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Interzone / Re: Out from darkness
« on: March 12, 2014, 08:08:06 AM »
Plato's Theurgy accomplishes the same end goal without needing to fall into the mental barbarism and self contradiction of Nihilsm.
Theurgy is what lies beyond nihilism. The aim: to become one with reality.

It's a mental patchwork for the process of reflection when the shortcomings of abstraction are put under the microscope. A process that inevitably leads to Nihilism if left uncorrected. In a sense I suppose you're correct in that one eventually puts faith in "something" that seems to be workable where the rubber meets the road. 

Interzone / Re: Out from darkness
« on: March 11, 2014, 06:14:44 PM »
Well. I would have said that, too, had this not be a nihilist website :)
Shame on you Vigilance. One demerit.

I thought this was a death metal website and ANUS was the Nihilist place. Granted the population and forums rolled over during the merger, but still.

Interzone / Re: Out from darkness
« on: March 11, 2014, 03:14:34 PM »
Plato's Theurgy accomplishes the same end goal without needing to fall into the mental barbarism and self contradiction of Nihilsm.

Interzone / Re: Crimea 2014
« on: March 11, 2014, 08:04:00 AM »
Ukraine gave birth to Russia.  There was a state called Kievan Rus for a reason.  While Belarus is not so distinct from Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, and Hungary are very much distinct and share common ties to non-Slavic nations by either inception (Lithuania is Baltic, Hungary is Magyar), or by ancient relations as Poland and Ukraine were very much attached to Germanic peoples even though many of the people were Slavic.  Such a truth may upset nationalists and pan-Slavists, pan-Germanists, and pan-Turanists, but it is the reality.

There's a flux to human nationality. Migration, colonialism, imperial expansion, slavery. All these mechanisms ensure that nationality is a fleeting thing.

Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 11, 2014, 07:40:58 AM »
I am going to react to anyone who chooses to waltz in and declare that his understanding of "God" is the only correct one possible, and other interpretations are not only false, but a sin.

You yourself claimed recently that God and Satan were metaphors.

He knows something you clearly don't, Wild.

Yeah, and so does Bruce Charlton.

This didn't happen. All he said is that the word God is not the thing it describes. The "sin" is in false attribution. 

Edit: he beat me to it.

Edit, edit:

I think defining God with the understanding per the above is fine in order to get to shared values and shared meaning. Otherwise civilization fragments. Which is less important to some than others, but the reality is: they form anyway, so why make them nightmares?

Interzone / Re: Why?
« on: March 11, 2014, 06:25:59 AM »
How is any experience not an abstraction?

Because abstraction is a distinct mental process that takes you from identifying this or that to these. You start at figuration, this barking four legged creature, that barking four legged creature, and the next step is the formulation of the abstraction "dog."

Interzone / Re: Deleted post.
« on: March 09, 2014, 01:26:47 PM »
It's too bad it was deleted. Misuses of Neizche are all too common.

Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 09, 2014, 12:48:37 PM »
We don't really "mess" with the framework though. Our actions have consequences. If you aren't mindful of the ecological conditions wthat are necessary to produce the natural goods and services (wind, water, etc. such that it can be understood as energy) upon which your civilization relies, then collapse is all but assured. It isn't like at any point people just started changing the way things work.

Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 06, 2014, 01:53:36 PM »
If the person was removed, meaning would neither matter, nor exist.
But since the person exists, so does meaning.
Take away the meaning, and the person may as well not exist.
Maybe there is an inherent flaw in the nihilistic outlook?

Here's the flaw:

The idea that meaning is only a mental abstraction, is still a mental abstraction. Nihilists put their faith in one mental abstraction to reject another. It's incoherent and it's maddening.

Interzone / Re: Crimea 2014
« on: March 06, 2014, 09:01:49 AM »
Russia is looking to copy the American model of franchisement. It makes sense, as putting countries under direct imperial management is expensive. The soviets learned it the hard way.

Interzone / Re: What does it mean?
« on: March 06, 2014, 07:42:08 AM »
Wot, will this aspiring blood of Lancaster sink?
I thought it would have mounted!
Oh may such purple tears always be shed for those who wish the down fall of our house..
And if any spark of life be yet remaining,
DOWN, down unto hell and say I sent thee thithaaa!

Metal / Re: Top tier metal of the last decade (2003 - 2013)
« on: March 06, 2014, 07:39:35 AM »
I'm going to get behind the Profanatica release in addition to the OP.

Oath bound has moments of greatness next to plodding disaster.
Old Mornings Dawn while excellent, isn't really a metal album.

Lord Wind:
Honestly, this music is just GAY. Like some bad LARP soundtrack. It looks too much to the past. I'd rather hear genuine folk relevant to now. Not not BS psuedo pagan populism.

Averse Sefira:
Musically brilliant, but the objectification of emotion at the core of the music is wanting. Don't get me wrong, the band deserves high praise, but they are just under top tier.

The Chasm:
They peaked long ago and it shows. This record isn't bad by any means. Adventurous but lacking in concise presentation of ideas.

Excellent debut hampered by muddy production that loses the music under the vocals. The songwriting does need some work. There are awkward transitions between ideas here and there. On occasion, portions of the internal narrative feel forced. Highly recommended but again, just under top tier.

My submission: Imprecation - Satana Tenebrea whatever

Clear concise communication. This is an album with a purpose. It sounds inspired and unlike much of the OSDM crowd it manages to have its own voice.

Interzone / Re: Crimea 2014
« on: March 05, 2014, 02:27:14 PM »
I'd also add that the Russians have pretty much been an imperial people since the day they first emerged into conscious existence as a nation, while the Ukrainians have pretty much always been a subject people.  That's one of those iron truths of history, and it's why Ukraine has no real history as an independent state: it is and has always been an appendage of the Russian Empire.

I used to think it was fair that every nation should have the right to it's own identity, but now (and especially with this situation) one would have to question whether that is even the case; don't all struggles for 'rights' seem as though they were inspired by some utopian dream originating in liberal mind-set?

I think that a basic set of civil liberties, like national sovereignty is something that a nation who desires such things to earn and conserve by their own hand. I don't see any reason to believe either is rooted in Utopian dreaming. Especially when you consider that a right to bear arms requires accepting the implicit risks of that right to ones personal safety. Many, like myself, view them as safeguards against abuse, not gatekeys to brighter pastures.  As the quote I gave in the thread on liberty mentions, in order to have the safeguards operational in a meaningful sense, the population must sacrifice individual autonomy, not make gains. If you look at the development of liberalism, it ran towards the contrary.

Metal / Re: Profanatica - Thy Kingdom Cum
« on: March 05, 2014, 08:10:59 AM »
With this album being one of maybe 3 releases from last year that has stuck with me, I've had some time to absorb.

Initially this material and the preceding EP felt dissatifying on the drum front. I was used to Ledney's idiosyncratic almost ritualistic drumming and felt that he became bored or lazy on this album. After many, many, listens I came to understand just how out of place that sort of drumming would sound next to the rest of the music. Awkward and distracting.

The wholly modern production is the best they've had and a high mark for the genre. It manages to remain full and organic while retaining the clarity you expect from a digitally produced and recorded record.

The dedududedudu riffs were off-putting initially but this record isn't about hate. It is a celebration through mockery and arrogance. It jeers more than it is meant to jab. It transcends beauty through darkness for which black metal is known. In my opinion, it was the perfect place to go after DBAG and the last EP for Profanatica.

Interzone / Re: Conformal Cyclic Cosmology
« on: March 04, 2014, 07:38:23 AM »
And you'd be correct. I was speaking in the present tense. Christianity as a sensibility has legitimate value and its institution did save Europe after the fall of Rome. Unfortunately that institution is the one that really shut the door which was never opened even after the various reformations and schisms that brought it to where it is to today. I will go out on a limb though and say the Gospel of Thomas really needs to be preserved and taught above all other Christian texts for a variety of reasons I'll need more coffee to go into.

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