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I get what Vigilance is saying.
Consider that he started with an assumption: Meaning is not real, meaning is the product of human minds. It is the most basic platform from which we develop ideas like nihilism.
Now what he means is clear; The more meaning you find in something, the more withdrawn you are from the actual meaningless reality of the something.
My car means a lot to me, because I rely on it to achieve my goals (which are admittedly quite meaningless). To someone else who does not rely on my car's utility, my car is less meaningful to them. It does not represent anything outside of its own existence as a car.
So meaning is basically a measurement of the significance of utility reflected in an object (or idea, song, what have you).
Now of course I see both sides and can not make a decision on the meaningfulness of meaning. So it is a human invention, a psychological crutch or restraint. So is my car, yet I accomplish tasks with it, and so cause changes in the actual reality surrounding myself.
Real, not real. Sometimes I only confuse myself more by drawing a distinction.
No that's not at all what I meant. Meaning and dreaming are real. People looking to quantify meaning with some abstract generalization drawn from outside the self, are in error.
The only way you can get an objective correspondence to show others is by way of art, really. Art gives concrete and objective form to meaning. Writing can get the job done, but I don't think it is the best vehicle.
And the meaning of that is?
It means that you've beaten the thing down with abstraction and probably lost sight of the thing, as it is, entirely.
What's Nietzsche's relationship to metaphysical objectivism?
He's a stoic in this regard. He says it's there but we lack the tools to discern it in a pure sense. The closest he gets is through the "will to power."
Every theistic religion tends towards inequality, hierarchy and elitism. These are structures which Bowden supports, same as Nietzsche. Nietzsche's project was in essence an attempt to restore per judeo-Christian pagan morality. Bowden identified himself as a pagan.
Nietzsche expresses his sympathies towards Christianity early on in thus spake by the way.
Bowden says that metaphysically objectivist view is worth a hundren men, or some number. Religion falls within that category but so does Bowden's views on the metaphysically objective "fire" as he inherited the concept from Heraclitus.
« on: December 01, 2013, 05:15:07 PM »
- It made a great cover. (Bootleg, not album)
- Dead people dont complain when you use their skull bits as necklaces.
- I also hope black metal spreads a bit more misery around, we could use it.
With this you very much confirm the criticism many have of a lot of black metal artist's disregard for human life. Even some of the members from Mayhem were repulsed by Euronymous' actions.
Black metal was against the crowd, artistically, ideologically. Making this sort of appeal, even internal to the black metal crowd, is misguided on your part.
As far as we KNOW... no one ever knew it, actually.
As far as we can see, it's all stories made up by humans to explain things they cannot understand.
Such can be said of any system of knowledge. Functionality is what happens to be important, not terminology. If you want to go with the theory that things fall to the ground because they have a love affair with the earth and that rate is 10 m^2 then you have something that is workable regardless of whether or not the objects in fact do have a love affair or you just call it gravity.
Paradoxes, self contradictory collections of narratives and nonsensical views are OK to have as long as they work where the rubber meets the road. You're probably better off with them than nothing.
Whether God is reality or transcendent of it is largely irrelevant next to what you build from that foundation.
« on: November 27, 2013, 02:29:49 AM »
Plant's voice in "Fool in the Rain" is completely unbearable.
I agree with the guy who said technology. Material factors are the main drives of human history - physical conditions, material comfort, and technology levels. These are the sort of things everyone is affected by.
This is my main issue with all ideological die-hards, both leftists and rightists. It's not political ideologies that cause massive worldwide changes. Only someone who lives in a fantasy world, with his head far up his own ass, seriously believes that ivory-tower political ideas are the engines of history.
The technologies society produces are always contingent on cultural narratives telling them what is important and what they should produce. Physical conditions and resource base are propellants, but towards what? Enter: Ideas. Shifts in narrative cause large changes, mismatches between expectation and reality cause mismanagement which causes collapse.
There are any number of directions technology will go, just as there are any number of directions resources will be allocated. Politics are subservient to the same dominant narratives which are strictly within the realm of ideas; the engine of history.
That's the type of church I like to attend
We shape clay into a pot,
but it is the emptiness inside
that holds whatever we want.
We hammer wood for a house,
but it is the inner space
that makes it livable.
That is why I prefer a building for such exercises. Cultivate the inner space. Fill it as it fills you.