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Interzone / Re: Baby boomer dictionary
« on: September 16, 2013, 09:42:02 PM »
No it doesn't. How does handing your wallet over negate a robbery?

Because it wasn't taken, it was given.

Interzone / Re: Baby boomer dictionary
« on: September 16, 2013, 11:54:06 AM »
Has anyone ever considered that Jesus might have been saying this:
When somebody roughs you up (by slapping your cheek), don't go running off crying, but rather be unmoved by it (by offering the other one).
i.e: What a pussy! Is that the best you got?

The full quote goes like this:

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, spread to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."

So no, I never considered it heroic or manly. Jesus was telling people to act like doormats.

If done from a position of serenity, this approach negates "evil". It doesn't oppose it per se, it simply denies it a space to exist upon you. How many people are capable of it is another question. Nietzsche wrote "there was only ever one Christian, and he died on the cross", and I'm not sure he even got that one right...

Interzone / Re: cat's spirituality
« on: September 16, 2013, 08:25:47 AM »
I would be fine with worshiping a cat.

Interzone / Re: cat's spirituality
« on: September 15, 2013, 06:54:50 PM »
cats > humans

Metal / Re: What happens to underground record collectors
« on: September 15, 2013, 06:53:49 PM »

Metal / Re: What happens to underground record collectors
« on: September 15, 2013, 02:26:18 AM »
I think of porn featuring children.

Metal / Re: What happens to underground record collectors
« on: September 14, 2013, 05:52:49 PM »
Anyone caught with child porn should be executed.

Interzone / Re: Unintentional metaphors for modernity
« on: September 14, 2013, 03:51:27 AM »
We are speaking of nihilism from an outside perspective

Who's "we"?

and we make judgments on values and morals. To us, a nihilist will do things that we find morally objectionable, even if they do not comprehend that judgment.

I don't make judgments on morals. In fact I find morality to be meaningless because it assumes a type of "goodness" or "evilness" present within actions.

Values can be judged and I see no reason why a nihilist would not do so. He simply realizes that they are based on preference.

I don't think Marxists and humanists are "evil". I simply acknowledge that their preferences are in opposition to mine and the type of civilization I want to inhabit.

So, we can say that because a nihilist is not good, he must be evil, because as darkness is absence of light, evil is absence of good, and isn't necessarily (or rarely ever, actually) the choice of the individual for the sake of committing evil.

You could say he's beyond good and evil.

Interzone / Re: Origin of Universe
« on: September 13, 2013, 10:53:33 PM »
Probably the first time I've seen a reference to Futurama on this forum.

I've never been able to see why the universe needs a creator. Infinite regression and all that.

I prefer to think of it as eternal.

Interzone / Re: Unintentional metaphors for modernity
« on: September 13, 2013, 09:38:59 PM »
Evil and lawlesness, hatred, insanity, slavery, and absurd cruelty are (an intrinisc) part of the path of nihilism and if you deny any of the uncomfortable parts, you are neither a nihilist nor do you have a solid understanding of what nihilism entails.

How does ascribing moralistic judgments to a nihilist's actions make sense?


Interzone / Re: An avian definition of Nihilism.
« on: September 12, 2013, 02:14:38 PM »
For humans to be fully human they need to achieve what no humans have yet achieved.

There are a few fully-human humans. They have achieved what the many never will.
Thus Plato's Cave anecdote. They are generally held to be idiots.

No society has yet been fully human.

Older ones were more so than current ones, though they still had flaws as you pointed out. Current society is probably as close to being as un-human as possible, perhaps second to the Soviet Union.

Interzone / Re: Concerning Cavemen...
« on: September 12, 2013, 12:53:30 AM »
When do the caves end?

And what lies beyond?

Interzone / Re: An avian definition of Nihilism.
« on: September 12, 2013, 12:20:48 AM »
For humans to be fully human they need to achieve what no humans have yet achieved.

Übermensch ho!

Interzone / Re: Concerning Cavemen...
« on: September 12, 2013, 12:16:24 AM »
Quote from: Plato
Imagine several prisoners who have been chained up in a cave for all of their lives. They have never been outside the cave. They face a wall in the cave and they can never look at the entrance of the cave. Sometimes animals, birds, people, or other objects pass by the entrance of the cave casting a shadow on the wall inside the cave. The prisoners see the shadows on the wall and mistakenly view the shadows as reality.

However, one man breaks free from his chains and runs out of the cave. For the first time, he sees the real world and now knows that it is far beyond the shadows he had been seeing. He sees real birds and animals, not just shadows of birds and animals.

This man is excited about what he sees and he goes back to his fellow prisoners in the cave to tell them about the real world. But to his astonishment, they don’t believe him. In fact, they are angry with him. They say the shadows are reality and that the escaped prisoner is crazy for saying otherwise.

Some moments I feel like the escapee and am baffled that other people don't understand. I think: "they must be so fucking stupid."

Other occasions I hear something that's obviously true and I think "why didn't that occur to me?"

Yet, there's also the other occasions where I hear something and it seems like it could be profound, but it's difficult to understand at the time. In such moments I react with my club, so to speak.

Those have turned out to be some of the greatest revelations of my life, a few months later.

Being one of the "fellow prisoners" is one of my greatest fears.

Interzone / Re: Concerning amerika.org...
« on: September 11, 2013, 11:33:22 PM »
Us cavemen always had our rights...but sometimes we get agitated and need an elder to come bash our heads together. By talking to us in our own language, it reminds us that there are other avenues of communication. Cavemen can be very important at the right times...but some discourse requires a defter touch.

Message received crow.

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