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Interzone / Re: Dreams & Goals
« on: April 08, 2009, 08:54:17 PM »
The shrewd, social panderer and the haughty, anti-social refuser, though appear to be opposites, are actually the same: dishonest. They actually work together: it is not uncommon for the latter to employ the former. Together, they manipulate the crowd for shallow gain. Though they may lead and inspire, their true aims are to please and control.

Who must return are the tactful, warrior heroes and the genuine, contemplative leaders, while resembling the above pair, are different in that they live for truth. They work together, and lead / reign in the crowd toward transcendental gain. Though they may lie and control, their true aims are to lead and inspire.

In your daily life, strive in every way to be honest. Dishonesty breeds solipsism, relativism, temporary alliances, many enemies, and in the end confusion. Honesty breeds holism, unity, lasting friendships, and no enemies -- just challenges on the pathways toward your goals.

(I apologize for the boring sermon-style of writing, though I do not know how else to share this.)

Cool, some ideas to play with!

Idealism vs. selfish intent.
The idealists live for truth. I've heard Christians say this many many times.
By what litmus test can we judge a correct idealist apart from an insane person or one with selfish intent? Perhaps we can use the laws of the universe and awareness of our place in that universe as a rough guide. So....what if these two principles come to conclusion in two conflicting ideals [conquering Superman vs. harmonious Brahman]?
Is this the factor behind the nationalist argument?

Interzone / Re: Structural realism
« on: April 08, 2009, 08:41:19 PM »
To say "science circa 2009 = the way things really are and can change" makes no sense unless you want to say that fundamental reality changes just as drastically as our thoughts.

Some would say you aren't far off, and some like me will take their wallets and sleep with their wives.

Interzone / Re: Structural realism
« on: April 08, 2009, 04:39:41 PM »
That sounds nice, but you admit yourself any artificial declaration is not the same as "the real thing", which you suppose cannot exist.

I guess all this comes down to:: is it better to be poetic or logical?
Perhaps the answer is wisdom, knowing time and place.

How does holistic logic [aka wisdom] differ from situational ethics?

Interzone / Re: Structural realism
« on: April 07, 2009, 11:55:35 PM »
In short, it works, but we may be able to find better without necessarily discarding the whole. Pragmatism bolstered by the coherence theory.
It's worked wonders for ages.

Viridovix, I would like to challenge your view. I believe that you have accurately described human history up to this point, but by what reasoning do you posit "the search" as eudaimonia? We are supposed to be living for the hunt, yes, and I agree the lack of this desire dulls the spirit, but are we always to be chasing like the character in Shel Silverstein’s The Missing Piece?

Interzone / Re: ANUS Book List
« on: April 07, 2009, 11:31:23 PM »
I would recommend True Believer by Eric Hoffer as a primer for intuiting motivations of individuals willingly persisting in unreason. I may have an electronic copy laying about, pm me if interested.

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