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Interzone / Re: International Alliance Against the BS Leftism
« on: August 01, 2013, 09:35:35 PM »
You raise interesting points, and it really doesn't matter if anyone agrees.
The modern world is mad, so is it wise to adapt to madness?
Perhaps we can use our superior adaptability to realize the madness and withdraw from it before it claims us all.

It's a useful exercise to voice ideas that nobody (immediately) agrees with.
I do it all the time :)

Thanks for your encouragement.

I often wonder about whether the judement that it is mad is a product of the world itself being mad or instead just a product of one's perspective - one's emotions, hopes/dreams, successes/failures. I often wonder whether the outlook of traditionalism is rose-coloured, and views the modern world through pessimistic lenses and the past though rose coloured lenses. These are all complicated issues i've thought about a lot over the years.

Ultimately, I don't think retreat out of society should be encourged for everyone who doesn't like it. It fosters the idea that we cannot adapt - one that might cause some people to dismay, which we can, and also the idea that we should not seek to change things we don't like.

Nor am i judging those who do seek a more simple life.

Interzone / Re: International Alliance Against the BS Leftism
« on: August 01, 2013, 08:35:17 PM »
Well, maybe you misunderstood his message.
He's saying what you're saying, only he is him, and you are you.

Perhaps I didn't explain myself properly, sorry.

The difference in views is this: Ymir, unlike me, seems to be blaming the world for his problems. Arguing we have to isolate ourselves from it to survive. -Retreat into your cds and nature where you can, figuratively speaking, jerk-off to all its glory while juxtaposing it to the evils of the modern world with it's damn technology and constant flow of information.

This rests on the idea that human beings are 'not made' for the modern world - this idea giving the necessary weight to the argument that 'we moderns are living in sin' (i.e. that it's the world that's at fault). I am saying this is not a healthy attitude, in my humble opinion, nor factually correct - as the ecological history of humans is characterised by their ability to adapt to new environments (while also changing it, if it needs to be changed - which also won't be helped by retreating).

Does no one else agree with me?

edit: this is not to suggest that contrasting developed society with the experience of untouched nature from time to time is not healthy, rejuvinating, beautiful and important.

Metal / Darkthrone, a day in the life of
« on: August 01, 2013, 07:48:34 PM »
Fenriz is a postman and Nocturno Culto is a school teacher. Quite functional occupations, if I do say so.

Interzone / Re: International Alliance Against the BS Leftism
« on: August 01, 2013, 07:10:17 PM »
There's a black cloud of doom forming over the west. A malaise that's turning even the most intelligent people into aggressive cynics, pessimists, passive nihilists, alcoholics, masturbaters, videogamers, or just plain unpleasant people to be around. Everybody's fucking miserable and it makes me sick.

This coincides with the rise of the internet. Information overstimulates us and we're taking far more bullshit than our brains evolved to process. You may have had a clear grasp of reality in the past. You may have had "beliefs", "ideals", or just a good understanding of things. Now you're just an animal put in state of delirium by an overdose of stimulation. A primate brain convoluted by a wealth of junk information that does nothing but tug emotion and leads to no knowledge or insight whatsoever.

Shut it all off for a while. Find someone to fuck. It relieves a lot of tension. If you can't, go in the woods, find a deer, and jerk off in front of it. It better than wasting four hours in front of a fucking computer screen.

Listen to metal, classical, Dead Can Dance, or whatever brings the most feelings of stability. Read Nietzsche, H.P. Lovecraft, the Tao Te Ching, The Bhagavad Gita, or even Harry Potter. Anything that makes you forget the bullshit or reminds you of what really matters.

You sounds really unhappy and possible projecting your unhappiness onto the. entire. fucking. world. my advice is try some exercise, good diet, minimise pornography and facebook, find a partner - and if this doesn't work consider a bit of councelling. I don't think we should think we have to settle on negativity just because modern society has its particular challanges. Adapt/conquer. This is what defines the history of human beings. If we stayed in environment in which 'our brains evolved' we wouldn't have left the trees in Africa. Human beings adapt and conquer - both different responses to new situations but success requires a bit of both. It's what we do.

Interzone / Re: Trolling Hipsters on the streets of NY
« on: July 27, 2013, 08:22:04 PM »
Golly. I finally screwed up the courage to watch the video.
What I end up wondering is how people find videos like that?

Youtube. In fact, it appeared on my facebook wall. A friend 'liked' it.

What are they looking for? Why are they looking for it?

Humour. You know, the type of thing that makes you laugh? But, in this case, humour that is aware of the big picture. Humour that isn't over-socialised but is aimed as a battle cry against the whole phenomenon of over-socialisaiton.

What happens when they find it?

I laughed. A few times it happened out loud.

Interzone / Re: 23 degrees: feels like 28 degrees.
« on: July 25, 2013, 09:04:12 PM »
numbers doesn't always mean the same thing. 10 degree fahrenheit is not the same thing as 10 degree Celcius.

Actually, I think they do. They mean X units of... whatever (Or a set of ten things). 'fahrenheit' and 'Celcius' are the concepts that cause the different meanings that you allude to above, not two different meanings of '10'.

Interzone / Re: 23 degrees: feels like 28 degrees.
« on: July 25, 2013, 08:53:46 PM »
Quote from: you
Numbers don't refer to events in objective reality in the same way that "snowstorm" or "electron" refers to events in objective reality.

Numbers are different from words: there is an objective, reality based physical concept of 10. It cannot be described further. 

Ahh, now this is a very deep philosophical debate ;)

On the one hand, numbers don't seem to by physical at all. You can't show me the number 10. You can only show me 'sets' of 10 physical things, like apples. But that is different. '10', then, appears to be like a concept - like 'redness' - which has subjective elements. It is not a substance, of which concepts are attached to to describe our world.

On the other hand, there are extremely powerfull *pragmatic* arguments for attributing to '10' (or any other finite number), an objective reality. I.e. we use them in physics, chemistry, engineering etc and using these disciplines we have sent a human being out of the biosphere and into a vacuum to land on another celestial body and then got him home alive. I don't see any way this could have happened if numbers are not 'real' - in some important sense. Similarly, we only posit electrons as entities because we have good pragmatic reasons for doing so. We can't point to an electron or go inside an electron. We posit it's existence as a fundamental particle because of it's effects (which are the only things we can observe). (So the way 'snowstorm' and 'electron' refer to things in objective reality is, I think, different).

Reality is amazingly mysterious and magestic.

Metal / Re: To the guy who promoted NOISE MUSIC here
« on: July 25, 2013, 08:04:32 PM »
Quote from: Skrillex
"Anyway, after my set, I walked offstage and saw him (aphex twin) sitting down with a beer. I’m like, “Fuck, if there was any time to just say hi…” So I go up to him: “Hey, I just wanted to say you had a great show.” He doesn’t even look at me and then walks off. My heart breaks."


Don't ever take these events personally. They hardly ever are.

It would have been very personal in this case, if this anecdote is true. Aphex Twin is an older electronic music producer with depth and artistry. Skrillex is a younger guy who commercialised and vulgarised electronic music (primarily the sub-genre of dubstep - mixing it with really bad electro-pop) in the last 5 years, turning it into aggressive, ugly, mechanical, crass stuff. In biblical terms, Aphex Twin is the Lord. Skrillex is Lucifer, whose selfishness and hubris led him to break from the Light.

Compare Aphex Twin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AWIqXzvX-U
with Skrillex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSeNSzJ2-Jw

Metal / Re: To the guy who promoted NOISE MUSIC here
« on: July 25, 2013, 07:32:24 PM »
How have we gone from noise to Justin Timberlake in this thread?

I have no idea why you would recommend any of that to me, it's completely out of the field of anything I would find worthwhile to listen to.

Here is some actual noise music.

I thought you were exhilarated that the first skrillex song had come up because you enjoyed it. The song is not so bad, but I agree the mix is kinda bad.

But the Toro y Moi is actually not so bad. And justin timberlake more because of the voice and because it's pop, but depeche mode is a good influence, depeche mode is a good band. Violator great album.

Metal / Re: To the guy who promoted NOISE MUSIC here
« on: July 25, 2013, 12:11:43 AM »
This guy must be trolling. It has to be the case.

Metal / Re: Knowing ones place: Burzum and 0peth
« on: July 18, 2013, 07:41:52 PM »
I think we all concede that point, which is well put, If Pink Frothy AIDS decides to drop the act and go full-on prog, of course that is a positive. That shift towards honesty does not change the history of the band though. You have yourself called their earlier pretensions "bullshit", do you think this bullshit was completely accidental?

No, it resulted from a bad fit between form and content.

Very few of you characters are 'admirable', from my perspective :)
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
This probably isn't a site that is very concerned with such things.
But the possibly less-than-admirable approach of one, is no reason for reciprocation, given the way these things quickly grow into ravenous monsters.

Nomnomnom -> vomit.

Surely it is a reason to reciprocate, to stampt it out, just like you're doing now... I've been around these forums for a long time, and I don't see why people like me should not be able to call people out on making snide, and generally unproductive comments on a thread, like calling people 'closet liberals' for stupid reasons. I would think we're aiming to avoid such a forum these days.

Ha! Silly me. I had almost completely forgotten I was an admin.
So maybe just knock it off, already, before it all gets tiresome.
Both and all.

I was trying to 'self-admin', in the organic sense, from within the collective. I don't think Wild's apporach is in any way admirable.

Metal / Re: Knowing ones place: Burzum and 0peth
« on: July 17, 2013, 07:52:34 PM »
Pink Frothy AIDS [0peth] was clearly designed to capitalize on the vast audience of underconfident metalheads who wanted a prog band, but also wanted it to be bone simple.

It's contrived, and calculated.

Sigh. We appreciate your stereotypical disdain and your focus on bashing the 'usual suspects' around here. However, I wasn't doing that this time. I was trying to be more constructive. And not by lower my standards, but by indicating that realism (on the part of bands) can result in increased beauty in the world and less contrived products.

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