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Interzone / Re: Bill Hopkins: The Divine and the Decay/The Leap!
« on: April 17, 2014, 06:10:46 AM »
I was lucky enough that the university I attended had a copy in its library. Other than that I have had no luck on the internet apart from amazon, where it us 200+ dollars.

It's one hell of a read. And I would like to find it again.

Metal / Re: camel - the snow goose
« on: April 07, 2014, 06:36:26 PM »
Nice one. Camel are fantastic. I prefer Mirage and Moonmadness to Snowgoose but all three represent their best work.

ELP, Yes, Gentle Giant, Van Der Graaf Generator, Crimson (esp their most recent album!), Genesis and Camel are all truly amazing.

Interzone / Re: "The poor": kill them
« on: April 01, 2014, 04:58:19 AM »
My immediate intuition is indeed to think otherwise. But I admit it is just a snap judgement.



are the first two google returns from the query 'has crime decreased since the middle ages?'

Also, you're thinking might be different if you live in America, which is known for much higher crime rates and personal insecurity than other western societies.

Interzone / Re: "The poor": kill them
« on: March 31, 2014, 11:45:54 PM »
Are you suggesting there is more crime and insecurity (per capita) in Western societies today than in the pre-modern era?!

Interzone / Re: "The poor": kill them
« on: March 31, 2014, 10:01:28 PM »
Many of these poor are just thieves. They go to voting stations in droves and always elect candidates who falsely claim it is moral to steal resources from stable working families for poor people and their useless social programs.

Your claim that the cause of social welfare is the mass movement of poor people to the polls such that parties that do not give out welfare cease to get into office is amazing.

I would vote for a party that had social welfare programs over those that don't. Why? Because it means poor people will not come into my fucking home with a hunting knife wanting my computer. People like a (certain) safety net, so that our towns and cities don't turn into some Johannesburg slum. For christ's sake.

Moral: it's not just poor people who vote for social welfare. It's people who have some (realistic) idea of social realities.

Interzone / Re: Deep Ecology is bullshit
« on: March 30, 2014, 07:45:25 PM »
My questions for the deep ecologists here:
- As long as civilization prevails, why should we give a damn about the continuation of any plant or animal species?
- To those who point to the beauty of nature in its defense, what does it really have to offer that Virtual Reality won't eventually be able to match or surpass?

'What nature has to offer' that virtual reality won't EVER be able to match or surpass is simply the property of existing-prior-to-man.

It isn't transcendence, as I see no reason why any virtual reality could not be engineered to produce experiences that equal, or exceed the challenges imposed by 'nature'
It isn't 'the world', as the world is experienced, and virtual reality can be experienced
It isn't 'inherent value' - in the strong sense - as there is no such thing (there is, however, a weaker sense of 'inherent value' - insofar as the concept 'inherent value' is understood as value stemming from something that comes before individual choice. This weaker sense of 'inherent value' is value stemming from intersubjective psychological archetypes).

Put another way, what nature has to offer is something that fits into that part of human psychology that places value in prior structures - the same 'impulse' from which religion springs*. This is the stark opposite psychological impulse from which existentialism springs - which holds that prior structures are not only non-existent, but undeserving of value (undeserving because then the agent so valuing is operating under 'bad faith', believing that his actions and value judgements are not completely and utterly free and self-chosen - so the theory goes (see Sartre, if you dare)).

What we loose by going virtual is a type of (subjective - but also intersubjective (archetype), and hence half way between subjective and objective), or source of, meaning. And because this is the same source of meaning that gives rise to religion, absolutism, and the unique emotion of reverence that is intimately tied up with this archetype, it is something that is going to be highly valued around here - whether or not you can give arguments for why the same amount of UTILITY could be gotten from the virtual.

Death and black metal are art forms, along with some others, that are reverent, in that they worship, or in other worlds in that they celebrate what is given (as opposed to what is merely chosen).

Human beings crave reverence. This explains the gia movement, hippies having bush doofs/raves, people getting 'back to nature', good metal, and you can fill in other social movements. Obviously one can raise the issue of whether or not each particular one is actually (in the sense of truthfully) celebrating 'the given' - but I think it all stems from the same psychological 'archetype'.

In short, Deep Ecology is not 'bullshit'. It has its roots in a more general human impulse (for prior structures).


*Why then are religion and environmentalism often opposed to each other in public debate? Because for the particular religion involved, Monotheism, the environment is merely God's creation - and so not the prior structure (which is God Himself).

Interzone / Re: The Occult History of the Third Reich
« on: March 26, 2014, 09:10:05 PM »
There is an element of aesthetic grandeur that no one completely pussy-whipped by social norms (or who is, of course, a member of one of the groups targeted by the Nazis) can be insensitive to when it comes to Nazi Germany, but I do no champion the Third Reich.

This documentary will be of interest to anyone who has read Evola, for instance, and who would like to see an empirical manifestation of one possible social embodiment, by a modern, organized state, of such ideas.

Probably the best documentary I've seen on the Nazi's, due to identifying first causes in a set of ideas - the 'occult' (read: Germanic perennialism/Aryanism) as opposed to economic factors. I.e. it is a rather Hegelian take on this whole period of modern history, as opposed to the somewhat more usual Marxist takes that would seek to identify economic or 'material' causes of Nazi Germany and WW2.

Interzone / The Occult History of the Third Reich
« on: March 24, 2014, 04:12:40 AM »
The documentary contains mainly black and white as well as some color archival footage, with narration explaining the influences of alternative belief systems (occult, paganism, mysticism, etc.) on the Nazi ideology and Hitler's personal philosophy. It also documents the history and development of ideas and symbols and of the eugenics movement.

In the early 20th century, the young Adolf Hitler was just one of many German-speaking people attracted by a new Germanic mythology that combined ancient legends and esoteric cosmologies with cutting-edge theories of genetic science. In the hands of the Nazis, the result was a new ideology that saw racial purity as the key to human destiny.


Part 1: Adolf Hitler

Part 2: The SS: Blood and Soil

Part 3: The Enigma of the Swastika

Part 4: Himmler The Mystic

Metal / Re: A request: "Proto-underground" recommendations?
« on: March 06, 2014, 04:23:51 AM »

Destroyer 666 - Violence is the prince of this world http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXt9MT1I1mg
Blasphemy - Fallen Angel of Doom.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA8q8jga5xo
Blood - O Agios Pethane http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NncldH6ZY7Y
Bestial Warlust - Vengeance War 'Till Death http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiV6_IaGd0U
Spear Of Longinus - Nazi Occult Metal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INf4lBHN6bY

Some of these are post 1990, but are pretty much proto stylistically, and good.

Metal / Re: A request: "Proto-underground" recommendations?
« on: March 01, 2014, 07:56:48 PM »
Sodom - Persecution Mania
Kreator - Pleasure to Kill
Slayer - Hell Awaits, Reign in Blood

And perhaps, on boarder of thrash and death:

Napalm death - From Enslavement to Obliteration

Interzone / Re: Conformal Cyclic Cosmology
« on: March 01, 2014, 06:26:32 PM »
Roger Penrose explains his emerging theory of conformal cyclic cosmology
Short version: Roger Penrose is promoting a view of cosmology similar to the eternal recurrence. The two driving principles are a reinterpretation of entropy and the observation that in the absence of the Higgs Boson the universe lacks a natural metric, thus any concept of distance or time becomes meaningless. In light of this, the state of the universe at the beginning of the big bang is identical to that as time approaches infinity. The universe is self-sustaining and cyclic... maybe.

I was quite happy to find a serious attempt at driving physics forward on this topic without resorting to string theory shenanigans.

Thank you. Will watch with great interest.

Metal / Comment!
« on: February 27, 2014, 04:06:36 PM »
I would suggest anyone who has enjoyed the resources this site has to offer leave a comment on the forum or the most recent post on the front page showing support/offering suggestions so it looks like people give a damn.

Metal / Re: Imposition - Memento Mori (DM.org user composition)
« on: February 27, 2014, 04:00:20 PM »
This is great stuff man. Thanks for sharing!

Imposition I wanted to talk about track 2. The main riff has a little variation in it that pops up first at 0:05s. Throughout the song I was sort of expecting this to turn into something. I think you could have built up a section of the song after the solo around this, turn it into a new (longer) riff from that note, a concluding one, the centerpiece or climax of the song. I like this track a lot but it ends too quick with much left unsaid. I know this has been mentioned before, but I wanted to reiterate that its not just that the songs feel incomplete / cut off, they dont have a transition or resolution that really hooks you. IMO you should try and construct some and add them to these songs, something with desperate feeling (ref: Skald av Satans Sol, nawmean? SKAAAALD, AAAAV). I apologize if this is too presumptuous.

Also, I had a question, how long have you been playing guitar? Like `cide said, your sound is great, perfect even.

Edit: To reiterate how much I like this song, 2:47 when the mostly musical part of your solo concludes gave me a literal shiver. Nice.

Thanks for comments.

My guitar skills are not wizard like at all. It's not my traditional instrument. But It's not hard to tremmelo strum if you have a bit of rhythm. I have played other music for a while. It's not the ingredients that are complex in Transylvanian hunger, Joined in Darkness, or Drawing Down The Moon etc, it's how the units are put together. There is more structure than you think (if you are outsider, not into metal and thinking black/death metal is just random intervals being played on lower frets) whereas for someone like me who has listened to this music for years but has not played it - as opposed to other types of music - letting go and delving into a bit more of a jigsaw, cryptic explorational use of intervals (less structure) is hard, as I feel I'm getting too random (which i'm probably not).

I've just started to record ideas for another effort, which will have more riffs, more bass-heavy production, and a darker, cryptic atmosphere.

Metal / Re: What bands are you listening to today?
« on: February 23, 2014, 10:32:23 PM »
I cant get over the country metal groove riffs that Bongripper tends to write. Other than that I liked this album when I heard it on bandcamp, but it hasnt lasted for me. It is still worlds better than the rest of the stoner doom trash heap though.

Listening to Imposition - Memento Mori; had the urge after that Mayhem track on the front page. Congratulations Imposition, you are better than Mayhem.

Excellent. Immediate suicide otherwise.

Metal / Re: Imposition - Memento Mori (DM.org user composition)
« on: February 23, 2014, 03:46:53 PM »
Thanks Vigilance, Jim, & aquarius, will look into suggestions.

Humanicide, hopefully you haven't been banned, but thanks for comments and encouragement. As for completeness, I definitely see track 1 and 4 as complete. 2 more so than 3. But in no cases did I simply go 'that'll do'. I wanted to have a coherent narrative in each. I may have failed in a couple of cases, which is just grist for the mill.

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