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Interzone / Re: No God, no Satan.
« on: February 16, 2014, 05:22:35 PM »
If God is defined as moving in a way compatible with reality and Satan is defined as an opposition to that, then of course "following God" would be the correct course of action.

The problem is Christians don't define it that way, if they ever did.

Their God is an unreal god, whom they turn to when they cannot stomach reality and want to wish it away, usually in context of pain and suffering. Satan then ends up as representing the force of reality, undisturbed by human bullshit, which is why so many death metal and black metal bands (which were reality-based) used him as an avatar.

These metaphors derive meaning and purpose only by how humans infuse them - different groups in different times can come up with reversed values concerning the same metaphors.

Interzone / Praise Bob!
« on: February 09, 2014, 02:09:04 AM »

Audiofile / Haven In Shadows
« on: January 31, 2014, 06:07:45 PM »
Haven In Shadows
Haven In Shadows MP3s

"Melancholic Finnish black metal which attempts to answer the question posed by the original wave of
black metal: 'What have we forgotten and how can we recall it?' Meditative at heart, this is something lost within the current generation of black metal and is worth rediscovering again."

Haven In Shadows

Legend of the Wolf (1995)

Haven In Shadows - Legend of the Wolf (1995, senditz)

Interzone / Re: Accidentally vegan
« on: January 28, 2014, 06:37:47 PM »
Did you make an account just to talk about veganism?

Did you make an account to complain about vegans?

If you bother to look at his profile, you'll see he's been around for years. So, no.

Metal / Re: What happened to Ildjarn
« on: January 25, 2014, 03:32:16 PM »
Do we have any confirmation that this fellow is Nidhogg?

Went through this thread and discovered most links are dead and have been marked as such. If any of you characters are still around, it would be appreciated to re-upload. If anyone has any new files to upload, go ahead!

Interzone / Re: Atheism
« on: January 22, 2014, 08:40:55 AM »
we aren't observing nature when left to operate on its own

How is possible to remove the observer from what is being observed?

Are roses red?

While the death of God has us running around frantically trying to justify the meta-Christian ethical system, this event also has us frantically trying to find an explanation of the mechanical cosmos without the involvement of a creator

This is what you're saying:

1. Christianity collapsed. "Atheism" [as if it's a single ideology] has turned to secular humanism in order to perpetuate a continuation of the same ethical system. This part seems accurate.

2. Christianity has been collapsed due to scientific discoveries which render its ontology untenable. Because of this, science is attempting to explain the mysteries of the universe without God. Therefore science is based on Christian ontology.

How can they simultaneously "share ontological views" and yet be in a situation where one has negated the other?

Interzone / Re: "The poor": kill them
« on: January 21, 2014, 03:01:33 AM »
Are you suggesting, as I think you are, that each of these two scenarios differ only in factors INSIDE the control of the individual?

No. That's your straw man.

The central part was this: no-one should be obligated to ensure that fairness is absolute. Life is unfair. Deal with it.

So, if you want to 'kill to poor', then in many many instances you will be holding people responsible for elements outside their control


Interzone / Re: "The poor": kill them
« on: January 21, 2014, 02:51:18 AM »
My question is, given the reality of the world before us, how is one to determine the wheat from the chaff when the yardstick (income) is no longer applicable?

In some ways, the yardstick is more potent than it was before - each level of income now requires a higher level of "having shit together"-ness.

I included an edit and the last paragraph directly deals with this. Right now, the people you would be measuring and giving a pass to would be the ones maladapted to reality, as it is and where it is heading.

There is a distinction between those too dysfunctional to earn an income and those who choose to leave the modern economic system behind. This thread was referring to the first group.

Even referring to the latter, the principle remains the same: those who are able to consistently deal with problems and put in enough work will do better than those who don't.

Interzone / Re: "The poor": kill them
« on: January 20, 2014, 01:58:15 PM »
My question is, given the reality of the world before us, how is one to determine the wheat from the chaff when the yardstick (income) is no longer applicable?

In some ways, the yardstick is more potent than it was before - each level of income now requires a higher level of "having shit together"-ness.

Interzone / Re: Atheism
« on: January 20, 2014, 01:49:35 PM »
Atheism is boring. It accepts the same ethics and cosmology as its parent theistic faith.

Ethics; perhaps, (if the Richard Dawkins type is the model under discussion) but cosmology? The difference between stating the universe was created by Jewgod some thousands of years ago in 6 days seems far removed from a billions of years process that arose from random quantum fluctuations.

Interzone / Re: Atheism
« on: January 20, 2014, 01:46:38 PM »
The unknown is very much a part of reality and an aspect of reality - it is simply not known.

How can any part of reality be said to be "known" or "unknown" independent of anything that might "know" or "not know" it?

The atheist mistakenly assumes that if something is not known or cannot be known theoretically, it is not worthy of belief.

This is not as accurate as it could be. Theory without observational evidence is not grounds for belief. If observational evidence is present, then it is safe to consider it valid.

Once again, a belief in only what the individual or collection of individuals think, know, perceive, or feel.

Do you know of any religion which did not arise and be communicated through what individuals think, know, perceive, or feel?

something can very well be true without being justified by knowledge

It can also be false.  :)

Metal / Re: Verted (Croatian death metal)
« on: January 20, 2014, 01:33:23 PM »
'sides nobody wants to hear metal for rock fans. Metal moved past that a long time ago.


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