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Interzone / Re: Who attends this forum?
« on: October 31, 2013, 11:30:09 PM »
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I called you arrogant because all of us in agreement with the spirit of this website come off as arrogant, because we are more selective with our music.

So you think preferring quality music is indicative of an over-inflated sense of self-importance.

Ideally, no.  But it often implies that as we are very aware of it.

Let me ask you something, do you feel proud of your "preferring quality music"?

Haven't many people in this forum constantly expressed themselves as superior to others because of it?

Whether this sense of self-importance is OVER-inflated o not is a matter of actually being able to select better quality music.  We may be trying really hard to choose quality music, and as far as the standard we think we follow this may be true, but what makes you so sure this is so? 
I know this is true for me.  I know to a certain degree what I consider quality music is subject to my own subjective and skewed views.  That's inevitable.  So I see this as an ever-changing, ever-growing ability or opinion.  I keep trying to learn more.

I think this little bit of arrogance is necessary to have a standard for quality in anything in a world where everybody is conformist and mediocre and you are trying to break out of it.  It is arrogant because to some point you may be wrong, you just think you are choosing the correct thing.   Many times, I'm sure this is the case.

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Interzone / Coursera History of Rock pt2
« on: October 31, 2013, 05:00:54 PM »

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Interzone / Re: Who attends this forum?
« on: October 31, 2013, 04:39:11 PM »
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Btw, I expected some more motivation and serious answers.  But the replies say a lot about the crowd around here, sort of disappointing after seeing everybody being so arrogant about their taste in music.

What does this say about you?

I may not have expressed myself clearly.  Sorry for that.

About me? It says I expected more direct answers.  I think only one guy took me seriously, haha.

I was more curious about the guy who calls people arrogant when they don't respond to his satisfaction.

I didn't call you arrogant because you did not respond to my satisfaction.

I called you arrogant because all of us in agreement with the spirit of this website come off as arrogant, because we are more selective with our music.  I expect that people who are so serious about it would also give me serious answers when I ask a direct question, specially one so simple. Does that make sense?

PS. I'm including myself in the group of "arrogant" people.

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Interzone / Re: Who attends this forum?
« on: October 31, 2013, 02:30:23 PM »
I was studying Computer Engineering until I lost all motivation, failed all my courses, and dropped out. I took a while off, and I'm currently re-taking a few courses while working as a cashier full-time. If I didn't hate cashiering so much I'd likely not have returned at all.

Besides that, I've been reading lots of Lovecraft, playing Smash Bros Melee competitively, and working out, loathe it though I do. I was given an acoustic guitar a couple months ago by a family friend, so I've been practicing that, mostly playing nostalgic songs from N64 games. I'm not the ubermensch that metal demands of me, but I don't think I'm the aspie you might think I am, either. I'm just an average depressed nerd, I suppose.

Also, what is it with all the computer science metalheads, and why are there none at my university in particular? Never had a conversation about metal in person in my life.

Yeah, I know! I guess it's just because a lot of people hanging out on the internet in forums tend to study computer-related majors? so it would appear as if there are a lot of computer science metalheads.  But yeah, not in my school, at least not serious metalheads, only the kind that get to the most mainstream Megadeth albums, and that's their limit.

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Interzone / Re: Who attends this forum?
« on: October 31, 2013, 02:23:44 PM »
Arrogant? I see it as people that have standards to the art form.

It's nice to have a place to talk about music without having personal accomplishments (or lack of) stigmatizing the information that's being relayed.

Sure, but there is still some arrogance in it. And I expected some answers that would tell me something of why you have such strict views. 
Also, I am not separating myself from "the people here".  I share this view of being selective with art. 

I did not mean to stigmatize anyone or show off any accomplishment.  I merely wanted to get an idea of the general background of people around here and if they actually have dreams/goals in art, either art they want to produce or art the expect or would wish to hear. 
The discussion could lead in all directions.  This was my intention.

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Interzone / Re: Who attends this forum?
« on: October 31, 2013, 02:20:42 PM »
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Btw, I expected some more motivation and serious answers.  But the replies say a lot about the crowd around here, sort of disappointing after seeing everybody being so arrogant about their taste in music.

What does this say about you?

I may not have expressed myself clearly.  Sorry for that.

About me? It says I expected more direct answers.  I think only one guy took me seriously, haha.

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Interzone / Re: Who attends this forum?
« on: October 31, 2013, 01:02:42 PM »

...I learned acoustic guitar during my teen years and have been learning electric guitar for about 5 years.   In order to be more than a talker I try to keep my weekly practice at at least 5 hours distributed throughout the whole week...


You'll have to do better than that :)
I played acoustic guitar for about 30 years, in all, and for many of those years, practiced 12 hours a day, every day.
I got pretty good. Here's an anomaly: whoever uploaded this to YouTube thinks it's Clapton, while others think it's Knoppfler. Some even claim it's Mason Williams, who wrote it. But it isn't any of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55A9H-PqOvY

Played, incorrectly, missing out the middle eight, with only two fingers and a thumb, on a Martin D-35.
Dat is de crow!
Haha  :)

Certainly will have to do better than that, I am just saying I try to keep the minimum at 5 hours per week, when I am too busy to actually concentrate on that. 

Btw, I expected some more motivation and serious answers.  But the replies say a lot about the crowd around here, sort of disappointing after seeing everybody being so arrogant about their taste in music.

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Interzone / Who attends this forum?
« on: October 31, 2013, 05:30:00 AM »
I'd like to know, just out of curiosity, the academic background of the people who frequently attend this forum. And your interests.  Specially artistic interests in which you are actively engaged?

I have just obtained my undergrauate degree on Computer Science.
I learned acoustic guitar during my teen years and have been learning electric guitar for about 5 years.   In order to be more than a talker I try to keep my weekly practice at at least 5 hours distributed throughout the whole week.
I've been learning piano for a few months and I study music theory, history and appreciation when I get the chance, as often as I can in between work, instrument practice and gym sessions.

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Metal / Re: Metal nourishes plants
« on: October 30, 2013, 04:01:16 AM »
Good to know those famous experiments saying Heavy Metal is bad for living beings was complete bullshit.  I guess it's probably the excessive volume and having an electrical machine vibrating close to the plant what can actually affect it negatively.

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Metal / Re: Back Door To Asylum (Tech death from Moscow, Russia)
« on: October 29, 2013, 05:50:22 AM »
Listened to Embrace the Pain and then to 2013's Inception to Genocide.
The second one sounds like an improvement over the first one, which is atrocious.
The second one itself sound alright, I guess.

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Interzone / Re: Suggestions
« on: October 29, 2013, 04:52:25 AM »
Several articles are posted weekly, many monthly. Yet there is no way of accessing many of those old articles .  A lot of them are not added to any of the links up there that say "Articles".  The last one added to the list is dated December 22, 2012.

Also, where the hell do all the reviews go?  The only ones in the list are the old ones, plus a couple of new ones like Heresiarch were added. And I think Nile was removed (Nile was there before, right?).  It would be nice to have a place explaining the criteria for adding or not adding the reviews to the list, and who do some of them come to be removed.  Is their a council? is there only one person deciding? how arbitrary is this?

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Metal / Re: Massacra re-issues
« on: October 29, 2013, 03:56:39 AM »
Can't wait to see these albums out again and finally have the chance to own them!

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Interzone / Re: Subjects in death metal lyrics
« on: October 28, 2013, 04:37:12 PM »
This is a great thread!

A lot of Death Metal in 90s is actually about Power and the unavoidable Death in any form.  As a secondary yet very prolific topic, there is madness/insanity.  Either literal or as a form of desperation caused by either our close-minded and plastic society or your own inner tribulations.

If I remember correctly Suffocation's debut is about Death, and every song taken literally could be read in a tongue-in-cheek manner or could be seen as an attempt to take Death as a real topic, forcing the audience to face it and think about it.

Gorguts sings about death and insanity in their second album, and about power in their fourth album.  I haven't taken a look at Obscura's lyrics.  I should go over them again.

At the Gates writes almost exclusively about introspection and the possible insanity found in certain moments of these journeys into your own mind.  I recommend you go over the excellent lyrics of the first two albums.  I am not familiar with the lyrics of the last two.  Tompa is a great vocalist and lyrics writer, in my opinion.

Great observation, my mind just glossed over At the Gates but there are definitely some great lyrics on The Red... Do you know of any other lyrics that express that kind of fear/elation mixed reaction in discovering the ever-present threat of lurking insanity?

Also in what way is power glorified by what specific bands? That's an interesting concept I've not heard a lot of. The only examples I can think of are the boring "I'm gonna kill you" lyrics that retard brutal bands use too regularly.

Well, any lyrics that imply domination/conquest of something, are about power. Early Vader would revere the ancients in some of their lyrics.  This adoration, I would say, is also an adoration of the great power these ancients (whoever they are) wielded.  A yearning to obtain a glimpse of that greatness too.  That is combined with an introspection of the self, I think.

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Strange visions dreams my mind,
When I'm walking through the night,
Each time I see the visage of the moon,
Dead cities amongst the sands,
Under the black abyss of seas,
Does madness seize my soul?
The elder race,
From beyond the stars,
Eternal watchers,
Of sphere of no return,
Seven seals,
Of seven mighty gates,
Abominations,
That come true within me.
  -- Vader Dark Age

Gorguts does this without the soul-searching aura of Vader, and this particular one is more bent on adoration  of ancients alone:
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Relics captured in stratas
For millennia, have been sleeping
Secrets of buried scriptures
Are whispered through the sound of wind

Kingdoms or dormant splendors
For millenia, have been sinking
Speaches of buried surfaces
Are roaming through the seas of sand

Realms, once back to light
Archa-speaches are told
Realms brought back to sight
Archapolis beholded

Rising the fragments
Signs of previous lives
Told to the present
Lores of ancient times

Unspeakable beauties
Ruins of fabled places
Soiled testimonies
Of ancestor races
Gorguts Unearthing the Past

On power alone:
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Gain through terror
Maintained the growth of my empire
Pain caused by anger
Maintained the fall of their empires

Blinding, is, my crown
Fearless, is, my throne
Your land... I will make my own
Gorguts The Quest for Equilibrium


Amorphis' The Karelian Isthmus album is about a folk epic.   What are epics but not tales of adventure, worship of the ancient and stories of grandeur and power?
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As the sun falls down
and the swell crashes into the shore

The great warriors of doom and wind
ride high
Silent is the silence,
the only breathing of horses sound,
Cold northern steel, shining blade, pleases us
And we all live under the black mark
Amorphis Warrior's Trail

You could go on finding examples of power worship all over heavy metal in general.  But in Death Metal it is a bit more detached, and displayed in a dark tone:

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DEATH WARRIORS WITHOUT FEAR
DESTROYING ALL AROUND
NOW YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE
ETERNAL GHOSTS OF WAR
  Massacra Apocalyptic Warriors

I like the dark/epic/mystic that Death Metal adds to the atmosphere to the power/adventure/ancient worship themes.

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Metal / Re: anus.com top 15 death metal albums torrent!
« on: October 28, 2013, 11:50:11 AM »
Already own 'em all but I'll seed for a while, spread the word!

Also I suggest putting some anus.com texts/propaganda into future torrents like this.

I thought of that until after... don't know if i can modify the torrent contents or just make a new one, I'll look into it in a few hours.
I'll definitely do that for the Black Metal one.  Upload each album together with its anus.com review. And.. what else? the articles therein? links to the website? suggestions?

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Interzone / Re: Subjects in death metal lyrics
« on: October 27, 2013, 04:19:48 AM »
This is a great thread!

A lot of Death Metal in 90s is actually about Power and the unavoidable Death in any form.  As a secondary yet very prolific topic, there is madness/insanity.  Either literal or as a form of desperation caused by either our close-minded and plastic society or your own inner tribulations.

If I remember correctly Suffocation's debut is about Death, and every song taken literally could be read in a tongue-in-cheek manner or could be seen as an attempt to take Death as a real topic, forcing the audience to face it and think about it.

Gorguts sings about death and insanity in their second album, and about power in their fourth album.  I haven't taken a look at Obscura's lyrics.  I should go over them again.

At the Gates writes almost exclusively about introspection and the possible insanity found in certain moments of these journeys into your own mind.  I recommend you go over the excellent lyrics of the first two albums.  I am not familiar with the lyrics of the last two.  Tompa is a great vocalist and lyrics writer, in my opinion.


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