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Interzone / Re: Frank Schaeffer - Why I Converted To Eastern Orthodoxy
« on: January 09, 2014, 01:53:56 AM »
I think religion's misinterpreted

Are you suggesting it does not incorporate significant claims about the world, claims that are 'ontological'?

the reason orthodoxy is winning is this

I would suggest another possibility is that only orthodoxy has the balls to go all out and reject a modern physicalist ontology altogether. I.e. It's a matter of All or nothing.

As to the last link, it's true there is more and more research suggesting we are hard wired for religion, whether as an adaptation or accidental side effect of other mental adaptations. More specifically we are hard wired to perceive agency or intentionality behind natural events. There is just a huge tension between this and what we know about the real underlying causes of natural events. There is a real conflict between two ways of looking at the world, the intuitive (who did it?) and reflective/scientific (what did it?), that is increasingly antagonistic. This might well be creating the conditions in which only religions that reject, from the start, explanations of natural events in terms of blind mechanisms can survive - by isolating themselves.

Of course, I could be misinterpreting orthodoxy.

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Interzone / Re: Frank Schaeffer - Why I Converted To Eastern Orthodoxy
« on: January 07, 2014, 08:11:00 AM »
I cannot understand how Orthodox religion can be a 'solution' to any ideological dilemma- in a complete sense.

Its ontology would be highly problematic to a complete worldview for anyone interested in such issues, as opposed merely to issues related to 'transcendence' or other nice social, psychological, and ethical offshoots of the theology.

Perhaps more mainstream Anglo-Saxon versions of Christianity have been stripped of meaning, at least in part, because they are no longer compatible with what we know about the mechanisms behind nature, and these denominations have attempted to integrate - awkwardly. Christianity devoid of it's ontology can only result in humanism - helping refugees, universal love, singing pleasant songs in church, etc etc.

I can see how Orthodox Christianity might represent a more 'internally consistent' version of Christianity - but unfortunately internal coherence does not represent completeness, unless you want to live in a metaphysical bubble, grumbling at science documentaries with in semi-conscious non-comfort.

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Metal / Re: Imposition - Memento Mori (DM.org user composition)
« on: December 27, 2013, 11:21:06 AM »
Thank you for your ideas and attention, trystero. Food for thought.


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Metal / Re: Obscura vrs From Wisdom to Hate
« on: December 24, 2013, 10:07:31 AM »
That would have been an experience!

Having said my above, I love both albums.

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Metal / Re: Obscura vrs From Wisdom to Hate
« on: December 24, 2013, 08:52:38 AM »
I find FWTH more impressive than Obscura. It is slightly more direct, and delivers its payload more efficiently. There are some ripping songs. There is more of a classical influence.

Obscura doesn't resolve enough. There are not enough conclusions.

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Metal / Re: Imposition - Memento Mori (DM.org user composition)
« on: December 19, 2013, 01:51:36 AM »
I listened to the first track a couple days ago. I was kind of floored, thought it sounded really good. Looking forward to listening to the rest of the demo.

Thanks.

Listening to Noumenon, I imagined there were several songs played simultaneously, their respective melodic values cancelling each other out so that melody can hardly be perceived. I see how it's supposed to tie the EP together, but that feels kind of forced. This song made me want to listen to Den Onde Kysten...

I understand your reaction. It was a more abstract idea than the other tracks, to put at the end. A little experiment. Noumenon: i.e. the thing(demo!)-in-itself, a disorganized conglomerate of all the tracks - to be contrasted with the tracks just heard, as they were via the normal categories of perception (space, time etc...). I had 5-6 minute, dark ambient track that I was going to include, but then decided against it. Thanks for the comments.

Noumenon. The metal tracks were fine, but nothing that hasn't been done before. I found myself looking forward to the synth elements within them more than the riffs. Noumenon is interesting in that it retains metal instrumentation but the production is so distant that the structure of the song is nearly destroyed. If that was complimented with synth/noise, but extended to a more narrative form, it'd be intriguing. (I'm thinking of something like Burzum's Decrepitude tracks or Beherit's ritualistic tracks for reference)

Thanks for the suggestion, I think I'm more interested in developing a more concrete take on black metal though.

You really think there was nothing at all original in the metal tracks that could be pursued? There was a conscious attempt at culmination/achievement of an 'end point', despite the 'punkiness' of the individual riffs (short, repetitive) within each song.

As far as moving forward, I want to make longer riffs, and also have more riff evolution within sections next time around.

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Interzone / Re: Nature and anti-art
« on: December 17, 2013, 01:07:04 AM »
Re: the anthill,

I'm somewhere in between Wild and yourself.

Taken as art, it's like the variety of so called 'ambient' music which is nothing but recordings of natural sounds (with a few token synth pads thrown in here and there). It's parallel in visual art might be the 'readymades' of Marcel Duchamp - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Readymades_of_Marcel_Duchamp - just with more 'natural' samples.

Taking it as animal archeology, or behavioural ecology or something, as opposed to art, seems more fitting to me. It's a way of marking and observing the wonderful abilities of ants.

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Metal / Re: Imposition - Memento Mori (DM.org user composition)
« on: December 16, 2013, 02:27:49 AM »
I'd be interested in hearing the project move away from metal towards ambient. The last track is intriguing.

Thanks for listening. Do you mean 'noumenon'? Or the last proper track (which itself has more keyboards/ambiance than the other 3)?

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Metal / Re: Imposition - Memento Mori (DM.org user composition)
« on: December 16, 2013, 02:26:33 AM »
So far I can only say good things. I'd love to hear the rest of the EP.

Cheers! The second link I posted above has a link to the full thing.

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Metal / Imposition - Memento Mori (DM.org user composition)
« on: December 13, 2013, 11:59:23 AM »
And so, it became time for me to manifest something tangible in the black metal spirit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIx_Liv0zL8

http://www.deathmetal.org/forum/index.php/topic,17975.0.html (all 4 tracks, on depositfiles)

I have been working hard on this 4 track demo for some months, and filtered through my abilities on guitar (which is not my usual instrument), and home recording capabilities, this is my first attempt to meld cold minimalism and ambiance with an element of structure and grandeur.

Perhaps you will like it,

Please lend me your feedback at any rate.

Cheers
https://www.facebook.com/Impositionbm

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Audiofile / Imposition
« on: December 13, 2013, 11:56:51 AM »
Minimalistic black metal from Australia

Imposition

Imposition - Memento Mori (2013, depositfiles)





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I would nominate Lantern - 'Below' to the list.

As a side note, the Burzum album isn't metal. So how can that be included?

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In what sense do you think there is spirituality in Darwin's thinking, and how does this relate to Tao (out of genuine interest)?


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Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 05, 2013, 11:35:35 AM »
Nah man; Cog is just, like, too complex and shit. The only way to appreciate it is to have a music degree and a bong.

Perhaps, more or less as all the great music on this website was analysed, if I'm not mistaken.

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Damn well play that Ijdarn song without the ridiculously exaggerated 'low fi' feel and the 'necro' vocals and you wouldn't piss on it, I'm sure.

Well, you'd be wrong. On the recent split, there's multiple instrumental tracks with more modern production. It's still quality material.

Do you have a link? I would be interested to hear.

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Cog and Tool (Tool have fucking embarrassing moments - don't think I'm a complete fan boy), are rock, with developed rhythmic sensibility, but which knocks out harmony. I don't even think they would call themselves metal.

I agree; however, I have seen them referred to in that way.

Post-alternative rock?

It's progressive alternative rock maybe. Why the stress of value laden term 'progressive'? Well it has progressed one dimension of alternative rock - rhythm. This is better than 'Progressive Grunge'  because Grunge, as a sub-genre of the vague label 'alternative rock', has a lighter mood.

Alternatively, I don't care anymore.

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Metal / Re: Top 10 Best Progressive Metal Bands
« on: December 05, 2013, 11:19:15 AM »
>:( I guess Cog is just 2Deep4Me >:(

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And what objective features of that retarded Ildjarn track makes it profound?

Evisceration of pretense. Void of sentimentality. Audio nihilism.

You are advocating technique over substance.

Wrong. There are 2 time signature alterations I can discern in that song: from 7/8 to 9/8 and then back. That is nowhere near the extend some stupid bands go to.

That song is like surfing, I Imagine. You wrap yourself around an evolving motion, and ride it as it circles you, and you adjust yourself to it's flow. Its like 2 planets circling each other in different orbits, and discerning the patterns in which they irregularly but systematically meet up 

You're advocating aesthetics over substance. Damn well play that Ijdarn song without the ridiculously exaggerated 'low fi' feel and the 'necro' vocals and you wouldn't piss on it, I'm sure.

Since you edited:

If you want to argue that Cog and Tool are too "developed" from grunge, fine. What would you label them?

"Post-metal" and "Alternative metal" are not serious monikers.

It's not post-metal, post metal is mostly droney, boring longwinded stuff in standard time. Alternative metal is wrong too, I would think, because it's not metal. It's rock. Rock is mostly about rhythm and harmony, with minimal melodic sensibility. Cog and Tool (Tool have fucking embarrassing moments - don't think I'm a complete fan boy), are rock, with developed rhythmic sensibility, but which knocks out harmony. I don't even think they would call themselves metal.

Anyway, that's my wrap.

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