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Interzone / Re: The engine of history
« on: November 14, 2013, 11:12:36 PM »
The primary mover for all societal change has always been technology.  If you want to see a stable society, just look to the ones who have had minimal influence from technological advance.

This leads right back into ideas. Technology is always created to fill a purpose and that purpose always has some relation to something a particular cultural dispensation thinks is important.

The minimalist societies you describe never make it very far into the world of abstraction and thus, their technologies are not terribly advanced in relation to high civilization.

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Interzone / Re: The engine of history
« on: November 13, 2013, 06:52:37 PM »
Irreducibly complex. Your best bet is to keep an eye out for patterns matching what we've seen before. If W, X and Y are happening, have happened, then it's safe to conclude D is around the corner.

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Interzone / Re: Brave New World
« on: November 12, 2013, 07:34:48 PM »
If we didn't know suffering, we wouldn't know strength.

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Interzone / Re: If it really is me.
« on: November 11, 2013, 10:21:10 PM »
If you don't think it means you are uncaring, since only uncaring individuals are unkind and not very thoughtful.

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Interzone / Re: Misanthropy
« on: November 11, 2013, 10:18:41 PM »
I believe that if humanity's technology is left unchecked, they will destroy the planet. As in, literally. Shot to pieces.

Nothings impossible. Though, between us girls, I'm not too worried. It's checked by a dwindling resource base.

Isn't there enough nuclear proliferation out there already to destroy the planet? Or is that an urban legend?

Crows comment notwithstanding, nuclear weapons are sought and maintained as glorified insurance programs. Nuclear capability is a good way to make sure: 1) foreign boots don't end up on your soil 2) foreign nukes don't end up on your soil.

Rejoice! Take comfort in the fact that nuclear war is a low probability and the stock pile is more likely to go inert across the globe as resources are diverted to more pressing matters. Sure there is a chance for circumstance to arise where bombs get dropped. The closest Russia and US got to flying nukes at each other was the result of error, not will.

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Interzone / Re: Misanthropy
« on: November 11, 2013, 09:42:28 PM »
I believe that if humanity's technology is left unchecked, they will destroy the planet. As in, literally. Shot to pieces.

Nothings impossible. Though, between us girls, I'm not too worried. It's checked by a dwindling resource base.

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Interzone / Re: Misanthropy
« on: November 11, 2013, 06:49:51 PM »
No I don't disagree, it would be hard to considering climate change typically collapses civilizations that modify their environment too heavily. Life goes on however.

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Interzone / Re: Misanthropy
« on: November 11, 2013, 06:36:12 PM »
Modifying one's environment is part and parcel of the natural order, even if doing so is destructive.  I see no foul play here. Differences in scale are not differences in kind.

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Interzone / Re: Misanthropy
« on: November 10, 2013, 03:37:54 AM »
Condition was a better term (swimming in seven seas of Chianti).

We are basically on the same page now so ill touch on the last few points from my perspective.

I have a hard time preffering one lifeform to the next. Predator populations often need to be culled by humans due to their lack of regard for equilibrium(not unlike us). Hell, walnuts poison the soil. If I have a single charge against humanity it is thus: I expect better from my own. I do find it challenging to take that very far because.....

Like cats, humans are what they are, even in their worst moments. Even existential crises are part and parcel of the human experiece. If there are lines, i honestly do not see them.

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Interzone / Re: If it really is me.
« on: November 10, 2013, 03:03:32 AM »
5 Khandas, these are not my soul.

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Interzone / Re: Misanthropy
« on: November 10, 2013, 02:51:13 AM »
I've been noticing a lot of misanthropy around here. The other Hessians like to note that cats never cleared a forest or created a nuclear bomb, but I would like to note that cats also never composed a beautiful symphony or fell in love.

I ain't knocking on cats, they have their place but so does humanity. If it weren't for humans the universe couldn't observe itself.

And humans are intelligent, in many ways liberalism is a disease that only appears in civilizations too smart for their own good. Of course you take intelligence a step higher then you can realize the folly in liberalism.

Cats might not clear forests but certain forms of bush evolved a susceptibility to brush fire . the species does well for itself after the flames. Life modifying the environment is as common as aids in the castro.

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Interzone / Re: Misanthropy
« on: November 10, 2013, 02:45:27 AM »
This is your argument:

Humans have modified a world in such scope that cats must be influenced/violence does not contribute to neurotic behavior/cats are intrinsically neurotic.

Nothing leads from one to the other.

That is not an accurate perception.

1) Neurosis is a potential.

2) Any claims made in respects to the behavior of cats has to accept the human influence.

It's assumed that we are talking about the domestic breeds here and not lions or tigers.

Anecdotally, I have experienced neurotic behavior in cats that were not the product of abuse. This statement does not disqualify abuse as a cause, and it was not my intention to communicate otherwise.

I hope this clears it up.

 

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Interzone / Re: Misanthropy
« on: November 10, 2013, 01:27:37 AM »
Considering abused animals as evidence to the contrary of your claims would completely invalidate my position. I assure you I am not making that mistake.

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Interzone / Re: Misanthropy
« on: November 10, 2013, 12:43:59 AM »
How many cats does one encounter that have not been tempered in one way or another by humanity?

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Interzone / Re: Misanthropy
« on: November 10, 2013, 12:38:21 AM »
I wasn't implying ownership of these animals. I never name them and most are rescues.

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