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Interzone / Re: Representation of male feminsm
« on: August 15, 2013, 05:06:20 PM »
Mental illness could well be described in this context, as holding the conviction that it is the individual's right to offend people publicly, and that any offense taken by the majority is offensive to the individual.

My initial reaction is to say that is too generalized and inflexible but, upon examining my motives, I realize I can *not* truthfully say that.

Nevertheless I'm waiting to hear an explanation from the scientific biological perspective, since this is where things are supposed to be grounded when we use terms that were spawned in scientific biology like "gender identity" and "mental illness".

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Interzone / Re: Pop culture's greatest (s)hits
« on: August 15, 2013, 04:57:17 PM »
Can't believe no one here has had the misfortune to hear the White Girl Mob.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jAsip3zJJY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt0C7yVhkaY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WJFjXtHcy4

These are some of the main reasons I want to commit suicide.

Alright, I watched 43 seconds of that first video and that's all I'm willing to waste. My question: Truthfully, what is so bad about this? Do you identify at any level with the people who make or enjoy this music? Do you have high expectations of them? Does this music have any influence on people that you care about? Or is it just an encapsulated representation of the hateful things that humans do generally? Clearly you are never going to get around to suicide if this is your main reason; I can give you some more substantial reasons if you are interested.

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Interzone / Re: Representation of male feminsm
« on: August 15, 2013, 04:50:42 PM »
even then we have to admit that gender is multi-faceted and not some binary thing.

Sorry? What? Where has this idea come from? There is the male gender, there is the female gender and then there is dysfunction. Now dysfunction can be quite colourful and variable sure, but that doesnt mean gender is multi-faceted, it means mental illness is. In any case, the modern discourse about it is completely divorced from the study of this stuff as a problem, due to hurt feelings syndrome.

Take transsexuals for instance; they occur in two broad types, extremely low T, homosexual males who are passive to such an extreme degree that they take on the female identity and autogynephiles, who fetishize women to the point where they gain sexual gratification from seeing themselves as women (this is the source of the stories about burly military guys suddenly finding the female inside). The shallowness of the autogynephile change is hinted at by the sexual preference of these people, they remain 100% heterosexual (they call themselves lesbians!). To transsexual activists, this description is anathema, because they have constructed a different perspective to explain the issue away, one which you seem to share for some unfathomable reason.

There is a breath of sensibly fresh air. It would be more useful without the ad hominems. (My spell-checker just tried to tell me that "hominem" was not a word, suggesting, instead, "Eminem". What in the actual hell?) Maybe we can explore the definitions of a mental disorder in this context of gender identity, and you can explain what it is that makes a man who think he is a woman mentally ill rather than just being unjustly fated?

I am with you so far, I just want to see where you can take this.

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Metal / Re: Expendable and disposable art
« on: August 15, 2013, 02:22:16 PM »
it is *something* new and that is what matters most.

Novelty as creativity, take me now lord!

Where do you draw the line?

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Interzone / Re: Hello, I am new to the forum, but old to this site.
« on: August 15, 2013, 02:16:54 PM »
Welcome from a fellow ex-lurker. I wonder how many other vultures are circling.

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Interzone / Re: Representation of male feminsm
« on: August 15, 2013, 02:11:51 PM »
Maybe this a perfect time to let this thread die, but I always gotta ride that knife edge, ya know?

I'm going to take crow's position, blast it entirely out of proportion with wanton arrogance, and say discrimination is useful on a biological/evolutionary scale. If we allow minorities, who are essentially powerless to do much except complain about the unfairness of being a minority, to dictate the way we make value judgments on their contributions to society, then what are we doing to humans in the long run? Is that more harmful or helpful? Or, is it just a thing that's going to happen? It seems to me that, at worst, it causes a few to suffer so that more will be better off in the future. Is that wrong? I say no. I am in direct opposition to most western social ideals, but who is winning, them or me?

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Interzone / Re: Representation of male feminsm
« on: August 14, 2013, 04:49:38 PM »

In this case I feel less sympathy for the women and more shame for my fellow men.

Your pride and conviction in manhood seems rather delicate to be so easily shamed.

Call me a hopeless romantic.

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Interzone / Re: Representation of male feminsm
« on: August 14, 2013, 04:48:58 PM »
Male feminists are right down at the bottom of the septic tank.

If Mr. Schwyzer is truly "the most despicable boot-licking opportunist wretch" then I doubt he's a good representation of all men sympathetic towards feminism.

Women are usually too easy to take advantage of. Maybe that's because they lack critical thinking skills that more men are genetically equipped with. I don't know the reason but it is a shameful thing to watch a woman fall for these kind of ploys.

It's ridiculous to use this isolated incident as an argument that women are less discerning than men; especially considering that Schwyzer was marketing himself primarily to women, so it's highly unlikely that he would have deceived lots men. Many arguments can be made in favor of women, for example in the third world if you give a woman money they are more likely to invest it wisely rather than spend it on drugs or weapons (or women). But ultimately we're all individuals, nobody's fundamentally defined by gender roles, wouldn't you agree?

In this case I feel less sympathy for the women and more shame for my fellow men.

Your pride and conviction in manhood seems rather delicate to be so easily shamed.

Nobody is fundamentally defined by gender roles : I agree. "Gender roles" are culturally defined and therefore possible to destruct.

Everyone is fundamentally defined by gender, though. Disagree with this? You must submit to the idea of that all people are in essence a "blank slate"; you must admit to the idea of a non-physical persona; you must admit to superstition. Genetic history defines at least as much if not more than cultural influence. If anything, cultural influence is more fragile.

I agree that is is "ridiculous to use this isolated incident as an argument that women are less discerning than men". Why would you do that?  :)

Unfortunately, I have too much experience with this sort of warped post-feminism bullshit because I spent most of my youth involved in punk and hardcore music and those scenes are riddled with this sort of idiocy.

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Metal / Re: Expendable and disposable art
« on: August 14, 2013, 04:39:29 PM »
I get excited for bands like Portal and Deathspell Omega who fall into this sort of category (post-metal is probably an accurate term but it sounds stupid as hell) because I get excited for the actual musical development and these guys are uncovering some interesting territories.

I am myself addressing the Deathspell Omega question. But as I listen to Paracletus I have a feeling of confusion. When it is not basically and honestly speaking alt rock that is being played (which is often), there are fragments of music which, on their own, are quite amazing. However i am fearing that all these fragments fit together like all the -core stuff we criticise; that is, badly. I feel no overall sense of direction in the narrative.

And i am fearing that their 'ideology' is pure wankery. "metaphysical satanism" indeed.

The idea of "metaphysical" Satanism is fairly well thought-out but poorly named. As with any reference to Satanism, most people will automatically jump to the thought of Satan as the antagonist to Christianity, where in fact the DSO guys are trying to present a picture of powers and forces that move beyond the Devil/God duality (much like Crowley's work, often misunderstood when seen through the warped lens of dualism that the West is so wrapped up in) . This is really the fault of those who choose to reference Satan in their ideas but it is unfortunate because a lot of the ideas are fairly unique and streamlined. A poor choice of word, "satan". In short, it is basically worship of chaos, which is legitimate today as science has revealed to us underlying universal motivators like entropy and Heisenberg's principle of uncertainty (which, without, our universe wouldn't exist).

Truthfully though the theological context in which they present their ideas is hit-or-miss depending whether references to Satan get a person excited, and those that are excited by a "Satanic" presentation are usually not prepared to set aside their conditioned dualism and contemplate truths that simply "are".

As for the composition on a pure level; I really don't think they fit their (admittedly disparate) influences together badly. Confusing, surely, but that is what happens when completely new ideas are introduced. They have to spring from an already solidified framework. If alt-rock and late black metal are the aperture from which they construct their new content, so be it. It is not a smooth fusion, to be sure, but it is *something* new and that is what matters most.

Annihiliation:

First, you say that art is essentially a translation of abstract ideas. It begins as a pure idea that is translated and presented in a relatable context. That, I think, is an insightful starting point.

In the translation process, however, there must be "impurities" introduced into the originally pure ideas. This is due to the fact that no two individuals can possibly achieve the same pure understanding on the most basic level (and this is true because, for such a thing to happen, the atomic configuration of your brain would have to be precisely identical to mine, and we know that such a thing does not occur). Therefore, the "art" that we get is really a diluted, impure, and/or mutated form of the original pure idea.

This means, then, that the art, upon creation, becomes an entity of sorts that exists independently of its creator. Whether or not it serves the creator's purpose or function is still relevant at this point, but depending on the depth of abstraction, it is possible that the art will be "misinterpreted" or reveal new ideas to other individuals. Then, those individuals who experience the art not as a direct interpretation of another's ideas, may treat the art as it's own entity that deserves to be nourished and mutated further.

So it seems to me that this is what is happening with death metal currently. The core ideas have already been presented with as much lucidity and clarity as possible by the originators; now, it has been long enough that the ideas (relevant or not) have been diluted as the music itself has passed from mind to mind and been diluted/mutated further.

So, Portal really has nothing worth "saying" in terms of presenting new criticisms of humanity's behavior or suggesting alternate paths for humanity, and they shouldn't need to; "preaching to the choir". Nevertheless, the actual physical mechanisms that the musicians employ are allowed to continue evolving, degenerating, or mutating, because those styles and techniques now exist independently of the original ideologies espoused by originary death metal bands. And, that very manner of treating the musical techniques as worthy of developing on their own, independent of ideology, is how death metal got started in the first place. Therefore, we can expect something new to emerge eventually.

tl;dr - I'm a composer who is excited by unconventional music. Portal makes me horny.

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Metal / Re: Help Fund a New Obituary Album
« on: August 13, 2013, 02:29:06 PM »
Kickstarter is actually a great idea. Like all powerful tools, the foolish people will abuse it to no end. But, for artists and musicians that make non-mainstream products, it works well because there are enough dedicated fans out there that are perfectly willing to submit a small amount of money to have more of that product that is unavailable otherwis (either because the artists would be forced to compromise on their product or be denied any funding in the first place).

Maybe in the future, useful and insightful research projects can get off the ground if an interested public considers them relevant enough to fund. I'm not a scientist or researcher but I know how difficult it can be to find funding for projects and how many potentially useful studies have been permanently grounded due to lack of funding (because funding comes from corporations, and corporations will not fund any research that runs contrary to their claims,which limits the types of research projects available).

Meanwhile, Obituary... Good luck guys. Probably just a funny coincidence, but didn't their guitarist go to prison recently for having a meth lab in his house? Maybe it was ex-guitarist... The guy who played with Death for a while? Anyway, they could probably ramp up some funds pretty quickly with meth production.

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Interzone / Re: Disorder inspires imaginative ideas
« on: August 12, 2013, 09:31:20 PM »
I do not like to draw or write music when there is something that needs done (say I have unwashed dishes or clothes). Even if the mess is not in sight, the  thought that I am procrastinating disturbs my ability to open up my valves and let ideas flow freely.

However, there are times when an idea hits with such intensity that it doesn't matter at all what's going on around me - I could be in the middle of dinner, relaxing outside, or having a conversation - I must sit down at my keayboard or guitar and play, regardless of the surrounding level of organization or activity.

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Interzone / Re: Pop culture's greatest (s)hits
« on: August 12, 2013, 09:15:24 PM »
That's me,  the party pooper.

I would indicate that you shouldn't need to study trash if you spend enough time studying treasure. The difference makes itself obvious.

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Interzone / Re: Representation of male feminsm
« on: August 12, 2013, 06:28:55 PM »
I've always felt that treachery was the worst of the worst attributes a human could have.
Male feminists are right down at the bottom of the septic tank.

Ranking sins in a heirarchy has always been a weird concept to me, but you are exactly right.

Women are usually too easy to take advantage of. Maybe that's because they lack critical thinking skills that more men are genetically equipped with. I don't know the reason but it is a shameful thing to watch a woman fall for these kind of ploys. In this case I feel less sympathy for the women and more shame for my fellow men.

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Interzone / Re: Pop culture's greatest (s)hits
« on: August 12, 2013, 06:02:58 PM »
Asking if there was a point was stupid of me. I meant, "what sort of constructive result can we expect from this venture?" If the point is to remind ourselves how much smarter we are than most people, then, we've accomplished that immediately and any further contributions are cruel or masturbatory.

Not that I'm condemning cruelty or masturbation. Let's just be aware of how much of a pompous circle jerk this is.

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Metal / Re: Expendable and disposable art
« on: August 12, 2013, 03:57:58 PM »
I think you have found a really useful perspective on art and communication.

It seems possible and likely that metal as we know and love it has passed its stage of being relevant and communicating something crucial. Now that the style and techniques are established, we see bands with less "purpose" or "direction"; they are exploring the boundaries of the style and techniques. I get excited for bands like Portal and Deathspell Omega who fall into this sort of category (post-metal is probably an accurate term but it sounds stupid as hell) because I get excited for the actual musical development and these guys are uncovering some interesting territories. Maybe they are not unique and relevant like metal was pre-1998, but to see classic metal techniques become refocused, diffused, warped, bastardized, and subverted is very interesting to me. I'm probably in the minority here though.

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