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Metal / Re: Obscura vrs From Wisdom to Hate
« on: December 24, 2013, 06:14:33 PM »
I have no interest at all in listening to it. Prior to the newest album, it was the only item in their catalog I avoided.

That's their debut album for me...

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Metal / Re: Obscura vrs From Wisdom to Hate
« on: December 24, 2013, 10:30:09 AM »
I find FWTH more impressive than Obscura. It is slightly more direct, and delivers its payload more efficiently. There are some ripping songs. There is more of a classical influence.

Obscura doesn't resolve enough. There are not enough conclusions.

Thank you. I need to learn to verbalize my impressions more efficiently.
You describe my precise thoughts the first few times I listened to Obscura after I was able to bear its aesthetics.
At the moment I enjoy the album more than ever, but what you just said remains my impartial opinion of it.

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Interzone / Re: Nature and anti-art
« on: December 24, 2013, 08:44:50 AM »
Starting to browse O9A...
On the surface it seems something I would like to know and follow, just to at least help myself to bring more structure and discipline to my movement towards goals and my mental development.
I hope there is more substance to it than the mere gibberish outsiders tend to think these philosophical currents have.

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Metal / Re: Obscura vrs From Wisdom to Hate
« on: December 24, 2013, 06:40:22 AM »
It took me a long time to "get" FWTH. It is very consistently structured, not predictable, not virtuousic to the extent of flashy. Still, not as warped or spirit-stirring as the first two albums. More solidly composed, perhaps, but is too intellectually distanced from the guts and gristle that was Considered Dead.

Yes, I feel it is something similar to Altars of Madness versus Blessed are the Sick.

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Obscura is either shallower than everyone makes it out to be, or so impenetrably deep that I still haven't wrapped my mind around it.

That's what i thought at fist too.
At the present I can listen to it pleasantly and I think I can appreciate it greatly. I still continue to listen to it and my impression of it is as a rough diamond.  A jagged-shaped and in a way not proportional natural beauty.  FWtH brings human intellect, measure, sense of proportion and measure into that and crafts that rough diamond.


This is what Luc Lemay has said about it (more than once):

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When we sat down to write for "Obscura" we deliberately made an effort to not do such things as the fast Slayer beats, no more fast picking riffs and other ideas found on our second album "Erosion to Sanity". So we forced ourselves to create a new musical language to use for "Obscura" but that album was just a first draft of this new language if you will. It's like a child learning a language for the first time, the will to express themselves is there but the outcome is somewhat simplistic at first. But with "From Wisdom to Hate" and now "Colored Sands", we have more experience with this new language and therefore can better express ourselves with a widened vocabulary than on our first attempt back on the "Obscura" album. I think that's why people who have just heard "Colored Sands" first then going backwards in our catalog don't hear the albums the same way as when they each came out.

I do think that the new album lacks a metal direction and that 50% of it feels like filler to me, though.
Apart from that, that is his personal view on what Obscura was. 
And I completely agree with it when I hear FWtH after it.

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Metal / Obscura vrs From Wisdom to Hate
« on: December 22, 2013, 09:59:30 AM »
Obscura is an exciting and futuristic exploration.  It was written by Gorguts the year RIGHT after The Erosion of Sanity came out.  It has all kinds of sounds, structural variation and sound experiments.  But in my opinion it is also over-extended to the point of redundancy and sometimes lacking (or making me feel it lacks) enough development of some ideas.

"From Wisdom to Hate" is matured Gorguts. Best album by this band.

Too subtle for even most fans of the band to appreciate as their most refined work. Most get distracted by the over-abundant (and redundant) fireworks that Obscura present them with and fail to see how it falls short of the directed and concise work of art "From Wisdom to Hate" is.

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Metal / Re: What Band are you listening today?
« on: December 22, 2013, 02:10:45 AM »
Bathory- Blood, Fire, Death
Samael - Worship Him
Gorgoroth -Antichrist
Bach - The art of fugue

Nice! I also like the combination of Classical and Extreme Metal art in successive waves.
Today it's Massacra's first three albums, Haydn's London Symphonies, Derogatory's debut and Beethoven late string quartets for me!

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Interzone / Re: Widening income disparity
« on: December 22, 2013, 12:08:01 AM »
I don't think you quite get it  :(

I believe what you said about growing up is true.
But I also think that rights and controlling our society (even going against what is "natural" - survival of the fittest within the species) is important for us to survive healthily.  I think the situations in countries like the US where there is an abuse of everything by big corporations (I do not mean Google... I mean the huge banks and what not) have been out of control for decades. They control everything and have directed even the US's foreign policy (a tyrannical and oppressive one for any who does not live inside the US) to favor their greedy interests. 

Sure, it is natural for the strong to survive, but this planet will not survive us (well, it will, but we will destroy ourselves and many other species in a few centuries).  Thing is that you need to understand that the "natural way" is not necessarily the best way, this is a misunderstanding.  Genes only need to keep reproducing, it doesn't matter how much the organism suffers.  Life will favor the strong blindly. There is no natural 'plan'. Things just happen and there are only two outcomes at the end: either we survive or we don't survive.  We have arrived at a time in our evolution were we can take charge of things and steer our own destiny a little more willfully.

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Why does Satan - Life Sentence meet the approval of anyone here? By that I mean, since when is verse-chorus song structure excusable, let alone worthy of praise? I just listened to this album and I found the rigidity of structure unappealing and condemnable.

I think this site is often misunderstood by the short-sightedness of other people.  deathmetal.org has never had anything against verse-chorus structure IN PARTICULAR (attention, please).  In the instances in which verse-chorus structure has been damned in here is when it is a further simplification of an already-void music.  Sometimes the grandeur of a band lied in its structural development, so when they turn to verse-chorus structure, this is lost.  If you read more reviews in this website (particularly the BM and Grindcore ones, being more minimalistic) you will find albums being praised which have verse-chorus structure.

Satan uses strict verse-chorus structure and adheres to other conventions they choose and  I think they produce a coherent album in a consistent style in which they express themselves excellently.

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The Unholy Trinity:

1. Satan - Life Sentence
2. Summoning - Old Mornings Dawn
3. Imprecation - Satanae Tenebris Infinita

these are some of the best, I agree!

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My List:

KRYPTS - UNENDING DEGRADATION

ULCERATE - VERMIN

IMMOLATION - KINGDOM OF CONSPIRACY

GRAVE MIASMA - ODORI SEPULCRORUM

AOSOTH - IV AN ARROW IN HEART

SALIGIA - LUX AETERNAE (EP)

VON - DARK GODS - SEVEN BILLIONS......


for the moment...

I got to disagree here...
Von and Krypts sound nice aesthetically, but I do not think they strike real gold.
Ulcerate is.. well cool experimentation, leave it at that.
Immolation is clutching at its own past but cannot reach it.  This album seems to be trying hard to be Here in After but with more catchy sections and simpler structures.
I found Grave Miasma ok for a spin, but I don't even find an original voice in there. Too generic.

Aosoth and Saligia, I have yet to listen.

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I reckon these ones should make it:

Summoning - Old Mornings Dawn
Imprecation - Satanae Tenebris Infinita
Satan - Life Sentence
Von - Dark Gods, Seven Billion Slaves
Scalpel - Sorrow and Skin
Birth A.D. - I Blame You
Burzum - Sl Austan, Mni Vestan

I think these are good too but not sure if they should make the list:

Centurian - Contra Rationem
Warbeast - Destroy
Disfigurement Soul Rot

And these I haven't heard yet but judging from the reviews on this site they're probably worth considering:

Profanatica - Thy Kingdom Cum
Condor - Nadia
Witchblood - Blood and the Elements

I'll be checking out the ones I do not know in this list.  Thanks!

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I have been championing Nadia since it was on the front page earlier this year. Outstanding stuff, haven't stopped listening since. So, seconding the recommendation.

I'm surprised at the mention of Blitzkrieg. It is a style that is easy for me to like, so I have been listening to it a lot, but there are at least two songs on the album that are straight-forward god-fucking-awful radio rock. And then there are a couple of songs that go nowhere for every minute they are on. Also, NWOBHM with so few solos?! That's not cool, man.

Why does it deserve to be on best-of-the-year list? I'm baffled.

I agree, I think many things this year top Blitzkrieg.
Altars, Bolzer, Heresiarch, Zealotry. 
They may be apples and oranges, but in their respective styles you can measure them up (subjectively, that is...).
I don't do "top of a particular branch".  I really want to know the best overall Metal releases.

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Add Satan and Blitzkrieg.

I will!
What did you like about those albums so much that you hold them in high regard?
Blitzkrieg eluded me, though I think it sounded coherent.  Haven't listened to Satan's album yet.

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Metal / Call for best of 2013 Metal album opinions/nominations/suggestions
« on: December 08, 2013, 09:42:36 AM »
I for one have stated several times my preference of Zealotry's The Charnel Expanse over anything this year.

How about you guys?

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Metal / Re: Most metal albums are too long...
« on: December 05, 2013, 09:39:40 AM »
I think about this a lot.
Just today I was listening to Massacre's From Beyond and thinking it sounds really cool, but it's really done after the 6th track.  And if it weren't for the interlude "The Chamber of Ages", it would be done by the 4th track.

In this respect I'd say Deicide almost nailed it perfectly on Legion.  I would say the same of Massacra's Final Holocaust. The latter would be perfect 2 or 3 songs down, in my opinion.

I think this is one of the reasons why I am so into Zealotry's The Charnel Expanse.  It is only the last track that seems to be overextended. But most of the album feels necessary.

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