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Interzone / Re: Good deeds
« on: November 06, 2008, 12:03:18 AM »
one could easily make the argument that veterans, by being former warriors, should be honored. not because they are weak and helpless now, but because they offered themselves to the greater values of their culture. a better way to ask the same question would be to use non-veteran cripples or drug addicts

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Interzone / Re: Predominant racial types amongst metal musicians
« on: November 04, 2008, 12:18:27 PM »
It could be argued just as easily that the female form is that of an underdeveloped man.
it's not an argument, it's a scientifically verified and well-known reality. "underdeveloped," in that context, suggests a way of looking at the world in which morals and opinions mold reality. if you want to have a debate over whether female or male bodies are a "higher" form, look elsewhere. males are modifications of female bodies - the x-y chromosome interaction, fetal development, and virgin births all point to this. it's the same in most other animals as well(i won't say "all," but that's simply because i don't know).

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Interzone / Re: Predominant racial types amongst metal musicians
« on: November 04, 2008, 02:19:48 AM »
On the original topic, I wonder if we are assuming that universal (gender-independent) good looks are inherently associated with femininity. Therefore, if we assert that Varg/Quothorn are good looking and hence feminine in appearance then I wonder if we have arrived at the conclusion via social conditioning: "true men must be tough and brutal", this may conjur a mental image that is in contrast with our assumed (learned) meaning of good looks. I would presume that the conclusion we arrive at is expected for any heterosexual modern male, we are not conditioned to consider other males as good looking. I further wonder how well we can separate a notion of universal good looks from sexual attraction.

it wouldn't necessarily be social conditioning to ifnd female traits more naturally attractive than male traits; our genetic basis is female

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Metal / Re: Beherit
« on: November 03, 2008, 06:36:13 PM »
what? that track is excellent

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Interzone / Re: Good deeds
« on: November 02, 2008, 05:05:06 AM »
what was your point More Celt Then Sassenach?

just to talk about how you helped someone, somehow boosting your ego? quite a pointless and self-indulged post.
sounds to me like he was relating to the original post's author by telling him about a similar experience of his own. this is a normal behavior for a group of people who share common values, as it reinforces the bonds by which those values are held. which, unlike unwarranted speculations on intention, makes it the absolute opposite of egotism

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Interzone / Re: Rules for Being a Modern Person
« on: November 02, 2008, 04:59:19 AM »
seems that these all fall into one of the following general attitudes:

Ignore reality - accept that everything operates at face value alone, don't consider that there are things beyond you.

Distract yourself - place comfort before value, aim for a goal and shorten the process towards it as much as possible.

instead of DOING something, "be" someone - place ego before harmony.

the possible permutations of these are essentially infinite, but strip away the layers of situation and personality in each case and those seem to be the cores with which you're left. and it's not hard to see how each one reinforces the next in a neverending, self-invigorating cycle

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Metal / Re: AMEBIX world tour
« on: November 02, 2008, 03:04:36 AM »
is anyone else here familiar with Sub Oslo? excellent dub music. one of the top five shows i've been to in my life

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Interzone / Re: Archaic video games
« on: October 31, 2008, 03:41:04 PM »
2 was the definite highlight. 3 was as good in quality, probably better really, but incredibly short and small-scaled. everything after 3 was bad, and the console adaptation is the worst one of all of them. i'd suggest finding a copy of Mechwarrior 2 and giving it another shot. even if for the music alone

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Interzone / Re: Ueber apt band names
« on: October 31, 2008, 02:04:13 AM »
i've always been partial to Bruxism... maybe more of a grind name, though. wakka wakka.

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Interzone / Re: quick question about Chuck Schuldiner
« on: October 30, 2008, 08:45:02 PM »
i know, and i wasn't intending to bicker - not just because of that, but rather because i never want to. although i do think it's useful to point out errors, as this can illustrate an avenue towards better information(even if they turn out to be errors in the perception of the one who sees them, enlightenment is achievable via either result), i don't engage in meaningless confrontation

my issue is in how often encounter:

A: Chuck had AIDS.
B: How do you know he had AIDS?
A: [valid argument, valid argument], and he hid it, and [valid argument].

that specific piece of pseudo-evidence holds no merit. it's a leap of faith to go from "medical records weren't made public"(fact) to "because he had AIDS"(conjecture). being unable to disprove something does not prove the opposite is true; i wasn't raping north Dallas women last night just because i live alone and therefore don't have an alibi

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Interzone / Re: quick question about Chuck Schuldiner
« on: October 30, 2008, 07:27:34 PM »
it seems you misunderstood - i wasn't negating all arguments, just the one to which i initially referred

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Interzone / Re: quick question about Chuck Schuldiner
« on: October 30, 2008, 04:58:19 PM »
the interchange i originally quoted did use the argument exactly in the way i described, and it's not the only instance in which i've seen it. and no, all the elements you referred to(and didn't refer to) do not collectively provide proof, because proof is irrefutable by definition. you have evidence. this may seem like semantic nit-picking, but the difference is huge.

as i suggested before, i'm not interested in convincing anyone he did or didn't have AIDS - and i'm familiar with the arguments for saying he did. they aren't absolute, and they rely almost fully on speculation and personal experiences, but it doesn't matter, because that isn't what i'm addressing. circular logic is employed in discussions of this issue, regularly - saying it is a logical fallacy to notice an inherent flaw in a statement doesn't make the flaw go away. which one makes more sense: defending an ineffective argument, or making an effective one?

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Interzone / Re: quick question about Chuck Schuldiner
« on: October 30, 2008, 04:19:29 PM »
that's understood. but the following is a logical fallacy:

"if he really had AIDS, why would he have hidden it?"
"because he was a spunk chugger and didn't want people to find out."
"and how do you know he was a spunk chugger?"
"because he hid the fact he had aids."

and it's one of the most common arguments i see here. it's not any different from someone claiming the Bible is the word of god because it says so, and that its so is believable since it's the word of god. the two claims are supported by nothing other than each other, in that kind of argument - it's a bit like trying to build a suspension bridge without any earth under the supports

to note, i don't care if he died of AIDS or not. all the evidence that i've come across through here is pretty inconclusive, but not so much so that it's dismissible outright. truth is, i'll probably never know for certain if he did contract AIDS, nor do i care if i ever do. it would change absolutely nothing in my existence, objective or subjective, to find out he did or didn't. it is fun to rile the fanboys, however

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Interzone / Re: quick question about Chuck Schuldiner
« on: October 30, 2008, 02:43:07 PM »
Why would he want to cover it up? You can get the HIV virus by a lot of ways, you know.

Why would he cover up the fact he had AIDS if he got it from a dirty needle or something similar?
Gee, I fucking wonder.

circular reasoning isn't very convincing

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Metal / Re: War metal
« on: October 30, 2008, 02:39:07 PM »
i don't think anyone's claiming that it is a genre. that doesn't invalidate it from being identifiable by its own merits, however, as there is a pretty large space between "genre" and "nonexistence." doom metal, similarly, could hardly be considered a genre - it's still immediately recognizable, and there are definite good and bad examples of it

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