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Went through this thread and discovered most links are dead and have been marked as such. If any of you characters are still around, it would be appreciated to re-upload. If anyone has any new files to upload, go ahead!

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Interzone / Re: Atheism
« on: January 22, 2014, 04:40:55 PM »
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we aren't observing nature when left to operate on its own

How is possible to remove the observer from what is being observed?

Are roses red?

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While the death of God has us running around frantically trying to justify the meta-Christian ethical system, this event also has us frantically trying to find an explanation of the mechanical cosmos without the involvement of a creator

This is what you're saying:

1. Christianity collapsed. "Atheism" [as if it's a single ideology] has turned to secular humanism in order to perpetuate a continuation of the same ethical system. This part seems accurate.

2. Christianity has been collapsed due to scientific discoveries which render its ontology untenable. Because of this, science is attempting to explain the mysteries of the universe without God. Therefore science is based on Christian ontology.

How can they simultaneously "share ontological views" and yet be in a situation where one has negated the other?

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Interzone / Re: "The poor": kill them
« on: January 21, 2014, 11:01:33 AM »
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Are you suggesting, as I think you are, that each of these two scenarios differ only in factors INSIDE the control of the individual?

No. That's your straw man.

The central part was this: no-one should be obligated to ensure that fairness is absolute. Life is unfair. Deal with it.

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So, if you want to 'kill to poor', then in many many instances you will be holding people responsible for elements outside their control

EVEN WITH WELFARE I COULDN'T SUCCEED BECAUSE MY MOTHER NEVER TUCKED ME IN AT NIGHT. THIS CAUSED A LIFETIME OF PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS THAT I COULDN'T OVERCOME PLEASE DON'T KILL ME!!!!

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Interzone / Re: "The poor": kill them
« on: January 21, 2014, 10:51:18 AM »
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My question is, given the reality of the world before us, how is one to determine the wheat from the chaff when the yardstick (income) is no longer applicable?

In some ways, the yardstick is more potent than it was before - each level of income now requires a higher level of "having shit together"-ness.

I included an edit and the last paragraph directly deals with this. Right now, the people you would be measuring and giving a pass to would be the ones maladapted to reality, as it is and where it is heading.

There is a distinction between those too dysfunctional to earn an income and those who choose to leave the modern economic system behind. This thread was referring to the first group.

Even referring to the latter, the principle remains the same: those who are able to consistently deal with problems and put in enough work will do better than those who don't.

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Interzone / Re: "The poor": kill them
« on: January 20, 2014, 09:58:15 PM »
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My question is, given the reality of the world before us, how is one to determine the wheat from the chaff when the yardstick (income) is no longer applicable?

In some ways, the yardstick is more potent than it was before - each level of income now requires a higher level of "having shit together"-ness.



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Interzone / Re: Atheism
« on: January 20, 2014, 09:49:35 PM »
Atheism is boring. It accepts the same ethics and cosmology as its parent theistic faith.

Ethics; perhaps, (if the Richard Dawkins type is the model under discussion) but cosmology? The difference between stating the universe was created by Jewgod some thousands of years ago in 6 days seems far removed from a billions of years process that arose from random quantum fluctuations.

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Interzone / Re: Atheism
« on: January 20, 2014, 09:46:38 PM »
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The unknown is very much a part of reality and an aspect of reality - it is simply not known.


How can any part of reality be said to be "known" or "unknown" independent of anything that might "know" or "not know" it?

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The atheist mistakenly assumes that if something is not known or cannot be known theoretically, it is not worthy of belief.

This is not as accurate as it could be. Theory without observational evidence is not grounds for belief. If observational evidence is present, then it is safe to consider it valid.

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Once again, a belief in only what the individual or collection of individuals think, know, perceive, or feel.

Do you know of any religion which did not arise and be communicated through what individuals think, know, perceive, or feel?

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something can very well be true without being justified by knowledge

It can also be false.  :)

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Metal / Re: Verted (Croatian death metal)
« on: January 20, 2014, 09:33:23 PM »
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'sides nobody wants to hear metal for rock fans. Metal moved past that a long time ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juthvm7QjuM

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Interzone / Re: "The poor": kill them
« on: January 20, 2014, 09:30:29 PM »
The trajectory of your response to Imposition's statement (which was direct Rawls) pushes in a similar direction.

The real problem is the tendency to excuse an individual's inability to earn an income as being a problem outside of the individual's control that can (or should) be corrected by others.

Some people are not functional enough to earn an income.
Some people are functional enough, but choose not to for various personal reasons/drama.

They do not "have their shit together", to quote Conservationist.
They will earn less than those who do.

Some jobs pay more than others - usually due to the amount of work it takes to perform it.

None of the above is a problem that needs fixing.

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Interzone / Re: Atheism
« on: January 20, 2014, 06:47:37 PM »
Knowledge enlightens. Intelligence is "merely" a possible vehicle and occasional hindrance to that.

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Interzone / Re: "The poor": kill them
« on: January 20, 2014, 06:18:31 PM »
Great response to Rawls' representatives in this thread istaros.  :)

Are Vigilance and Imposition personas of one person? Often, their views are slightly different but the method of discourse is identical.

This forum is like an onion.

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Interzone / Re: Who are the pests?
« on: January 11, 2014, 06:00:54 AM »
It's ok we're all prozak anyway.

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Interzone / Re: animals and lessons
« on: January 11, 2014, 05:58:12 AM »
Spiders are great. Elegant creatures and a joy to watch. Similar to felines in the regard. Jumping spiders especially seem quite mammal-like.

In regards to the web analogy, I'm inclined to say the human mind is confined to a space: the skull which holds our brains in place.

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