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Interzone / Re: Inspiration
« on: April 07, 2011, 02:31:01 AM »
* "Taste is relative" is the excuse adopted by those eras that have bad taste.
This is kind of a chicken egg scenario.  Is this stance adopted to excuse their bad taste, or do they have such bad taste because they've adopted such a stupid framework?  Maybe they're both caused simultaneously by a more fundamental problem?

When someone wants to conceal bad taste, he has actually understood that it is bad taste. Of which I would not accuse the populace. Dávila is speaking here metaphorically of those who have understood this, but still want to remain in error.

The funny thing to me is that to a certain degree they are right. Taste is something relatively absolute. There is not only one way to have good taste, but thousands. BUT someone with the capacity to see through this relativity will see the absolute within. He would agree that a Mozart piano concerto and a traditional Indian Raga are both tasteful. Or a feathered crown and a turban. Etc.

Now of course, such distictions are lost on the masses. When they bellow "taste is relative" they mean that Lady Gaga's music is as tasteful as Mozart's and a see-through negligee as tasteful as a feathered crown.

I would, however, not say that people are directly responsible for their bad taste; this is partly inbred, partly acquired. Few are intelligent or lucky enough to see an alternative to the relativism which the masses espouse.

Metal / Re: Subjectivity vs Objectivity
« on: April 06, 2011, 12:07:18 PM »
"If A, then B.
Not A, therefore, not B."

Whenever I listen to music, I breathe
I am not listening to music, therefore, I am suffocating.
And no one called you out on this in a discussion on objectivity? Man.

He didn't say it explicitly, but...

(1) None but the scientific community could measure [and thereby "create"] the quality of music.
(2) It cannot.
(3) None can.

Metal / Re: Subjectivity vs Objectivity
« on: April 06, 2011, 12:03:49 PM »
I don't even understand why music should become beautiful or ugly (only) when we measure it...that is already a thorougly subjectivist position.

Actually, thoroughly stupid fits better.

« on: April 06, 2011, 11:49:36 AM »
"Fundamentally, there is no way in which we can objectively discover the 'truth' of reality. Apologies.

How can one discover that, then?

« on: April 04, 2011, 11:39:59 PM »
Try not to worry about it too much.

I have not seen one reply by you to a point another member brought up on these boards that was not negative. Well, maybe this could be your first, but it's useless too: while you excel at pointing out the errors of others, you fail at acknowledging your own and thus, only error and negativity remain.

I suggest you change your attitude, quickly.

Metal / Re: Let's play: Find the Piano
« on: March 26, 2011, 08:06:20 AM »
List as many good songs as you can think of that begin with a piano. The more intense the rest of the track, the better. Bonus points if few or none of the lyrics are easily discernible. Obscure is good, but not vital. To make this interesting, name only songs from 2007 and earlier. There will be delicious cake for everyone that plays.

"Jo" B., Variations on an Original Theme

This one is really intense and epic. And absolutely none of the lyrics are discernible. I say you found what you were looking for.

Metal / Re: Listening Guides
« on: March 22, 2011, 02:22:55 AM »
Nice. Very good work, sir.  Thank you.  I especially appreciate the Bach page... the anatomy of a fugue makes me laugh.  Music 'critics' often use the word 'fugue' to 'describe' music (they seem to think it means 'sad') and never realizing that it has a very precise musical meaning.  Any recommendations on Brahms?  I am completely unfamiliar with his works.

Brahms has so much to offer, and I have not even listened to everything...but still, the following should be a good introduction:
Chamber: Piano Trio No. 1 op. 8
Solo piano: Variations on an Original Theme op. 21, 1
Orchestral: Symphony No. 2 op. 73
Brahms light: Hungarian Dances WoO 1 (for piano)

On the topic of listening guides, would that others posted some too, if they know any.

Metal / Re: Listening Guides
« on: March 21, 2011, 04:00:02 PM »

Interzone / Re: Inspiration
« on: March 10, 2011, 12:30:04 PM »
  • Civilization seems to be the invention of a species now extinct.

  • Modern man destroys more when he builds than when he destroys.

  • An "ideal society" would be the graveyard of human greatness.

  • In an age in which the media broadcast countless pieces of foolishness, the educated man is defined not by what he knows, but by what he doesn't know.

  • I distrust every idea that doesn't seem obsolete and grotesque to my contemporaries.

  • Many love humanity only in order to forget God with a clear conscience.

  • Philosophy's aim is not to paint new objects but to give their true color to familiar objects.

  • For the myth of a past golden age, present day humanity substitutes the myth of a future plastic age.

  • Many things seem defensible, until we look at their defenders.

  • Total freedom of expression does not compensate for lack of talent.

  • "To be useful to society" is the ambition, or excuse, of a prostitute.

  • Hierarchies are celestial. In hell all are equal.

  • "Taste is relative" is the excuse adopted by those eras that have bad taste.

  • Humanity compensates for the solidity of the buildings it raises, with the fragility of the foundations upon which it builds them.

  • The most notorious aspect of all modern undertakings is the discrepancy between the immensity and complexity of the technical apparatus, and the insignificance of the final product.

  • etc. pp.

Nicolás Gómez Dávila (1913-1994)


Interzone / Re: Parasites
« on: March 04, 2011, 07:19:31 AM »
There's no such thing as a will of nature. That's either a piece of superstition or another term for your own moral preferences.

Maybe not a will, but an order ;-) Cf. St Thomas.

Interzone / Re: Parasites
« on: March 04, 2011, 07:16:42 AM »
Give them a finger and they chop off your hand...

Why donate sperm in the first place? That is a bad act in itself.
One cannot ignore parenthood. The father is still responsible for his son. Of course, that doesn't mean what the lesbians did was right.

Interzone / Re: The spam problem
« on: February 25, 2011, 01:39:22 PM »
The situation has improved a lot... for now.

I do not have a problem with my posts showing up a bit later as long as they do show up eventually.

NB everyone, excluding spammers: if your post does not show, either remove certain trigger keywords or wait until an admin consents.

Metal / Re: Schubert String Quartet #14 - let's compare two interpretations
« on: February 25, 2011, 01:20:28 PM »
I am listening to this for the first time and wondering why I have never heard of this great opus before; must be my Hinterwäldlertum. It might take a few days until I have any worthwhile thoughts to share, though.

Oh, what a lovely, delicate second movement...

Thank you for calling my attention to this!

Interzone / Re: Why all movies are shallow entertainment
« on: February 23, 2011, 09:44:26 AM »
Yes, we learned something (and hopefully not only that Umbrage would make a good propaganda minister).

Interzone / Re: Why all movies are shallow entertainment
« on: February 23, 2011, 09:26:10 AM »
Both of you are right, so whence the need to quarrel?

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