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Interzone / Re: Conformal Cyclic Cosmology
« on: March 03, 2014, 07:53:32 PM »
One thought...
Whatever It is about, and whatever Is going on, our own part in It is to be exactly as we were intended to be, in as accomplished a way as possible. This is surprisingly easy to achieve...
The obvious realization, for each identity, is that It is important, and not the individual.
The part the individual plays is to be part of It. To see, to know, to live.
Too easy, so far, for the billions of individuals to recognize.
Too simple to see.

...the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty, and it is you who are that poverty

Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 28, 2014, 05:31:16 PM »
The word reality being a shibboleth around here is annoying, but that comes from Brett's ANUS, not crow's tenure.

Interzone / Re: Liberty
« on: February 28, 2014, 05:24:44 PM »
False dichotomy.

Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites [...] in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters

Interzone / Re: Sanity.
« on: February 24, 2014, 09:53:16 PM »
There are mental models and then there are the things they describe. It is a mistaken too often made in literate civilizations, to mistake the model for the thing it describes. It is even more of a mistake, when they attempt to correct the error by asserting nihilism by suggesting we should abandon all mental models. Collective thought and action goes right out the door and the civilization collapses.

We need to be reminded that "cave" is not the thing it describes. We don't need to throw "cave" out because it is not the thing in itself.

Interzone / Re: The way things never were - The way things will never be
« on: February 24, 2014, 07:46:33 PM »
I need to recharge. We can discuss it in the future.

Interzone / Re: Further ruminations
« on: February 24, 2014, 03:40:36 PM »
If you're looking for constructive conversation, it's not going to be found in the metal crowd. Period. Most metal heads are fatalists or to some degree drop outs. Fuck em.

If anything, an Amerika.org forum would be far more productive in building a real community around conservatism. Not simply towards the conversation end, but in organizing real community action; the next step after talking and building a loyal readership.

The unfortunate reality, and this is something built into the psychological framework of the internet, is that people get to ventilate, put their beliefs and opinions out there in public and that "feels" like accomplishment. Most never get round to meaningful action.

Interzone / Re: The way things never were - The way things will never be
« on: February 24, 2014, 03:19:42 PM »
In the interests of not repeating past conversations I think we can put a cap on this one.

Interzone / Re: So you want Nihilism?
« on: February 24, 2014, 03:09:08 PM »
If there is some other greater goal at work, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to state it.

I think the situation here isn't about a specific goal, but a realization of life.

What is the problem with humanity? Most people will defer blame: corporations, politicians, the rich, etc.

The problem as I see it is that ordinary people don't stand up and take responsibility for maintaining things.

If your friend sets up a practice room, you help keep it clean and maintained, maybe pay the bills.

The situation is the same here: we are doing good work. It requires people to pitch in and help, not necessarily in an organized fashion, but as part of maintaining things.

Crow's also called a lot of you poseurs and he's right. People who talk about being nihilists and then live their lives exactly as the rest of the herd are suspect.

So other than civility there's really nothing more? I mean granted, you're looking for writers and technical staff maybe, but beyond that the forum is just for chatting?

I've never flown the nihilist flag.

Interzone / Re: So you want Nihilism?
« on: February 23, 2014, 05:42:14 PM »
I was going to leave this be, but I wanted to see what exactly it is that the moderators are trying to accomplish, specifically.

Interzone / Re: The way things never were - The way things will never be
« on: February 23, 2014, 05:40:24 PM »
The idea that man has rights given to him by his creator is a delusion. Our constitutional rights are real things, now. Unless they are devaluated and cast aside. Once they have no effects, they'll cease to be real.

Interzone / Re: So you want Nihilism?
« on: February 23, 2014, 05:19:40 PM »
People have been coming to chat. If there is some other greater goal at work, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to state it. The moderators could then guide the forum through to that end through thread creation and delete threads that do not work towards those ends.

It might be better to just create a new forum dedicated to which ever project you're hoping to undertake.

Interzone / Re: The way things never were - The way things will never be
« on: February 23, 2014, 05:13:30 PM »
Vigilance: You ask for an opinion? I have none to offer.
But here is some insight into how I default to feeling about such things...

I have never had the slightest interest in 'rights'. I actually don't even understand what such things are. It seems to me that they are figments of peoples' imaginations. They have no existence, in reality.

The only thing I've really ever held as being of great importance is the ability to leave town when the town falls apart. And now you have caused me to consider it, I would say that I would rather have no rights at all, if it meant I could at least rely on somebody who knew WTF they were doing, being in charge.

In short, I don't give a toss about me, as long as It is in good hands.

Good hands. Like Pat Jennings: Northern Ireland goalkeeper. A still-living legend :)

The idea of natural rights is just that, an idea. No basis in anything outside the values of civilization. Then, being within the fabric of a civilization certainly makes them real all the same.

Interzone / Re: The way things never were - The way things will never be
« on: February 23, 2014, 05:08:14 PM »
To be clear:

Is there value in individual liberties such as property rights, right to bear arms, protection from unreasonable search and seizure?

A lot of that is from ancient Anglo Saxon common law. You don't want a false accusation from a bad neighbor to bring blind justice crashing down on your household. I don't know what to make of the Magna Carta restatement but the constitutional re-restatements grew alongside the birth of statism. There are plenty of examples of life in modern nation states where such protections are denied.

The way I look at it at this point: Entangled origins aside, are these items worth holding onto? Y,N?

Incorporationism, such as it applies to rights and statism, is probably the largest issue with rights in the US and unquestionably belongs in the trash. 

Interzone / Re: The way things never were - The way things will never be
« on: February 23, 2014, 05:30:23 AM »
So it would follow that our world is the result of our spirits. If the modern world is soulless and blighted that should inform us about the spirits of those who shape and impact it. When spirits are broken by modern life, a cycle has begun.

Indeed. It's surprising that the Enlightenment dream is still as strong as it is amidst the bleak civilization it left.

Interzone / Re: The way things never were - The way things will never be
« on: February 23, 2014, 05:27:11 AM »
Granted, but are the items listed valuable to you?

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