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Metal / Re: Most metal albums are too long...
« on: December 05, 2013, 09:39:40 AM »
I think about this a lot.
Just today I was listening to Massacre's From Beyond and thinking it sounds really cool, but it's really done after the 6th track.  And if it weren't for the interlude "The Chamber of Ages", it would be done by the 4th track.

In this respect I'd say Deicide almost nailed it perfectly on Legion.  I would say the same of Massacra's Final Holocaust. The latter would be perfect 2 or 3 songs down, in my opinion.

I think this is one of the reasons why I am so into Zealotry's The Charnel Expanse.  It is only the last track that seems to be overextended. But most of the album feels necessary.

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Metal / Re: What Band are you listening today?
« on: December 05, 2013, 12:43:19 AM »
Listening to Skepticism - Alloy. Never paid this band too much attention. Always favoured Ras Algethi. This is good though, I think this is their best album, where it all comes together and they are able to express themselves in their style. Stormcrowfleet is too much of just the same mood and has to be appreciated song by song.

I've only listened to Stormcrowfleet, and I think that in the right mood, right setting, it does constitute an excellent experience.  But it's true that it is pretty much the same mood throughout all the songs.
I'm going to check that album out immediately. Thanks for the tip.

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Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 05, 2013, 12:40:10 AM »
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But then nothing in 'popular' music is progressive!

I guess you are right.

But there is a trap here.
The 70's prog rock bands wanted to take popular music to the next level.
So the term "progressive" was born in the context of doing popular music with the classical vision.  Classical vision being not limiting yourself to the rules and limitations that are self-imposed by popular music.  Part of that classical vision is also excellence.

Thinking about it this way, you could say, then that a band that Periphery is not progressive, because they do not strive for excellence and an artistic goal but are rather just playing whatever the crowd wants, and writing terrible songs for the sake of patching up "cool" things together with no deeper purpose (Besides getting big bucks).


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Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 04, 2013, 03:36:04 PM »
Progressive as an outlook.
The intention of taking what is and making something new, rather than going to the roots or doing an improved (or worse) version of what you know already.

That's how the term progressive originally came about.  You may or may not like Periphery.  I also think their songwriting is awful.  That doesn't make them not progressive.  It just makes them lame progressive music.
Progressive does not mean good or bad. Progressive is not a genre. 
It is like that nonsensical term "Technical" that people are using now as a genre label.  It's ridiculous.

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Metal / Re: What Band are you listening today?
« on: December 04, 2013, 02:26:37 PM »
Gorguts - Obscura
Bathory - Twilight of the Gods
Voivod - Target Earth
Zealotry - The Charnel Expanse (best 2013 Death Metal album, IMO)

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Interzone / Re: Coursera introductory classes on Classical music
« on: December 04, 2013, 02:23:22 AM »
I'll get these down in a list.
For the moment I am using Harmony and Voice Leading, by Edward Aldwell, Carl Schachter, and Allen Cadwallader.
I think I should finish this one first before venturing into deeper territory, no?

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Interzone / Re: Coursera introductory classes on Classical music
« on: December 03, 2013, 03:07:33 AM »
Thanks for the clarification!

I hope you can find these videos as interesting and instructive as I did. They are by no means "complete", as they are merely intended as introductory general courses on the subject for amateurs, but they are a great window to start learning these topics.

Do share your opinion about them once you watch a couple of them.  Enjoy!

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Metal / Re: An idea: Obscura for string quartet?
« on: December 02, 2013, 04:48:35 AM »
Getting the three instruments down on the music sheet is already a task for me...  but I'm serious about doing it.

I would be very glad if I could learn a little about arrangement and writing in general from you.

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Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 01, 2013, 01:39:23 PM »
[Progressive metal is simply prog rock, played in current times, and so it naturally incorporates some metal moments, as the two genres are not poles apart, in the scheme of things, in terms of aims and influences. Some of it IS shit, for reasons fenrir alluded to well in his post above. However, it is not a necessary condition that progressive metal = bad music. This is a contingent relation (how could it be otherwise??)


I beg to differ. That is only the current, mistaken definition of progressive rock/metal, which is meaningless, almost, as any band can take it for themselves.  Progressive was meant to be an outlook, not a genre.  Pink Frothy AIDS is not progressive because they always combined songs of different genres without necessarily creating something new, just stitching sections belonging to two different genres together.  Early DT put out some music that could be considered progressive, then it turned into something like rock opera, then concentrated on long hard rock/pop songs (which doesn't mean it is necessarily progressive, since there is nothing new or forward thinking about it).  I would also never call Symphony X progressive.  They're is just plain Heavy/Speed Metal (going on Power Metal? which is just a kind of Speed), and you can clearly trace a lot bands like them back to Fates Warning and Mercyful Fate.   
Writing long songs  alone does not qualify as "progressive". Playing around with time signatures alone does not qualify as "progressive" either.  If anyone, Periphery has put out more of a real "progression" into rock/metal, albeit one that is not concretized very well, and one that does not work for Metal, IMO, but is a real progressive effort in a branch of pop.

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Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 01, 2013, 06:48:05 AM »
Progressive metal is like saying... intelligent metal, or really-good metal or something. In practice it is an aesthetic, nothing more. It should be abandoned except for ironic purposes.

The term "progressive" was first used to refer to 70s rock bands which consciously tried to expand the sound of rock/pop music and take into another level, raising it above mere entertainment to art.  They were referred to as "progressive" because they were supposed to be carrying the genre forward (although most of them just mixed pop with jazz).  Many bands really did produce something new (in rock/pop), but several of them did it in different ways. It was not a genre but an outlook. 
The problem came (I think) when people's vision was trapped in the superficial aspects that these bands shared (playfulness with structure and meter, bringing elements of  "higher" styles of music such as jazz or classical music into the rock paradigm) and they started to call ANY band that used non-standard structure or that mixed ANYTHING in any "progressive".  The term has been much abused and misused.

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Interzone / Re: Coursera introductory classes on Classical music
« on: December 01, 2013, 06:17:58 AM »

I love learning about the guts and gears of music, but I hate to be taught.

I'm not sure if that means that you'll watch or you'll hate them because they are trying to teach you something in the lectures...

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Interzone / Coursera introductory classes on Classical music
« on: November 30, 2013, 04:35:12 AM »
I've taken a couple of classes on coursera and I wanted to share and recommend them to metal fans who are not familiar with
but are interested in getting a acquainted with classical music.   In case someone does not want to register to the website, I also downloaded
the videos from coursera and uploaded them to dropbox repository to share.

1)  From the Repertoire: Western Music History through Performance
by David Ludwig, Jonathan Coopersmith

Coursera course: https://class.coursera.org/musichistoryperforms-001/class
Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nbx2oshrbdt5458/From%20the%20Repertoire.%20Western%20Music%20History%20through%20Performance.zip

2) Exploring Beethovenís Piano Sonatas
Jonathan Biss

Coursera course: https://www.coursera.org/course/beethovensonatas
Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2qn2kcm9wtdfzsu/Exploring%20Beethoven%20Sonatas%2C%20Jonathan%20Biss.zip

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Metal / Re: An idea: Obscura for string quartet?
« on: November 30, 2013, 04:28:14 AM »
I just downloaded the album in FLAC just for this purpose.  Now I need to get my hands on the best headphones I can.

I was listening to the album and I think one of the things I think I might have problems with is discerning the bass line clearly.

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Metal / Re: An idea: Obscura for string quartet?
« on: November 29, 2013, 02:37:44 PM »
Well, I did major in music composition. 

Well, then the moment I get a song down on paper, the first thing I'll do is inform you and share it for you to revise.

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Metal / Re: An idea: Obscura for string quartet?
« on: November 29, 2013, 02:35:49 PM »
Wow, it's really exciting to meet someone like you!  (a Music major who is genuinely interested in underground extreme metal)
And thanks (again) a lot for being interested in this.

PS.  If you have a blog or write artciles/reviews/analyses, I'd love to read them.

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