And a few others who managed to correct their bullshit. Unsurprisingly, these people are still around.

Lets say I, or any other person that raised an issue regarding crow shut up or disappeared, would that address the complaints in the OP? Would that change anything regarding "useful" output from the forum?

No, but it would make it a lot less goddamn annoying.

Also, could you please answer that as well? What kind of impact do you believe a forum like this can realistically have? What is not being done that can be?

Productive output.

This includes articles, propaganda, and acting like a functional human being.

A lot to ask for.

Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 27, 2014, 07:26:46 PM »
The only echo chamber here is caused by those who use the term "echo chamber".

The first post in this thread explained that a major problem with this forum has been that little contribution has emerged from it.

Then certain people show up and say that's perfectly normal, nothing wrong with that, and add they can't think of any problem posters (other than blaming crow).


Until crow was introduced into the ecosystem, forum "discussion" consisted—in essence for years at a time—of folks endlessly sharing viewpoints that the active forum community already believed.  The "discussion" was congenial and (for the web) erudite, but a congenial, erudite circle jerk is still a circle jerk.  Bring back Nile577.

You must be joking. Post introduction, all communication was overwhelmed by his presence eventually. Also it is entirely "on-message" stuff so that leaves me even more confused as to what you are saying. Most importantly, no one objects to the content.

Let's consider the following:

crow has been granted admin powers over the forum by Brett, who has supported him in his efforts thus far. There's nothing to indicate Brett would suddenly revoke this. Complaining about crow's presence has so far achieved nothing for you. In fact, it is part of a wider system of behavior which is leading Brett to consider closing the forum, which you claim to care about a great deal.

It may be time to re-examine cause & effect.

Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 27, 2014, 02:45:52 PM »
The only echo chamber here is caused by those who use the term "echo chamber".

The first post in this thread explained that a major problem with this forum has been that little contribution has emerged from it.

Then certain people show up and say that's perfectly normal, nothing wrong with that, and add they can't think of any problem posters (other than blaming crow).


Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 24, 2014, 11:50:04 PM »
If you're looking for constructive conversation, it's not going to be found in the metal crowd. Period. Most metal heads are fatalists or to some degree drop outs. Fuck em.

If anything, an Amerika.org forum would be far more productive in building a real community around conservatism. Not simply towards the conversation end, but in organizing real community action; the next step after talking and building a loyal readership.

This seems like a good idea: kill this forum, and relegate metal commentary to discussions on the front page. The metal section on this board has almost died out as it is.

It seems like Amerika.org would be the better place to base the rest of it - there's an audience there who's already aware of what you're trying to get at. It could be a way to re-stimulate conversation with a new group who's not of the fatalistic type.

crow's said before that the standards over at amerika are different from dmu. This recent project seems like an attempt to force amerika's standards of discourse on metalheads - it may be more fruitful to just move it all over to amerika and allow the few metalheads who can obverse the rules over there.

The problem with this forum has been it's a holdover from the pre-DMU/amerika split.

Interzone / Re: [META] Activities of our users
« on: February 23, 2014, 06:01:42 AM »
If anyone here has software that plays GuitarPro files, I would appreciate criticism of this piece.

This is good! The death metal influence on the more AHOY MATEY! parts works out well.

What happens during the first section the center guitar pops in? Some of the harmonies sound odd, particularly measures 55-56.

Metal / Re: Imposition - Memento Mori (DM.org user composition)
« on: February 22, 2014, 12:59:56 AM »
Any suggestions for how to get your music heard a bit more around the interwebs?

Burn some churches.

Interzone / Re: The way things are - The way things ought to be
« on: February 21, 2014, 09:21:30 PM »
Sorry just a nitpick here, that isnt true. We dont know anything about crow except what he himself says and does on this forum and other places on the internet.

We know that crow actually exists during this time period and have a contemporaneous record of his observations.

Anyway you got one of those pats (beaks?) on the head so I am sure you said something right.

Did you consider it was a genuine attempt at understanding? My own history with crow hasn't been one of bunnies and roses...

Interzone / Re: Atheism
« on: February 21, 2014, 03:11:01 AM »
I think that it is fruitless to divorce Humanism from Christianity in the history of ideas.

Christianity emerged saying many of the same things as other religions of that time period.

These two seem to be conflicting here, at least as long as the narrative of humanism deriving from a secular conception of Christianity's ethics is upheld. If Christianity is necessarily a humanistic religion, and Christianity bears similarities to other religions of its time, it would seem to follow that the liberal proto-humanistic tendency pre-dates the adoption of it into this specific belief system (BS).

My case: secular humanism is a vehicle aimed at conveying a BS which derives its nature from an impulse towards degeneracy that pre-dates Christianity. There isn't anything specifically post-Christian about it; it is the already-existing belief tendency spread without any metaphysical additions. 

(There might be a challenge that the humanistic can exist only after the belief in anything higher than oneself has vanished, but this isn't much of a challenge: the Jews, and then the Christians, believed that everything is created for humans, which are the highest order of everything which is not divine.)

It just happened to catch on by a stroke of luck.

This seems highly unlikely; anything with the power to convulse humanity would probably have something to it. Obviously, it owes its initial domination to Rome. Why the Romans were willing to abandon their paganism in favor of this creed is a very intriguing question...

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