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Interzone / Re: [META] Activities of our users
« on: May 13, 2010, 04:29:55 AM »
Cargest:  I've listened to it twice now, and I like it a lot!  I AM a fan of "folkish" metal (although the genre, itself, does not have many instances of high quality successes).  Besides Graveland, Bathory, Enslaved, Isengard, and Veles, folk/pagan/viking metal is pretty sad.  So I actually think it's a good idea to try to operate within that "genre," for that very reason.

Let me preface by saying I have no academic background in music whatsoever.  Quite honestly, I can only talk about music in vague terms and more or less explain my "feelings."  Also, I am a "sympathetic" audience in that, initially, I usually have positive feelings, no matter what, regarding the book I'm reading or CD I'm listening to.  I find this is the best way to BEGIN your experience when acquainting yourself w/ a new piece of art.  I just get excited for something new!  I'm simple and naive that way.  But here we go:

1.  It's unpretentious and straightforward.  No goofing around - you get right into the metal.
2.  I would describe the sound as "noble" and "proud" (I can, indeed, here the Graveland influence).  I definitely like that it's not "Norsecore."
3.  As far as I can tell, the general idea being expressed in the music is: The glorious past is still alive! (I'm being as broad as possible).
4.  Too vocal-centric.  I like the SOUND of the vocals (reminds me of Isengard), but there are just too many lyrics for my taste.  I love it when black metal is sparse on the lyrics.  Let the music do the work.
5.  "Boring" riffs are not the problem, but perhaps you need some more "solemn" moments.  As it is, the first 2 tracks are pretty damn rollicking.  Listen to "Hostmorke" by Isengard to maybe get an idea of what I'm talking about.

OK, let's look at the big picture.  Folk metal seems like a good place to do some exploration, but here's the potential pitfall that perhaps you're already beginning to fall into:  amidst all the boisterous pride (which is not necessarily a bad thing) that your music offers, sentimentality and human emotion can begin to creep in.  I view this as a bad thing.  Metal wants to eschew the human drama.  It regularly gets talked about on this forum.  Most recently in this thread .  It's basically the #1 reason for why I like metal:  Metal transcends the human perspective and laughs at how puny we are!  Take Sort Vokter, for example, there is nothing "human" about Folkloric Necro Metal at all!  And yet there is still an "earthiness" about it.  And that is a landmark album, would you not agree?  Your goal should be to show us a perspective as far away from human as possible.  I think cutting down on the lyrics (and, therefore, the human voice) would be a practical and literal way to get the ball rolling.  

The worst thing somebody can say about your music is: "I can relate to that."  You need to give us something NEW, something INHUMAN, something we CANNOT relate to - the Sublime, the voice of God, mystery, terror, the imperceivable.  You need to be ABOVE the fray.  You need to express something by sound that cannot be expressed by language.

One of my favorite albums ever is Thousand Swords and you cited Graveland, so I'm going to muse: TS expresses an enthusiasm and pride, but also a solemnity and stoicism.  This results in a truly majestic sound.  Even though it's the soundtrack of war, there is so much DIGNITY.  The amount of lyrics is perfect.  The riffs are sometimes boring on a micro level, but it's irrelevant.  Above all, it manages to sound "solar" in a "lunar" genre.  The solar aspect of metal has still not sufficiently been explored.  This isn't just folk metal, it sounds like the beginning of something that metal has still not managed to build.

EDIT:  I listened to it a 3rd time last night and I still like it.  In fact it was better than the first 2 times.  I'm not sure it will stand the real long test of time, but there's enough potential here to get me fairly excited.  Plus I respect that you're a fellow forum member essentially creating a metal act right in front of us (so it would seem).  I would even say that perhaps there IS a sense of solemnity that I didn't pick up on before and that the lyrics aren't all that superfluous after all.  I guess sparse lyrics and solemn moments are just aesthetic choices I GENERALLY prefer - nevertheless, it's still something to think about I would say.

Metal / Re: What Metal is not
« on: May 13, 2010, 03:09:06 AM »
What Metal is
- In some cases, a form of ativism, in that it originates from reactivated ideas and genes

are you speaking specifically of Romanticism?  or something even more ancient?

Metal / Re: SINISTER and Percussive Death Metal
« on: May 13, 2010, 03:01:37 AM »
where the hell have you been?!!??  but seriously, it's great that you're discovering them - never doubt ANUS, my friend.  I prefer black metal to death metal, and on top of that I prefer other styles of death metal to the "percussive" style, but Sinister are definitely Kshatriya in my metal caste system.  Suffocation and Deeds of Flesh are admirable too, but I'll take Sinister.  Never cared for Cryptopsy.  I agree that Cross the Styx and Hate are their high points, but Bastard Saints is good, too.  To me, what separates the Kshatriya from the Vaishya is atmosphere, and Sinister pulls it off!

Metal / Haydn
« on: May 13, 2010, 02:34:19 AM »
I've heard some bits and pieces of Haydn on public radio, recently, and gosh do I really like him!  Not much talk about him, here, however.  What are other opinions of his body of work?  Any favorite pieces in particular?

Interzone / Re: Qabalah
« on: May 13, 2010, 01:03:31 AM »
Sometimes rationalists' skepticism just goes too far; as if they wanted to spoil the fun of everyone in the world.
So you admit this is about fun and not truth.

now you're the one being dishonest, Bob.

Bob and several others:  we understand your angle by now.  This kind of thing doesn't resonate w/ you.  fine.  I say either move on or earnestly try to learn about it.  You were good in that other thread, Bob, but coming in guns a'blazing w/ words like "bullshit" is...frankly, bullshit.  Octuple's response was appropriate as far as I'm concerned.  

Religion, mystic traditions, understanding God, etc. requires DEVOTION, you can't just read books - you have to LIVE it.  LIFE is so much more than "truth," in my book.

That's because the logical onus of proof isn't on non-existence.

What exactly would you say would be conclusive evidence of the existence of God?

perhaps only being astrally sodomized by The Almighty, himself, will compel these unbelievers to take to their knees and bow before that which man cannot perceive!

I am a complete layman when it comes to this topic specifically, and Hinduism, in general.  Can someone just point me in the direction of a book or give me a really broad "blow by blow" of what the connection is?  I read this on deathmetal.org:  "hidden within the depths of the most primordial of the Indo-European traditions Hinduism" and I know I've read this other places.  Was Hinduism actually brought to Europe at one point? 

Metal / Re: Shredders versus technicians
« on: May 02, 2010, 03:56:04 PM »
It might be because I am too young (20), but I can't really get into classic quite yet. Most of the stuff aside from some Wagner, lacks the...epicness, or shocking power that I like.

Difference between young and old is time, so give it some time. Even more, don't listen with a broken attention span. Listen while you do nothing else, or at least nothing else engrossing. Oddly the best time to listen to classical music is often when a repetitive, physical task presents itself.
Would lifting weights work?

Where do you recommend I start?

I don't suppose you do yardwork or mow the lawn at your house?  I have a big yard and lots to do, so in addition to listening to classical when doing nothing, I listen when I'm outside working.  It's uncanny on how right on the money Conservationist and Cargest are about this - Classical really does seem to seep into your mind and your body as you do repetitive physical tasks - it helps the work go along, but it also can make you understand the music in a different light.

Interzone / Re: Genres outside of metal
« on: April 23, 2010, 04:25:25 PM »
I quite enjoy bluegrass for a change of pace now and again.

at Metal speed even...?


I actually like some bluegrass, too.  The Dillards are good.  Also some old country like Waylon Jennings.

and of course Classical goes w/out saying.

Baron:  listen to Classical, if you don't already.  You can't go wrong w/ Beethoven.

Interzone / Re: Book Recomendations
« on: April 22, 2010, 12:40:27 AM »
Definitely a brilliant book, but I don't think it's the best place to start reading Nietzsche. I think the more systematic works -- The Gay Science, Beyond Good & Evil, and the Genealogy of Morals -- are more encompassing and a better introduction to his  thought.

I completely agree.  I would cite the exact same 3 books as his best, especially if you are new to N.  I cut my teeth on Beyond Good & Evil.  The Antichrist is somewhat beligerent in my opinion.  N's "middle period" is his best, if you ask me, although I really like Ecce Homo.

Interzone / Re: tldr.anus.com
« on: April 15, 2010, 01:07:28 AM »
you know, this actually highlights two seemingly paradoxical elements within metal itself.  on the one hand:  the desire to conquer the world.  on the other hand:  the desire to form some elite or secret "cabal."  the cabal aspect could also be seen as nationalism in a sense - let's do what's best for US and not worry about THEM.

Interzone / Re: tldr.anus.com
« on: April 13, 2010, 03:38:10 PM »
OK.  Well just name it something else.  In fact don't have ANUS in its title anywhere.  make it a completely separate entity with a sort of nondescript name.  ANUS can still be ANUS that way

Interzone / Re: tldr.anus.com
« on: April 12, 2010, 08:15:55 PM »
What do you (Samael) and you (assembled others) think of this?

I think you're right on the money.  There is place and role for both Arkists and Evangelicals here (and affiliated sites).  I think as long as there is strong leadership, we don't have to worry about getting a "Pantera version of the French Revolution." (but I don't blame you for your concern Sammaellofi)  The vetting process seem to be pretty good - unintelligent people and flakes don't seem to last long around here and I don't think that will change by being more evangelical.  I think the reason you need to be evangelical is you just never know who will turn out to be a real asset or where they will come from.  Like it or not there are a lot of really intelligent teenagers and 20 somethings that just need there hand to be held for a little while, they need to be weaned slowly, they are BEGGING to be led.  If a liberal humanist is intelligent enough they can absolutely come around to nihilism, conservatism, or "anit-humanism" BUT NOT OVERNIGHT!  The goal should be to attract people of "raw intelligence" not people that already agree w/ you.....  I just realized you guys are mostly talking strictly about the METAL "branch" and I am talking more about ANUS in general, but I think the point still stands.  You CAN convert people.  And if you ask me 1 convert who is an asset to the metal community is worth 20 failed converts, because the 20 failures won't do anything anyway, and they won't bring ANUS down as long as leadership at the top is strong and intolerant.  Bottom line:  we need leaders to shape reality through INFILTRATION and "disguises."  The Unabomber may have been right, but he went about shaping reality in a less than optimum way.  Infiltrate! Infiltrate! Infiltrate!  that's my motto.  But then you aren't being "authentic," you say?  Get over yourself and start working for the cause.

Interzone / Re: Being more WARLIKE
« on: April 12, 2010, 07:37:27 PM »
Thread Summary:  Listen to Thousand Swords!!!

Metal / Re: Album Devaluation
« on: March 27, 2010, 12:25:22 AM »
So for now on, when someone asks you what good metal is, don't say Slayer, Darkthrone, Morbid Angel, but insteaed say Hell Awaits, Transylvanian Hungar and Blessed are the Sick.


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