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Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 27, 2014, 07:26:46 PM »
The only echo chamber here is caused by those who use the term "echo chamber".

The first post in this thread explained that a major problem with this forum has been that little contribution has emerged from it.

Then certain people show up and say that's perfectly normal, nothing wrong with that, and add they can't think of any problem posters (other than blaming crow).

Hmm...

Until crow was introduced into the ecosystem, forum "discussion" consisted—in essence for years at a time—of folks endlessly sharing viewpoints that the active forum community already believed.  The "discussion" was congenial and (for the web) erudite, but a congenial, erudite circle jerk is still a circle jerk.  Bring back Nile577.

You must be joking. Post introduction, all communication was overwhelmed by his presence eventually. Also it is entirely "on-message" stuff so that leaves me even more confused as to what you are saying. Most importantly, no one objects to the content.

Let's consider the following:

crow has been granted admin powers over the forum by Brett, who has supported him in his efforts thus far. There's nothing to indicate Brett would suddenly revoke this. Complaining about crow's presence has so far achieved nothing for you. In fact, it is part of a wider system of behavior which is leading Brett to consider closing the forum, which you claim to care about a great deal.

It may be time to re-examine cause & effect.


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Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 27, 2014, 02:45:52 PM »
The only echo chamber here is caused by those who use the term "echo chamber".

The first post in this thread explained that a major problem with this forum has been that little contribution has emerged from it.

Then certain people show up and say that's perfectly normal, nothing wrong with that, and add they can't think of any problem posters (other than blaming crow).

Hmm...

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Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 24, 2014, 11:50:04 PM »
If you're looking for constructive conversation, it's not going to be found in the metal crowd. Period. Most metal heads are fatalists or to some degree drop outs. Fuck em.

If anything, an Amerika.org forum would be far more productive in building a real community around conservatism. Not simply towards the conversation end, but in organizing real community action; the next step after talking and building a loyal readership.

This seems like a good idea: kill this forum, and relegate metal commentary to discussions on the front page. The metal section on this board has almost died out as it is.

It seems like Amerika.org would be the better place to base the rest of it - there's an audience there who's already aware of what you're trying to get at. It could be a way to re-stimulate conversation with a new group who's not of the fatalistic type.

crow's said before that the standards over at amerika are different from dmu. This recent project seems like an attempt to force amerika's standards of discourse on metalheads - it may be more fruitful to just move it all over to amerika and allow the few metalheads who can obverse the rules over there.

The problem with this forum has been it's a holdover from the pre-DMU/amerika split.

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Interzone / Re: [META] Activities of our users
« on: February 23, 2014, 06:01:42 AM »
If anyone here has software that plays GuitarPro files, I would appreciate criticism of this piece.

This is good! The death metal influence on the more AHOY MATEY! parts works out well.

What happens during the first section the center guitar pops in? Some of the harmonies sound odd, particularly measures 55-56.

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Metal / Re: Imposition - Memento Mori (DM.org user composition)
« on: February 22, 2014, 12:59:56 AM »
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Any suggestions for how to get your music heard a bit more around the interwebs?

Burn some churches.

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Interzone / Re: The way things are - The way things ought to be
« on: February 21, 2014, 09:21:30 PM »
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Sorry just a nitpick here, that isnt true. We dont know anything about crow except what he himself says and does on this forum and other places on the internet.

We know that crow actually exists during this time period and have a contemporaneous record of his observations.

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Anyway you got one of those pats (beaks?) on the head so I am sure you said something right.

Did you consider it was a genuine attempt at understanding? My own history with crow hasn't been one of bunnies and roses...


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Interzone / Re: Atheism
« on: February 21, 2014, 03:11:01 AM »
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I think that it is fruitless to divorce Humanism from Christianity in the history of ideas.

Christianity emerged saying many of the same things as other religions of that time period.


These two seem to be conflicting here, at least as long as the narrative of humanism deriving from a secular conception of Christianity's ethics is upheld. If Christianity is necessarily a humanistic religion, and Christianity bears similarities to other religions of its time, it would seem to follow that the liberal proto-humanistic tendency pre-dates the adoption of it into this specific belief system (BS).

My case: secular humanism is a vehicle aimed at conveying a BS which derives its nature from an impulse towards degeneracy that pre-dates Christianity. There isn't anything specifically post-Christian about it; it is the already-existing belief tendency spread without any metaphysical additions. 

(There might be a challenge that the humanistic can exist only after the belief in anything higher than oneself has vanished, but this isn't much of a challenge: the Jews, and then the Christians, believed that everything is created for humans, which are the highest order of everything which is not divine.)

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It just happened to catch on by a stroke of luck.

This seems highly unlikely; anything with the power to convulse humanity would probably have something to it. Obviously, it owes its initial domination to Rome. Why the Romans were willing to abandon their paganism in favor of this creed is a very intriguing question...

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Interzone / Re: The way things are - The way things ought to be
« on: February 21, 2014, 12:00:17 AM »
Walking the plank a bit further:

In regards to the "irrefutable" nature of the process explicated by crow:

Looking at it, it does seem proper that it is, in a sense, irrefutable: he recognizes the change in himself prior to some moment(s) of understanding, and thus achieves a higher state from which he can look back at and compare his prior attempts at understanding. Now, this obviously is the height of subjectivity; which poses a problem for those of us who want to test everything before not-ever-fully trusting it. We cannot know whether he ever had this enlightenment experience, nor what it contained, nor what was actually realized by him.

However, we hold various characters in history in high regard: Lao-tse, Buddha, Jesus [the philosophic compassion of enlightenment aspect, not the liberalism/Christianity™], along with usually unnamed pagan teachers, though identities of some survive, such as among the Greeks. We know far less about these humans than we do about crow, we don't even know whether these people actually existed; however, their ideas confer value to us and we measure their effects upon us as individuals.

To state that all off this is a misapprehension and derives from a psychological pretense seems erroneous, which is probably why crow dismisses those claims without providing any further evidence or explication, as it isn't necessary and wouldn't convince the people who make them anyway.

If we then accept that there is value to this type of attempt to describe an individual's "process of becoming", we must be confronted that when objectively analyzed, there is a common strand running through all of them. We must then use our judgment to determine whether or not this is represented honestly by crow. If it's a deception, at least it's based upon valuable ideas that are worth coming back through again; if it's an honest endeavor, then it retains that while adding far more value of dignity.

Additionally, there isn't an iron hard "THOU SHALLT" coming from any of the afore-mentioned teachers [their followers, on the other hand...]. They "simply" offer their perspective on a similar process of achieving a differing state. There is a large difference in the individuals' beliefs which are additional to the moment of understanding [science, religion, politics, etc]. These people could probably have quite conflicting discussions about all of these areas, all while not denying the original process which led to their understanding. It seems that crow is irritated not by that, but by the method of conversation which denies the understanding can ever occur.

[Insert copy-crow charge here]


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Interzone / Re: The way things are - The way things ought to be
« on: February 20, 2014, 08:47:34 PM »
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I can understand the (unfortunate) need for a moderator, and Crow seems like a nice soul. But the incessant insistence, on his part, of special access to knowledge inaccessible (isn't that just irrefutable as well) to others is a little insulting. You can't refute it, you can't argue with it, because if you don't get it, well that's BECAUSE YOU CAN'T - which is totally self contained and shut off from other people. No wonder this sort of position is a strong one - because by its very nature disagreeing with it in effect validates it.

Is this true, though? If it was inaccessible, there would be no point explaining it to other critters. The point seems to be that it can be made more accessible through x ways, but it can never have full knowledge of it given through language to another. And it evidently isn't self-contained, as numerous references are made to those who had similar experiences and taught about it (particularly Lao-tse). It seems more accurate to say it is an "objective" [used carefully] "experience of becoming" which undergoes a subjective interpretation that is colored by the individual's predisposition/experiences. And as a non-egalitarian, he recognizes that not all people will achieve this, just as some are incapable of understanding quantum physics/etc.

[Insert copy-crow charge here]

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Interzone / Re: My dick.
« on: February 20, 2014, 08:24:12 PM »
Apparently everybody missed this:

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It has a slight and graceful curve to the left

Crow's a leftist!

Ack!

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Interzone / Re: My dick.
« on: February 20, 2014, 07:42:19 PM »
@ all

this is the internet

pics

or

gtfo

 :D

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Interzone / Re: Atheism
« on: February 20, 2014, 07:40:48 PM »
Vigilance:

Is the tendency towards proto-humanism a divorcible element from the Christian tradition?

If not, one could make the argument that the main point of Christianity™ was to provide a metaphysical justification for that pre-existing belief tendency. God's death simply changed how it was explicated and defended.

If it is divorcible, do you think it's been done before / could it be done?

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Interzone / Re: waves and frequencies
« on: February 19, 2014, 06:23:02 AM »

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Interzone / Re: waves and frequencies
« on: February 19, 2014, 06:21:45 AM »

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Interzone / Re: Birdbrain!
« on: February 18, 2014, 06:10:06 AM »


Poor taste?

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