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Chasm / Circles versus Foundations
« on: June 17, 2013, 07:30:44 PM »
Traditional religious views often hold that mind and life are separate from matter. This creates a perceptual dichotomy of reality, and is used to the effect of psychologizing the universe.
As a result, further generations have found the concept of a personal universe not only disconcerting, but non-demonstrable. Reductionism became in vogue.
In as far as accepting an issue, then taking the opposing view, is an acceptable way to break free of mental barriers this has been profitable. But look at this:
-Biology states that minds are reducible to physical brains.
-Neurology frequently shows that mental processes are physical processes.
-Physical processes are governed by Physics.
-Fecund interpretations of supra-Newtonian physics takes the concept of mind as an integral part of the physical process.
Thus we are left with a circle, a system of dynamics where any center is a temporary frame defined only by the surrounding frames. The mind is simultaneously "nothing but" and a "core variable."
It is of high value to be able to follow a chain of reasoning, and to carry it further. But the first success isn't the only one possible, and will lead one in circles if taken to be the paragon of thought. Or to PhD research fellowships where you compete with the Chinese to see who can have the most monotonous life.
As a result, further generations have found the concept of a personal universe not only disconcerting, but non-demonstrable. Reductionism became in vogue.
In as far as accepting an issue, then taking the opposing view, is an acceptable way to break free of mental barriers this has been profitable. But look at this:
-Biology states that minds are reducible to physical brains.
-Neurology frequently shows that mental processes are physical processes.
-Physical processes are governed by Physics.
-Fecund interpretations of supra-Newtonian physics takes the concept of mind as an integral part of the physical process.
Thus we are left with a circle, a system of dynamics where any center is a temporary frame defined only by the surrounding frames. The mind is simultaneously "nothing but" and a "core variable."
It is of high value to be able to follow a chain of reasoning, and to carry it further. But the first success isn't the only one possible, and will lead one in circles if taken to be the paragon of thought. Or to PhD research fellowships where you compete with the Chinese to see who can have the most monotonous life.
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Chasm / Re: Drunk, Destructive, and Disturbed
« on: June 17, 2013, 07:17:18 PM »My question is, How are we supposed to legitimately show that we are feeling repressed, angry and tired of the bullshit we are bombarded with on a daily basis, when any action of rebellion is tied to fines or "public disturbance"? How do we cause/announce our problems and not be apart of the governments master plan?
Those who do not appear to be repressed, angry and tired, they often are.
If you think the government has a "master plan" then you could chalk them up as being complacent within it.
To take on the feelings of repression, anger and tiredness, one must become free, peaceful and vital.
To do so, it is important to first accept the repression, anger and tiredness.
In order to shed light on the feelings of repression, anger and tiredness so many mask behind a sterile gauze of happiness, never give any recognition to their charade, but remember that their charade is betrayed by their every word and action as their ruse is terrible and foolish and could only ever hope to fool a half-brained goldfish.
People swept up in the charade are terribly upset, but they know not at what. People who are free of the charade have no time for it. People who are beginning to wake up to the charade's nightmare are most disturbed by it.
HOOAH brother!
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Chasm / Re: Loneliness
« on: June 15, 2013, 01:22:36 AM »Today I am lonely. Not in the usual sense, for I have more than enough quality company.
But today I lost the most amazingly awesome cat I've ever known.
A large female Maine Coon, otherwise known as a Norwegian Forest Cat, who wandered in from the woods about five years ago.
I feel sick at heart; my heart is intolerably heavy. This is awful.
My wife, too, is in a real state.
It must have been poison, to go from a strapping specimen, overfilled with vigor, to dead, in under two days.
I assume she's dead: she was at death's door last night, and was gone in the morning, having chosen to find somewhere quiet, outdoors, to die. I searched all day, but nothing. No sign.
Well. We'll get over it, I'm sure, although it may take a while.
I don't feel much, really, when humans die. But somehow this is very different.
It's definitely empty, and lonely.
Goodbye Lily. Thank you for the love you gave us. You beautiful, rough, tough, monster.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26554770@N08/9037210939/
Losing an animal can hit you in a weird way, as there is no real accepted way to deal with that kind of grief. My condolences brother.
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Chasm / Re: A temporal theory of truth values, and practical ordinate system
« on: June 15, 2013, 01:20:31 AM »I believe an individual can be and often is wiser than a society or civilization. I mean this in the sense that the civilization is basically wrong where the individual is basically right. If you want to paint the picture that a civilization is actually right, is actually wise, and can be more-so than any individual, then I don't understand--either the lessons of that civilization are progressively lost (forcibly), or they are retained and individuals living in the end of the civilization's age retain the full breadth of that civilization's wisdom.
Also, I believe there is a limit to truth, or at least there are limits insofar as the human condition can realistically appreciate. Therefore I find it most plausible that numerous people while incarnated in human coils possess equally optimal levels of wisdom... but this day is not yet here, heh..
Ok, I see where you are going with this, and we will have to define a bit.
Is is more proper to say that truth is "top down" or "bottom up", with the Universal [we Anii] or Individual [liberalism], or is it more proper to say truth is context specific?
So if I were to rewrite my OP, perhaps define time as a defining characteristic of the capacity for truth, but not exclusively so. Each container having it's own "shape" of truth.
I was considering today what sort of statements could flip the values of the last value. This would be an interesting discussion.
For example, are mathematics valid on the Universal scale? Its easy to make an argument both ways.
If I get you: in this case, the "universal" would probably require continued metaphysical divisions / designations, i.e. complexity of number and concept reflecting a distance in principle from the "One" / the essential oneness of all things.
It would seem that T/F statements regarding the universal must be self-referential, and maybe blatantly obvious/contradictory. For instance: (T) the universe encompasses all of known and unknown existence. (F) the universe is spatially lesser than the Pacific Ocean.
An interesting game nonetheless. Maybe a fun game to try to match an instance to a code:
N-F-T-T-N
Yes, I think that is the problem of most metaphysics is that tautologies reign. I believe the point is to experience the tautologies, where the logical analysis would simple brush over as not interesting. This gives rise to all sort of situations, from the bliss-ninnies to the koan.
You have my thinking now about this ordinate system. I almost want to arrange a truth table, and consider circumstances to fit... It will be a personal book of changes for the uber-nerd.
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Chasm / Re: Childless relationships
« on: June 15, 2013, 01:10:22 AM »
Trystero:
F/N-F/N-F-F-?
I can posit that overall this does indeed work. If it didn't relationships and families would as a rule of thumb [permitting exceptions] deteriorate over time. This isn't something we see on a macro level, and I can bring either specific examples or archetypes/tropes to bear as witness, as could you.
Diesel:
F-?-?-T-?
At the species level, I'm certain love plays a role via identity in mortality. Perhaps love is a side-effect of this cause. At the individual level however I am certain knowing my wife and family will die doesn't make me appreciate them any more or less.
An interesting question for you, as you are Christian: In heaven, when all perfected souls are immortal, will there be love? This assumes souls will retain identity, which is safe if we take Jesus's resurrection as a prototype.
F/N-F/N-F-F-?
I can posit that overall this does indeed work. If it didn't relationships and families would as a rule of thumb [permitting exceptions] deteriorate over time. This isn't something we see on a macro level, and I can bring either specific examples or archetypes/tropes to bear as witness, as could you.
Diesel:
F-?-?-T-?
At the species level, I'm certain love plays a role via identity in mortality. Perhaps love is a side-effect of this cause. At the individual level however I am certain knowing my wife and family will die doesn't make me appreciate them any more or less.
An interesting question for you, as you are Christian: In heaven, when all perfected souls are immortal, will there be love? This assumes souls will retain identity, which is safe if we take Jesus's resurrection as a prototype.
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Chasm / Re: A temporal theory of truth values, and practical ordinate system
« on: June 13, 2013, 01:35:49 AM »
Aninihilation: I was considering today what sort of statements could flip the values of the last value. This would be an interesting discussion.
For example, are mathematics valid on the Universal scale? Its easy to make an argument both ways.
Trystero: I pulled the 5 categories out of my head. Please feel free to adjust the number up or down. Ideally one would not have to use any particular system, but use this concept loosely to designate their frames of reference.
Spoogemiester G: Will do, thanks for the pointer.
For example, are mathematics valid on the Universal scale? Its easy to make an argument both ways.
Trystero: I pulled the 5 categories out of my head. Please feel free to adjust the number up or down. Ideally one would not have to use any particular system, but use this concept loosely to designate their frames of reference.
Spoogemiester G: Will do, thanks for the pointer.
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Chasm / A temporal theory of truth values, and practical ordinate system
« on: June 12, 2013, 02:59:22 AM »
What if we assumed that truth can only be judged according to time spans?
For example, a particular man may gather less truth than a civilization. A civilization has less truth potential than a species. So on until we run out of categories, or reach tautology/vagueness.
This would explain the awe of one in the forest, the wisdom of the elders, why this site keeps returning to race > society.
Perhaps we could tongue-in-cheek create a truth ordinal system denoting in what frames of reference particular truths hold sway. This way we can acknowlege the perspective of others, but disagree not on facts, but in application. For example, we may argue that genetic selection of all breeding human pairs is ideal for humanity. We can agree or disagree if we designate our ordinal positions, whether in the individual/family/civilization/special/universal sphere.
Assign a truth value of True, False or Neutral. This can be assumed to be Desireable, Undesirable or Neutral for you Buddhist German Idealists out there.
For example:
Human genetic pairing should be done regard only to scientific principles, as currently best understood.
F-N-N-T-N
I love putting glass in my poo spigot.
T-F-N-N-N
We should treat people as individuals in this modern 2010+ era, ignoring genetic tendencies. Everybody should be equal in some way.
T?-T?-T-F-N
For example, a particular man may gather less truth than a civilization. A civilization has less truth potential than a species. So on until we run out of categories, or reach tautology/vagueness.
This would explain the awe of one in the forest, the wisdom of the elders, why this site keeps returning to race > society.
Perhaps we could tongue-in-cheek create a truth ordinal system denoting in what frames of reference particular truths hold sway. This way we can acknowlege the perspective of others, but disagree not on facts, but in application. For example, we may argue that genetic selection of all breeding human pairs is ideal for humanity. We can agree or disagree if we designate our ordinal positions, whether in the individual/family/civilization/special/universal sphere.
Assign a truth value of True, False or Neutral. This can be assumed to be Desireable, Undesirable or Neutral for you Buddhist German Idealists out there.
For example:
Human genetic pairing should be done regard only to scientific principles, as currently best understood.
F-N-N-T-N
I love putting glass in my poo spigot.
T-F-N-N-N
We should treat people as individuals in this modern 2010+ era, ignoring genetic tendencies. Everybody should be equal in some way.
T?-T?-T-F-N
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Chasm / Re: Childless relationships
« on: June 12, 2013, 12:42:21 AM »
I believe we both agree Trystero.
It is also feasible a glacial values change may occur as resources become more scarce, or perhaps having children will be the new "overweight" or "ripped abz": a highly situated value based on relative difficulty of obtaining such a state because of current environmental/cultural conditions.
Frankly we are considering having one genetic, adopting others, but in our mid-30s. Any later and my sperm or her ova will likely produce Corky St. Grishnack.
It is also feasible a glacial values change may occur as resources become more scarce, or perhaps having children will be the new "overweight" or "ripped abz": a highly situated value based on relative difficulty of obtaining such a state because of current environmental/cultural conditions.
Frankly we are considering having one genetic, adopting others, but in our mid-30s. Any later and my sperm or her ova will likely produce Corky St. Grishnack.
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Chasm / Re: The black flame of the metal heart... expressed in images
« on: June 10, 2013, 08:36:50 PM »
As a little project I'm expressing my paradigm in collage. Share in this thread images that are special to your black metal heart. (Maybe I'll steal one or two.)
I prefer my 6/1s as 7/1s, but they still die in the end. Meow.
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Chasm / Re: Childless relationships
« on: June 10, 2013, 08:32:26 PM »
Somebody open a window, we got some aspies burning their gears in here.
If you take Darwinism as telos, then of course childless relationships are FAIL.
Granted, instinct comes from a survival process, but that does not mean it necessarily serves it all the time. Thus the love instinct can be enjoyed without filling said need. Much like assholes and aubergine rubber mushroom tubes one could say.
Being really philosophical myself, I see my wife as a second brain running introspection on me, and I on her. There are also efficiencies to be gained in a marriage [I hate laundry, she is bad with money], but that comes with the possibility of inefficiencies based on taste.
Relationships can also add a depth to a personal life that is unavailable to a loner. Friendships fade with time, some grow stronger. Your mileage may vary.
Metaphysical love, Darwinian need? It is said the 5 flavors will deaden the palete, can't imagine having only two.
If you take Darwinism as telos, then of course childless relationships are FAIL.
Granted, instinct comes from a survival process, but that does not mean it necessarily serves it all the time. Thus the love instinct can be enjoyed without filling said need. Much like assholes and aubergine rubber mushroom tubes one could say.
Being really philosophical myself, I see my wife as a second brain running introspection on me, and I on her. There are also efficiencies to be gained in a marriage [I hate laundry, she is bad with money], but that comes with the possibility of inefficiencies based on taste.
Relationships can also add a depth to a personal life that is unavailable to a loner. Friendships fade with time, some grow stronger. Your mileage may vary.
Metaphysical love, Darwinian need? It is said the 5 flavors will deaden the palete, can't imagine having only two.
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Chasm / Re: The Treatment Room.
« on: April 16, 2013, 03:41:51 PM »Anyway: these are my findings.
I have never met anyone, including myself, who can maintain reliable balance in a city environment. All is pretence, and the face one manages to wear for others, is not the actual face one wears.
That is why I will never live in a city again, if I have any choice in the matter.
Hey brother, it really depends with whom one spends their time. You can see truth in an overflowing newspaper bin. The pidgeons have mastered wu-wei. One can see a thousand small Arjuna rise between the concrete and bricks, or a thousand more crammed onto commuter trains, or sweeping the sidewalks.
Plastic is natural, so is diet soda, so is everything else.
It is my opinion that emotions are related to necessary actions, so thus over time emotions related to the scent of earth, or fractal branches, etc. are emotionally linked with our survival. Therefore, those who have affinity for active meditation will gain superb benefits from connection with natural things. However, those who find cerebral activity more effective will see both sides of the coin, but lack the visceral experience of the former.
And let's not talk about those weird duty bound moral path folks, zomg.
I wonder if anybody here could provide insight into our two from theirs? In fact, I have a huge blind spot in regards to "spiritual perfection via moral duty", so if anyone has insight I would love to hear it.
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Chasm / Re: Ashkenazi and the male bag
« on: April 01, 2013, 02:49:01 PM »I think the European gene pool is big enough to allow for adaptations to any conceivable circumstance. Not to mention that single race children don't grow up with identity problems or discrimination from their peers.
But if you married the love of your life, I can't say I can blame you.
I'm guessing she's Asian. Nerds love Asians
Eh, this is Amerikuh, where you only need Facebook and Jesus to fit in. Additionally most, if not all, Americans I meet are also mutts. Is there a huge difference between:
A) choosing a spouse that complements and strengthens the aspects of yourself that you consider valuable
and
B) choosing a spouse that complement and strengthens the aspect of yourself that you consider valuable AND from a similar genetic stock.
One hopes to make better versions of themselves. I guess if I thought being ERYAN was of value I would see things differently.
It's important to both look through history to find important pieces of knowledge, as well as to realize if alive you are the leading edge on the wave of life and nothing matters unless you decide it matters.
I believe racial pride is a false flag, a time waster value. Better to value creativity, insight, diligence, compassion, wisdom, faithfulness, etc. I think if we are honest with ourselves those are the things we truly admire about the hero, whether we see him in ancient Scandinavia or in the Italian foothillls or the African scrubland or the Mexican flatlands.
If I am wrong about this I would like to know, truth is always worth the price, although that won't stop me from loving my wife.
Quote from: Crow
Shit happens, from time to time, in nature.
But nature doesn't go out of its way to make sure shit happens.
Ah my friend, shit is happening all the time, but rarely on our scale, although that is the scale which with we must deal. Goddamn prepositions.
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Chasm / Ashkenazi and the male bag
« on: March 17, 2013, 03:05:03 PM »
Happy Sun day to all, may we remember the true source of life while the idolators sing their grey songs to the desert carpenter.
In regards to the front page drivel: May my multicultural spawn drink wine upon the graves of your genetically bottle-necked spawn.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heterosis
May lulz be the lol, lulz under lail.
In regards to the front page drivel: May my multicultural spawn drink wine upon the graves of your genetically bottle-necked spawn.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heterosis
May lulz be the lol, lulz under lail.
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Chasm / Re: Thinking?
« on: March 17, 2013, 02:53:50 PM »
@ crow
If thinking was not part and parcel of desire it seems unlikely that it would exist in a being. Highjacking and rewiring it past it's original purpose is fabulous, but only obscurant, much like those sci-fi moviemakers trying to make a new beast by piecing together parts into a new whole.
With a little introspection the weird beasts can all be traced back to the component animals, just so can all objects in mindspace be tracked back to desire.
I once thought that the state of pure being was the "jewel of the lotus" in a gnostic sense, being the only true non-desire based mode of existence, but then it seems our whole beings are geared towards maintaining being, its just that other things get in the way much like paint on a canvas.
@ Transcix
Totally agree. What we normally describe as objects are in fact parts of a continuous whole, and all "things" in an environment are co-determined, as are all "events". I believe it is practicality that makes us delineate as such, being itself the servant of survival.
If thinking was not part and parcel of desire it seems unlikely that it would exist in a being. Highjacking and rewiring it past it's original purpose is fabulous, but only obscurant, much like those sci-fi moviemakers trying to make a new beast by piecing together parts into a new whole.
With a little introspection the weird beasts can all be traced back to the component animals, just so can all objects in mindspace be tracked back to desire.
I once thought that the state of pure being was the "jewel of the lotus" in a gnostic sense, being the only true non-desire based mode of existence, but then it seems our whole beings are geared towards maintaining being, its just that other things get in the way much like paint on a canvas.
@ Transcix
Totally agree. What we normally describe as objects are in fact parts of a continuous whole, and all "things" in an environment are co-determined, as are all "events". I believe it is practicality that makes us delineate as such, being itself the servant of survival.
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Chasm / Ralph Waldo Emerson
« on: February 23, 2013, 08:59:19 PM »
Good afternoon.
American Transcendentalism has many philosophical overlaps with the spirit of metal, if a bit on the dreamy side. IMO Emerson is the best of the bunch: practical, insightful, with a masterful use of English.
Following are his works:
http://www.emersoncentral.com/texts.htm
Public domain by now, so feel free to do as you please with them. I highly recommend starting with "Experience" from the second Essay collection. I recall "Self-Reliance" from high school and it stuck with me, hopefully some of the younger members here can enjoy it as well.
A few good quotations, not necessarily from the above essay:
"Every word was once a poem."
"We have learned that we do not see directly, but mediately, and that we have no means of correcting these colored and distorting lenses which we are, or of computing the amount of their errors."
American Transcendentalism has many philosophical overlaps with the spirit of metal, if a bit on the dreamy side. IMO Emerson is the best of the bunch: practical, insightful, with a masterful use of English.
Following are his works:
http://www.emersoncentral.com/texts.htm
Public domain by now, so feel free to do as you please with them. I highly recommend starting with "Experience" from the second Essay collection. I recall "Self-Reliance" from high school and it stuck with me, hopefully some of the younger members here can enjoy it as well.
A few good quotations, not necessarily from the above essay:
"Every word was once a poem."
"We have learned that we do not see directly, but mediately, and that we have no means of correcting these colored and distorting lenses which we are, or of computing the amount of their errors."