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Metal / Re: An idea: Obscura for string quartet?
« on: November 29, 2013, 02:37:44 PM »
Well, I did major in music composition. 

Well, then the moment I get a song down on paper, the first thing I'll do is inform you and share it for you to revise.

Metal / Re: An idea: Obscura for string quartet?
« on: November 29, 2013, 02:35:49 PM »
Wow, it's really exciting to meet someone like you!  (a Music major who is genuinely interested in underground extreme metal)
And thanks (again) a lot for being interested in this.

PS.  If you have a blog or write artciles/reviews/analyses, I'd love to read them.

Metal / Re: An idea: Obscura for string quartet?
« on: November 29, 2013, 11:48:34 AM »
if you don't have some experience writing for string quartet it's unlikely that you will realize the full potential of the medium

I'm fully aware of that.  If it is done it should be done well.  It shouldn't be just OK, it should be great.

What I had in mind was to get the songs into a music sheet, transcribing as correctly as possible.  Maybe make annotations of the special techniques used too (rasping of strings, whammy dives, etc), and in any case the recording is there.

After getting it all decently on paper, get someone who is actually capable of doing a good of adapting metal to a classical string quartet to do it.  A music composition major would be ideal.

So there are several distinct steps:
[1] transcription
[2] double check with peers
[3] adaptation for classical string quartet (someone else, I am not prepared for this, hopefully in some 5 years, I will be...)

If I get time over the next couple of days I'll try transcribing something from that album.

Thank you for your interest!  If you could tell me where you'll start, that'll be a great aid so that we do not transcribe the same song.  After, we can swap our music sheets to double check for mistakes. What do you think?

Metal / An idea: Obscura for string quartet?
« on: November 29, 2013, 03:16:56 AM »
Would anyone find the idea of the Obscura album by Gorguts be played by a classical string quartet compelling?

The content of the two guitars and bass (and possible the voice, in some parts) be not only transcribed (of course) but adapted and rearranged for classical string instruments in a way that takes advantage of the capabilities and techniques used in those instruments.

Frankly, the idea is incredibly tempting for me.  If anyone is not already doing it, I am making an entry in my to-do list for next year to at least start to get down the guitars and bass lines into music scores.  I think that would be a first step.  I am not an expert on this nor am I a music major, so when I get it done (if someone didn't do it already), I'd like to see if someone can do the adapting to string quartet done.

Interzone / Re: Who/What is God?
« on: November 28, 2013, 02:01:36 AM »
God is a religious term to describe Reality. But nobody knows that, any more.

As far as we KNOW... no one ever knew it, actually.
As far as we can see, it's all stories made up by humans to explain things they cannot understand. 

Metal / Re: Tristan und Isolde - Prelude
« on: November 25, 2013, 02:45:40 AM »
I've never been a fan of Wagner, too Romantic-going-on-impressionism for me.
I am more of a ... traditionalist, give me Brahms, Bach, Beethoven (who shows great exploration and non-conformity while remaining structuralist, so to speak).  Even Beethoven's most wild pieces (the famous and great, love-it-or-hate-it Grose Fuge, for example) are structuralist.

I somehow never manage to be moved by Stravinsky, and much less by Wagner.  Full-on Expressionism such as Schoenberg definitely takes me somewhere when I pay attention to it, but it is far from being my favorite.  Wagner makes me feel bored every single time I listen to it. It is not lack of concentration or interest as I sit through Beethoven symphonies or Haydn sonatas just concentrating on the movements in the music.  Even if I take the approach of listening to Wagner as I listen to Burzum (letting it wash over me and just "ride the tide" werever this stream takes me) I do not feel any pull, I don't feel like I am being lead anywhere. 

I will still listen to your shared Tristan and Isolde, though. 

Interzone / Re: Roger Scruton
« on: November 22, 2013, 01:40:06 AM »
How about speaking to the guy? I expect someone like Brett Stevens is up to the task to interact with a guy like that on an intellectual level.

Interzone / Re: How do you want to die?
« on: November 12, 2013, 06:23:10 PM »
I would like to be in the wilderness, alone, with nothing except the awareness of my last moments. Not necessarily knowing exactly how I was going to die - just knowing that I was.


Metal / Re: What Band are you listening today?
« on: November 12, 2013, 02:51:52 PM »
Repeating, going over Slayer's South Side of Heaven, Deicide's Legion and Celtic Frost's To Mega Therion. 
New to Pagan Mind's Celestial Entrance.  This one is pretty good in its genre, but I cannot stand listening to all the album without a break. The last couple of songs in the album are gold, specially the very last two.

Metal / Re: Harsh Anus.com review on Veles 'The Black Ravens flew again'
« on: November 07, 2013, 02:57:52 AM »
Music reviews are reviews of music, not an individuals integrity, personality, work ethic or any number of things. If the music doesnt hold up, it doesnt hold up.

Couldn't have said it better myself.  People like to tell you about how hard-working the band members are, as if that makes the music better.  Or they like to talk about how hard it is to write decent music.
I don't care.  Quality is quality. Stop whining about us telling you the truth!

Interzone / Re: Beethoven - Große Fuge, op. 133 (Takács Quartet)
« on: November 05, 2013, 09:13:04 AM »
Various recordings of Grosse Fuge


Interzone / Re: Beethoven - Große Fuge, op. 133 (Takács Quartet)
« on: November 04, 2013, 02:25:36 PM »

Maybe a combination of listening to and GETTING FAMILIAR with intricate music such as Bach's "The Art of Fugue" (since Grosse Fugue is precisely a fugue) and some dissonant twisted music (not only the classic composers but maybe even metal such as Immolation from albums like Herein After and Unholy Cult) can help in training the ear to listen to late Beethoven string quartets.  Specially this one.

Interzone / Beethoven - Große Fuge, op. 133 (Takács Quartet)
« on: November 04, 2013, 06:50:28 AM »
He who divines the secret of my music is delivered from the misery that haunts the world
- Beethoven


Interzone / Re: Subjects in death metal lyrics
« on: November 01, 2013, 01:00:33 PM »

There seems to be somewhat of a push to de-emphasis lyrics, vocals, album concepts, cover artwork, production etc as some sort of non-essential aesthetic flourish, especially in the newer 'traditional' bands, but I see this as a mistake. Everything from music as notes to how it is presented is going to have an effect on the audience (whether they realize it or not). It is a lost opportunity not to make the most of that.

While I get where you are coming from (music should be the first and foremost concern of musicians), I do think this element of literature in non-instrumental metal goes a long way to increase the quality of the product as a whole.

I can present two examples. Deicide's Legion has truly amazing music.  It is a high mark on Death Metal, and it is not about the level of brutality alone, this by itself is nonsense.  It is the songwriting.  Yet the lyrics are tiring, and repetitive, in a way.  I dig the whole anti-God posture from an atheist (I am a stout atheist myself) point of view.  But the lyrics are just attack God attack God and sometimes almost touches on insults. I for one have no respect towards vulgarity and insults in lyrics.  Fortunately they did not cross this line.  Because I would have really contrasting feelings regarding them, feeling so compelled by the music and so disgusted by the lyrics.  I think the fact that they do not cross into the utterly vulgar has to do with the music being good too.  But that's just a wild guess.

At the Gates' trilogy "The Break of Autumn", "Non-divine" and "Primal Breadth" are songs that captured me because of the melodic work in counterpoint and how the songs developed.  When I started to catch glimpses of the lyrics in the screams of Tompa, I decided to go read the lyrics completely and they are both aesthetically beautiful and philosophically meaningful.  This increased my liking of them by at least 50% (in a manner of speaking, haha... it is hard to describe the feeling).

Interzone / Re: Subjects in death metal lyrics
« on: November 01, 2013, 12:48:53 PM »

Maybe we could generalize and say that this theme is praise of legends and legendary circumstances?

Indeed, but it seems to me that different metal genres tend to do this praise in slightly different manners.  I think I mentioned this before, haha.  Power Metal is clearly on the "good guys'" side and constantly praise them.  Speed Metal seems to just point out the evil directly, without selecting a hero.  Death Metal seems to just state things as fact, IMO, and may even take a tone of adoration toward the dark side.

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