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Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 10, 2014, 08:37:01 PM »
Do you realize that in the space of 2 weeks you went from lauding my understanding to implying I have none?

Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 10, 2014, 08:25:37 PM »
I am going to react to anyone who chooses to waltz in and declare that his understanding of "God" is the only correct one possible, and other interpretations are not only false, but a sin.

You yourself claimed recently that God and Satan were metaphors.

He knows something you clearly don't, Wild.

Yeah, and so does Bruce Charlton.

Interzone / Re: Why?
« on: March 10, 2014, 08:18:24 PM »
How is any experience not an abstraction?

Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 10, 2014, 07:53:15 PM »
God cannot be 'redefined'. God cannot be a 'metaphor'.

What, are you now going to assert an objective existence of God while simultaneously voiding human linguistic experience?

This statement is absurd.

There's only one sin, really: Thinking that God is otherwise. Thinking that God is somehow capable of being changed by what we may think of him/it.

Sin? Oh dear, it's time for confession.  :-[

Anyways, that which is described by words does not change as the words do; the map is not the territory; the menu is not the meal; this has been made clear many times before...however, in context with my conversations with various people on here it occasionally seems that "God" is a synonym for "reverence towards understanding the structure of reality" - hence my question as to why the term is used.

If you have another understanding, please provide it.

Bear in mind that thinking about God doesn't changed this one way or the other. One can live a perfect life in accordance with his will, without ever having even heard of the word 'God'.

Get behind me, Jesus.

Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 09, 2014, 09:23:48 PM »
You get my point. I'm not trying to argue for a reason to anthropomorphize the universal mechanisms that keep everything the way it is necessarily. I'm just trying to draw a parallel between that immutable set of universal mechanicis and the traditional notion of God. You understand what I'm saying already.

I don't understand - you seem to be saying that there is nothing outside of the structure of that which exists. This is complete blasphemy in relation to the Western traditional notion of God for the last 1500 years.

If "God" is simply a metaphor used by you to denote your observation of universal lavs, why not drop "God" and simply state that you observe universal laws?

I do not understand at all why people feel the urge to redefine "God" into something they can be comfortable with. If one is to use it only as a metaphor, its only achievement is to make conversations needlessly murky.

Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 09, 2014, 06:41:20 PM »
GM foods, irradiation of seeds, cloning, gender-reassignment, nuclear physics, tampering with weather systems, DDT, aggressive promotion of homosexuality, imposition of 'rights', genocide, ecocide, atmospheric space junk...
These things and more tamper with the basic nature of things.
In the long run, of course, reality will reign supreme. But that won't do anything for us, though, or the myriad species rendered extinct by our tampering irresponsibility.

This was a good post.

Progress? That's just regression
Technology? That's nothing new
"Advance!" you scream insanely
"Advance!" from this to what?


Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 09, 2014, 06:30:46 PM »
Thoughts for food:

1. Nietzche's writing predates many of the events that convulsed the 20th century and beyond. Some members of the Perennialist movement began as Nietzcheans and revised their views.

2. Amerika is not ANUS. Expecting a writer to maintain the same views for 20 years is absurd.

3. Those who claim to be against both the far left and far right are suspicious - what are they for? The middling left-global-capitalist consensus? Better to be even a communist!

4. Diagnosing mental illness in long-dead historical characters is a known pastime of leftists.

5. Perpetual victim behavior is a known pastime of leftists.

6. Calling someone a hero does not imply total agreement. Nietzsche's own heroes; he split with them radically on some matters.


That said, there is some relevance to your criticism. If you reformulate it in a non-cuntish manner, perhaps a worthwhile discussion could emerge.  :)

Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 09, 2014, 11:08:50 AM »
The notion of God prevents a man from ever undertaking such reckless craziness.
It is for us to discover the many ways we can make use of the framework that enables us to live.
Messing with the framework itself, is a really bad idea.

What you mean here is understood, however insisting on using religious terminology makes it far more likely to be misconstrued.

It is quite possible to have the temperament described above while rejecting God™ entirely. Similarly, those who profess to know God™'s personal desires are among the least reverent people on Earth.

If everyone defines God™ in a manner that suites them, eventually it becomes vacuous.


What happened to the Nietzsche post? It raised some decent questions concerning the uses (and misuses) of his writing. It looked like it had potential.

It is that ilimit of our capacity to enact change on the universe, where begins God's realm. He may as well have nothing to do with us, then, nor us with him.

Why is it necessary to anthropomorphize the construction of the universe? That humans have limitations in no way suggests that a (male) deity inhabits a "realm".

Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 08, 2014, 03:46:15 AM »
If the person was removed, meaning would neither matter, nor exist.
But since the person exists, so does meaning.
Take away the meaning, and the person may as well not exist.
Maybe there is an inherent flaw in the nihilistic outlook?

Here's the flaw:

The idea that meaning is only a mental abstraction, is still a mental abstraction. Nihilists put their faith in one mental abstraction to reject another. It's incoherent and it's maddening.

Nihilists do not reject meaning. It is rather reframed as a construction that does not exist independently of any being to formulate it.

The above achieves its meaning only when one chooses to apply it.

I am agnostic about agnosticism.

Hubris might let him test the actual bendability of the rules, but God will always be there to remind him of how far rules can actually bend.
When trying to split an atom, how does the notion of "God" contribute anything?

Metal / Re: What bands are you listening to today?
« on: March 07, 2014, 03:29:20 PM »

Interzone / Re: Crimea 2014
« on: March 07, 2014, 03:26:59 PM »
What is freedom?



The privilege of having your laws decided for you in Brussels?

To say otherwise is to render yourself a demon.

Metal / Ildjarn Split was written by Nidhogg
« on: March 02, 2014, 01:47:02 PM »
Regarding the iLDjARN/Hate Forest split "Those Once Mighty Fallen"

iLDjARN has confirmed to me that there's been a mix-up in regards to the source-material for the split on OSMOSE. The songs are my original compositions in their entirety, though uncredited. I think any listener will also recognize the tunes when comparing the two versions. There is, however, no quarrell between me and iLDjARN regarding this, it's a matter between him and OSMOSE.

The prelimenary synth-basses represent parts of what was later to be recorded as guitar and bass.

In the order they were recorded, with original titles, on my ca. '95 sketch-tape.

1. Balders skjebne: 0:00
Link to the split-version (1. song on the LP):
2. Syner: 7:52
Link to the split-version (2. song on the LP):
3. Fimbulsvintre: 13:13
Link to the split-version (3. song on the LP):
4. Garm gjøyr: 16:37
Link to the split-version (4. song on the LP):
5. Det siste slaget: 17:52
Link to split-version (5. song on the LP):
6. Fra øst en elv: 21:39
Link to split-version (6. song on the LP):


Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 27, 2014, 01:37:47 PM »
Nice. Somebody 'get's it'. Good luck trying to communicate it to those that don't.

It took me a long time.

Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 27, 2014, 01:28:51 PM »
My friend I have only spoken up recently regarding this, when multiple bannings and unsubstantiated claims about the behaviour of forum users have reached a fever pitch.

If you're fallot, you were opposed to crow's project from the very beginning.

If you're not him, which one are you? It's starting to become hard to keep track of.

I have no illusions about achieving anything, but I also could not simply leave it alone for reasons I have already elaborated on.

If you don't expect to achieve anything, then why the fuck are you still bothering with it? This is the type of bullshit that is decried in this thread's first post.

Are you able to demonstrate this wider system of behaviour?

Look up.

Are you hinting at me being a problem poster outside of this saga?


Once again, if you are aware of any problem posters, I would like you to name them.

fallot, transcix, umbrage. [notice a pattern here?]

Myself, at times.

And a few others who managed to correct their bullshit. Unsurprisingly, these people are still around.

Lets say I, or any other person that raised an issue regarding crow shut up or disappeared, would that address the complaints in the OP? Would that change anything regarding "useful" output from the forum?

No, but it would make it a lot less goddamn annoying.

Also, could you please answer that as well? What kind of impact do you believe a forum like this can realistically have? What is not being done that can be?

Productive output.

This includes articles, propaganda, and acting like a functional human being.

A lot to ask for.

Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 27, 2014, 11:26:46 AM »
The only echo chamber here is caused by those who use the term "echo chamber".

The first post in this thread explained that a major problem with this forum has been that little contribution has emerged from it.

Then certain people show up and say that's perfectly normal, nothing wrong with that, and add they can't think of any problem posters (other than blaming crow).


Until crow was introduced into the ecosystem, forum "discussion" consisted—in essence for years at a time—of folks endlessly sharing viewpoints that the active forum community already believed.  The "discussion" was congenial and (for the web) erudite, but a congenial, erudite circle jerk is still a circle jerk.  Bring back Nile577.

You must be joking. Post introduction, all communication was overwhelmed by his presence eventually. Also it is entirely "on-message" stuff so that leaves me even more confused as to what you are saying. Most importantly, no one objects to the content.

Let's consider the following:

crow has been granted admin powers over the forum by Brett, who has supported him in his efforts thus far. There's nothing to indicate Brett would suddenly revoke this. Complaining about crow's presence has so far achieved nothing for you. In fact, it is part of a wider system of behavior which is leading Brett to consider closing the forum, which you claim to care about a great deal.

It may be time to re-examine cause & effect.

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