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Metal / Re: Metalcore, definition
« on: March 19, 2009, 01:01:28 PM »
I see two types. In the beginning, metalcore, as opposed to "crossover", was applied to early- 90's bands like Integrity, Biohazard, Earth Crisis...pretty much any of the Victory Records bands. Growing out of NYHC, that style was basically simplified speed metal riffs slowed down half-time and interspersed with breakdowns to mark the climax of a song. It grew in parallel to post-hardcore, and shares the same broad tendency to distance oneself from an ostensible punk sound while still carrying the same mentality. At some point, bands like Converge threw in emo and proggier tendencies to differentiate themselves from the more "toughguy" acts like Hatebreed.

What I think unites the two strands of metalcore, is a centering of songs not on distinct riffs so much as hooky percussive rhythmic arrangements wrapped in the dogmatic emotion of personality. It works well insomuch as you can throw any superficial style on top of it and make deathcore/mathcore/rapcore etc. Its all basically nu-metal with a crunchier guitar sound.

I agree. I used to think of bands like Pro-Pain, Merauder, Machine Head, Biohazard etc when hearing the word Metalcore back in the 90'es.

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Metal / Re: Dead Infection
« on: March 19, 2009, 12:59:10 PM »
A Chapter of Accidents is by far my fave from this band. Haven't checked out any of the later stuff. Surgical has it's morbid charm.

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Metal / Re: Hardcore bands that influenced metal
« on: March 19, 2009, 12:57:47 PM »
I'll do my best to try to correlate what I see are similarities between some hardcore bands and metal bands. (as an aside, I really liked Neurosis' "Pain of Mind", very under-appreciated hardcore album)

Agnostic Front definitely had an influence (Napalm Death covered them)

Cro-Mags (could be counted as thrash, depends on how one views it)

Infest and Siege (proto-grind)

Black Flag, who practically turned metal with their later material.

Void, a short lived hardcore band whose guitarist's riffing style is an interesting one for their time period, as his riffing calls to mind thrash and even a bit of death metal.

Swedish first wave hardcore bands, like Totalitar and Anti-Cimex, definitely in my view had a hand in helping out the soon-to-be-flowering death metal scene in their country.

Other bands that may be less significant to metal's development, but are still worthy of praise, are Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Circle Jerks (first 2 albums), Descendants, Die Kreuzen, and Fear.

Best post yet. I would like to add Discharge to this list. They had a HUGE influence on alot of the Thrash Metal bands of the early 80'es. Cro-Mags sure influenced alot of bands, but they came abit late. I don't think it was before the early 90'es that alot of Metal bands really started to notice them.

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Metal / Re: Morbid Angel question.
« on: March 19, 2009, 12:54:04 PM »
Flowing, like a stream of manure from a cow's ass? You're putting words into my mouth and distracting from the real issue in my post. Nowhere did I say that I didn't like Blessed, I just used it as an example, not that it's any concern of yours what I like and what I don't. Nice attempted appeal to authority by the way, "IF U DONT LIKE _______, ULL BE BURNED BY THE METAL INQUISITION!!!!!". Next time you should try a bit harder to point out its brilliance, which shouldn't be hard if it's so obvious.

You seriously must be trolling at this point. You say the album flows like a stream of manure, then you say that you don't dislike the album? If it's brilliance is obvious, why do I need to point it out? I don't think we're seeing the album differently, we just have different criterias on what we think is good.

I personally love the different breaks in the album. The album unfolds like a story. It never becomes mundane. There is always conflict, yet structure in what the album is saying. The album starts off slowly, then builds with Fall from Grace, then continues on with Brainstorm, followed by the organic solo in Rebel Lands, which sounds like spirits rising from the earth as David Vincent screams for his forefathers to rise once again, continuing along with the doomy Doomsday Celebration, back to the attack with Day of Suffering, which leads to the heart of the album, with Blessed are the Sick. Just read the lyrics to that song. They are brilliant, and is where you truly understand the meaning of this album.

When Vincent says, "Blessed are we, to taste this life of sin", he is explaining how fortunate, or, "blessed" they are to have released themselves from the holy chains of religion and obedience and have truly embraced what freedom and living truly is. Isn't this what life in this world is about? To remove one's guilt of what they find pleasure in, and to seek it out for themselves? This is what this album is screaming for, it's what it MUST have. This is an incredibly powerful idea.

Both Thy Kingdom Come and Unholy Blasphemies keep things powerful, which leads to probably my favorite song on the album, Abominations. The lyrics to this song in particular are so creative and image provoking, that it always gets me, even after many many listens. If one pays attention during the middle chorus of that song, and listens to how the squealing guitar sounds and the main riff play off eachother, and even moreso with the last guitar solo, they will notice the dueling guitar sounds playing off eachother, much like the figures on the booksleeve, which mirror eachother. Desolate ways, of course, is simply beauty and isolation amongst all the chaos, which leads to the finally assault with The Ancient ones, which ends the confict and leads the album to it's end. And In Remembrance sounds like the sadness and end of the journey.

It may seem a bit dramatic to break it down like this, but for me, this album really feels like I've gone somewhere. It isn't just random songs constructed together, like later Morbid Angel albums do.

I could not have described this work of art better!

I do however NOT agree, with anyone on this board, that Domination is a commercial album. Comparing it to ARE YOU TALKIN TO ME? is just rediculous and people here should know why.

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Metal / Re: This is what metal is up against
« on: August 20, 2008, 11:15:06 AM »
I will admit that Nile's early stuff was a decent Liers In Wait rip-off. I dig Nevermore alot. Great band. No discussion. Rest is shit.

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Metal / Re: Angel Corpse
« on: August 19, 2008, 01:57:39 PM »
I have never been able to get into this band. I first started with "Hammer Of Gods", and before i realized it i was halfway through the album. I couldn't remember anything i had just heard. So i deleted it and tried "Of Lucifer and Lightning". Again, i didn't get it. The whole package just comes off as very bland. Not for me thank you.

That would be the 2 wrong albums to start out with. Check Exterminate. Read the lyrics while you hear the music and ill promise you that you'll never forget.

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Metal / Re: Angel Corpse
« on: August 18, 2008, 10:50:06 AM »
On a second note, I never saw Angel Corpse as a Black Metal band AT ALL. Neither do I look upon Order From Chaos as a Black Metal band. I always found Pete's Metal endeavors to come off as stricktly Death Metal.

I always saw them as a hybrid. OFC was strictly Death Metal, but Angel Corpse always had more of a Black Metal aesthetic and melodic development.

Melodic development? Do you mean the Morbid Angel-ish tremolo picking? That still sounds very Death Metal to me. Not that it's important anyway.

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Metal / Re: Angel Corpse
« on: August 17, 2008, 11:39:58 AM »
On a second note, I never saw Angel Corpse as a Black Metal band AT ALL. Neither do I look upon Order From Chaos as a Black Metal band. I always found Pete's Metal endeavors to come off as stricktly Death Metal.

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Metal / Re: Angel Corpse
« on: August 17, 2008, 11:36:12 AM »
Overall I think Exterminate was where they peaked. The Inorexable wasn't a bad album at all. But it wasn't as good as the album before. The new album was just a huge miss for me. That sadly didn't live up to my expectations at all. I agree with you about Pete's lyrics and concepts. Not since Cro Mags "Best Wishes" have I heard something as convincing and clear in message. It's funny that you name-drop Averse Sefira. I never came around to check them out but a friend of mine put out an album called "Tetragrammatical Astygmata" on his label. I was kinda surprised to se you compare them to Angel Corpse. I thought they where more like a proggy black metal band.

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Metal / Re: Infester's influences?
« on: August 16, 2008, 09:50:58 AM »
Why was my post deleted?

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Metal / Re: Deathspell Omega
« on: August 15, 2008, 05:58:44 PM »
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I wasn't around for Ulver's "prank on black metal", so I guess I just wasted a couple seconds of your life by making this comment. I have heard Ulver though, and what I got from Nattens Madrigal and some interview statements is that they were a bunch of pretentious elitists with nothing to really be elitist about, since their music was seemingly well-composed at first, but...well, let's put it this way: the first riff of that album screams this to me: "OK. Let's create something black metal. OK. Let's do a speed picked minor-chord arpeggio. That's pretty fucking black metal. Alright...ok...what next...oh yeah, let's do a unique progression, let's progress from that speed picked minor chord arpeggio directly to a speed picked power-chord that's a 5th away from the the minor chord previously speed picked, then let's do a short little black metal melody based on the root note of this particular scale...etc."
Nattens Madrigal really isn't so good, Ulver in their early days were fantastic though, Bergtatt is one of the best early black metal album, and the demo is pretty good too. It's a shame they turned to garbage.

DSO are very overrated, I mostly agree with Prozak's review, well played black metal with nothing to say.

I think that Nattens Madrigal is much better than Bergtatt. That album was just... Weak if you ask me.

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Metal / Re: later Massacra
« on: August 15, 2008, 05:50:44 PM »
I think Signs of The Decline is the best Massacra album BY FAR. To me that was where they reached their potential. Matthias Limmer's drum performance on that album is just out of this world. I was never too much into Enjoy The Violence and Final Holocaust. Too static for me. Too much salad and not enough meat.

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Metal / Angel Corpse
« on: August 15, 2008, 05:41:42 PM »
The early works Angel Corpse (up and till Exterminate) has to some of the most straight forward yet transcendental Death Metal ever created. The combination of primitive aggression and complex ideas makes for an unforgettable ride. I always like Order From Chaos but it seemed that the crude punk-fused music of OFC never really went that well hand in hand with Pete's lyrics and concepts. That all changed with the Corpse.

I used to hear alot of people accusing them of being a Morbid Angel clone band. In my eyes they are so much more than that. They come off as a sterile and well calculated killing machine where Morbid Angel aound the time of Heretic's release seemed like a band at war with itself. Did anyone say Robbins?

Anyway, This is a thread about Angel Corpse. How do you people feel about them?

Ps. I have been trying to browse this forum for a topic on Angel Corpse without luck. So if there already is one then please forgive me.

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Metal / Re: Infester's influences?
« on: August 15, 2008, 05:21:26 PM »
Did someone say Obituary? It's obvious that Obituary are the continuation of Celtic Frost and there is no Frost in Infester from what ive heard. So that's pretty far-fetched.

I think believe that some influences could have been the early works of bands like Incantation, Immolation, Mortician, Vital Remains and maybe even NYDM bands like Internal Bleeding, Pyrexia and Suffocation. We are talking real early stuff. Someone mentioned the Seattle Sludge/Doom scene and that might be true aswell. But judging from the artwork aesthetics I think the above mentioned bands could have been an obvious influence.

I have been trying to find informantion on this band for years. I even wrote Odin from Moribund a mail but didn't get much out of it. They did do something interviews for a couple of old zines. But I never had any luck tracking them down. I was in contact with a guy on the FMP board who had some old drawings and paintings done by the guy who did the artwork for "To the Depths... In Degradation" in his possession. But after promising to post some pictures he sadly disappeared.

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