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Metal / Re: Obscura vrs From Wisdom to Hate
« on: December 24, 2013, 08:52:38 AM »
I find FWTH more impressive than Obscura. It is slightly more direct, and delivers its payload more efficiently. There are some ripping songs. There is more of a classical influence.

Obscura doesn't resolve enough. There are not enough conclusions.

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Metal / Re: Imposition - Memento Mori (DM.org user composition)
« on: December 19, 2013, 01:51:36 AM »
I listened to the first track a couple days ago. I was kind of floored, thought it sounded really good. Looking forward to listening to the rest of the demo.

Thanks.

Listening to Noumenon, I imagined there were several songs played simultaneously, their respective melodic values cancelling each other out so that melody can hardly be perceived. I see how it's supposed to tie the EP together, but that feels kind of forced. This song made me want to listen to Den Onde Kysten...

I understand your reaction. It was a more abstract idea than the other tracks, to put at the end. A little experiment. Noumenon: i.e. the thing(demo!)-in-itself, a disorganized conglomerate of all the tracks - to be contrasted with the tracks just heard, as they were via the normal categories of perception (space, time etc...). I had 5-6 minute, dark ambient track that I was going to include, but then decided against it. Thanks for the comments.

Noumenon. The metal tracks were fine, but nothing that hasn't been done before. I found myself looking forward to the synth elements within them more than the riffs. Noumenon is interesting in that it retains metal instrumentation but the production is so distant that the structure of the song is nearly destroyed. If that was complimented with synth/noise, but extended to a more narrative form, it'd be intriguing. (I'm thinking of something like Burzum's Decrepitude tracks or Beherit's ritualistic tracks for reference)

Thanks for the suggestion, I think I'm more interested in developing a more concrete take on black metal though.

You really think there was nothing at all original in the metal tracks that could be pursued? There was a conscious attempt at culmination/achievement of an 'end point', despite the 'punkiness' of the individual riffs (short, repetitive) within each song.

As far as moving forward, I want to make longer riffs, and also have more riff evolution within sections next time around.

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Interzone / Re: Nature and anti-art
« on: December 17, 2013, 01:07:04 AM »
Re: the anthill,

I'm somewhere in between Wild and yourself.

Taken as art, it's like the variety of so called 'ambient' music which is nothing but recordings of natural sounds (with a few token synth pads thrown in here and there). It's parallel in visual art might be the 'readymades' of Marcel Duchamp - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Readymades_of_Marcel_Duchamp - just with more 'natural' samples.

Taking it as animal archeology, or behavioural ecology or something, as opposed to art, seems more fitting to me. It's a way of marking and observing the wonderful abilities of ants.

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Metal / Re: Imposition - Memento Mori (DM.org user composition)
« on: December 16, 2013, 02:27:49 AM »
I'd be interested in hearing the project move away from metal towards ambient. The last track is intriguing.

Thanks for listening. Do you mean 'noumenon'? Or the last proper track (which itself has more keyboards/ambiance than the other 3)?

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Metal / Re: Imposition - Memento Mori (DM.org user composition)
« on: December 16, 2013, 02:26:33 AM »
So far I can only say good things. I'd love to hear the rest of the EP.

Cheers! The second link I posted above has a link to the full thing.

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Metal / Imposition - Memento Mori (DM.org user composition)
« on: December 13, 2013, 11:59:23 AM »
And so, it became time for me to manifest something tangible in the black metal spirit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIx_Liv0zL8

http://www.deathmetal.org/forum/index.php/topic,17975.0.html (all 4 tracks, on depositfiles)

I have been working hard on this 4 track demo for some months, and filtered through my abilities on guitar (which is not my usual instrument), and home recording capabilities, this is my first attempt to meld cold minimalism and ambiance with an element of structure and grandeur.

Perhaps you will like it,

Please lend me your feedback at any rate.

Cheers
https://www.facebook.com/Impositionbm

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Audiofile / Imposition
« on: December 13, 2013, 11:56:51 AM »
Minimalistic black metal from Australia

Imposition

Imposition - Memento Mori (2013, depositfiles)





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I would nominate Lantern - 'Below' to the list.

As a side note, the Burzum album isn't metal. So how can that be included?

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In what sense do you think there is spirituality in Darwin's thinking, and how does this relate to Tao (out of genuine interest)?


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Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 05, 2013, 11:35:35 AM »
Nah man; Cog is just, like, too complex and shit. The only way to appreciate it is to have a music degree and a bong.

Perhaps, more or less as all the great music on this website was analysed, if I'm not mistaken.

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Damn well play that Ijdarn song without the ridiculously exaggerated 'low fi' feel and the 'necro' vocals and you wouldn't piss on it, I'm sure.

Well, you'd be wrong. On the recent split, there's multiple instrumental tracks with more modern production. It's still quality material.

Do you have a link? I would be interested to hear.

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Cog and Tool (Tool have fucking embarrassing moments - don't think I'm a complete fan boy), are rock, with developed rhythmic sensibility, but which knocks out harmony. I don't even think they would call themselves metal.

I agree; however, I have seen them referred to in that way.

Post-alternative rock?

It's progressive alternative rock maybe. Why the stress of value laden term 'progressive'? Well it has progressed one dimension of alternative rock - rhythm. This is better than 'Progressive Grunge'  because Grunge, as a sub-genre of the vague label 'alternative rock', has a lighter mood.

Alternatively, I don't care anymore.

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Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 05, 2013, 11:19:15 AM »
>:( I guess Cog is just 2Deep4Me >:(

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And what objective features of that retarded Ildjarn track makes it profound?

Evisceration of pretense. Void of sentimentality. Audio nihilism.

You are advocating technique over substance.

Wrong. There are 2 time signature alterations I can discern in that song: from 7/8 to 9/8 and then back. That is nowhere near the extend some stupid bands go to.

That song is like surfing, I Imagine. You wrap yourself around an evolving motion, and ride it as it circles you, and you adjust yourself to it's flow. Its like 2 planets circling each other in different orbits, and discerning the patterns in which they irregularly but systematically meet up 

You're advocating aesthetics over substance. Damn well play that Ijdarn song without the ridiculously exaggerated 'low fi' feel and the 'necro' vocals and you wouldn't piss on it, I'm sure.

Since you edited:

If you want to argue that Cog and Tool are too "developed" from grunge, fine. What would you label them?

"Post-metal" and "Alternative metal" are not serious monikers.

It's not post-metal, post metal is mostly droney, boring longwinded stuff in standard time. Alternative metal is wrong too, I would think, because it's not metal. It's rock. Rock is mostly about rhythm and harmony, with minimal melodic sensibility. Cog and Tool (Tool have fucking embarrassing moments - don't think I'm a complete fan boy), are rock, with developed rhythmic sensibility, but which knocks out harmony. I don't even think they would call themselves metal.

Anyway, that's my wrap.

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Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 05, 2013, 10:55:50 AM »

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Grunge has none of the rhythmic sophistication of Cog.


Sophistication? What? Clean tone noodling and a few stop-start riffs followed by strumming? The only part of the track that passably competent is the drumming.

I think it's obvious that the band is foundationally a grunge band, as is Tool. The vocals, contrast between clean/distorted sections, guitar riffs, and themes are within the constraints of that genre. Dressing it up a bit does not change that.

My sincere guess is that you're unable to perceive the differences between grunge and a band like cog, the same way people who have little exposure to modern art might lump surrealism and dadaism together.

Do you know what a polyrhythm is?

Do you know what 7/8 time means? And 9/8? Both of which are used in the Cog song.

There is no progression between different time signatures in grunge! Differently, there is no use of non standard time signatures in grunge!

You'll probably say this is mere 'dressing up'. But who are you to say that the manipulation of rhythm and pulse, an order of magnitude beyond the norm, is mere 'dressing up'. This might be like me saying, the use of chromatic 'riff salad' compositional techniques in death metal is just the 'dressing up' of NWOBHM and speed metal. Pfff.

Alterations between clean and distorted riffs? But we have this in 0peth! 0peth aren't bloody grunge now are they?!

And what objective features of that retarded Ildjarn track makes it profound? I'm starting to worry about you. Don't get me wrong, I love good black metal, but defending that track just because it's a certain band rings immediate alarm bells with me. I even like some Ildjarn.

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Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 05, 2013, 03:55:18 AM »
Do you really believe that any of that music is deep enough to warrant it?

I listened to the entire Pink Frothy AIDS track. You know what? I gained nothing after the first 30 seconds.

Of course. And compared to something like the following, it is simply transcendental.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIo-9Yz84OQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxZgKNW27XM

I see little point in arguing with you over this, if you are not even willing to listen to the damn material. But just one example: The idea that Cog are just 'grunge'. If you think this, then you really don't have a wide exposure to music, despite what you might think.

Grunge has none of the rhythmic sophistication of Cog. Grunge is much closer to punk via Sabbath.

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Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 05, 2013, 03:38:25 AM »
1. AIDS. Retarded stop-start riffs are "interesting" only in that they're used to replace any skill at song composition. There is no sense of narrative connection between each segment (sound familiar?). Both soulless and talentless.
2. In what way is this "progressive"? It's either inept metal or misguided grunge with an embarrassing interlude that has no artistic relevance. This is degeneration.
3. Already discussed.
4. This is pop music with the aesthetics of metal.
5. 6 minutes of elevator music followed by horribly cliched hard rock. I don't see progression.
6. Emo rock [grunge] This hasn't been new for 20 years.
7. Humiliating stadium metal.

What all have in common, with perhaps the exception for the last one, is an inability to construct a song. Because of this, they throw collections of riffs together and call it progressive to get the 2DEEP4U crowd to buy it. This is inferior to standard rock music that is able to construct a real song.

7 is a song, but it just sucks.

There was 20 minutes between your post and that of the collection of songs. At least have the patience to listen to the music you're supposed to be analysing objectively for God's sake! The first tack alone goes for 15 minutes.

Sigh.

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Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 05, 2013, 03:26:03 AM »
"Progressive" is a marketing term that's usually synonymous with "mediocre".

Well, then that is why some 'conceptual analysis' is in order. Who cares about how marketers use the term. Let's more accurately determine the reference of terms like Progressive Metal and Progressive Rock. That's what I would hope we do here, not simply make endless quips regarding STDs. Despite being humorous on occasion, they add absolutely nothing to the actual content of an argument, despite how it might feel when egaged in the gusto of writing them.

Instead of things going to defcon 1 around here when genre labels are incorrectly used, and decrying whole slabs of music just because they are erroneously called '-metal' (as opposed to because they are internally bad examples of music), it might be more constructive to criticise genuinely bad music instead (and correctly classify bands).

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