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Thanks gentlemen!

The Perennial Philosophy looks aces!

so how does that DLARC work?  can any of us enter in the code?  I often buy books from Amazon and I would love to send 6% ANUS's way every time (especially if it's going to drugs and porn!).  Can we set up a linked book list thread or something?

Interzone / Re: Qabalah
« on: May 13, 2010, 10:27:31 AM »
You were good in that other thread, Bob, but coming in guns a'blazing w/ words like "bullshit" is...frankly, bullshit.
Not sure which thread you're referring to, but I can't be held responsible for people's emotional reactions to my vocabulary.

I was talking about the "split between religion and science" thread.  I think you had better tact in that thread.  I like what you can bring to the table most of the time.  Maybe you've found some common ground with the discussion of whether or not Truth is a valid concept.  Or at least a beginning point.

Interzone / Re: Qabalah
« on: May 12, 2010, 10:11:43 PM »
Sometimes rationalists' skepticism just goes too far; as if they wanted to spoil the fun of everyone in the world.

I call this "hyper-skepticism" and have often had the same thought.  I have a theory that our over-valuing of rationality is less the result of "discovering" truth and more the result of an overcompensation and resentment towards religion once we realized they lied to us.  It's human nature:  whenever something is really powerful and successful there is a backlash.  There always is.  What has been more successful and powerful than religion? Nothing.  Not even close.  From the individual, to the community, to artistic movements, to political movements, to entire nations, to mankind as a whole - OVERCOMPENSATION is the key to understanding everything human.   I am a Nietzschean in that, at the end of the day, I realize that truth doesn't shape the human world, power does.  It all boils down to power.  For thousands of years, in every corner of the planet, God ruled w/ an iron fist.  I revere anything or anybody that powerful.  However, most people do not.

Interzone / Re: Definition of DECADENCE
« on: May 12, 2010, 09:36:56 PM »
Belief that positive stimuli (happiness is the most popular one right now) is the purpose of living.

good thinking.  Pleasure, comfort, and safety are the values of the Englishman!  ;)

Interzone / Re: Twilight of the Gods and Ragnarok
« on: May 12, 2010, 09:34:23 PM »
This just reminded me to read the Edda this summer.

I just finished The Prose Edda a few weeks ago.  For some reason it just wasn't what I expected, which is fine, and it I didn't dislike it, but it was quite bizarre.  Do read it, though!

Interzone / Re: [META] Activities of our users
« on: May 12, 2010, 09:29:55 PM »
Cargest:  I've listened to it twice now, and I like it a lot!  I AM a fan of "folkish" metal (although the genre, itself, does not have many instances of high quality successes).  Besides Graveland, Bathory, Enslaved, Isengard, and Veles, folk/pagan/viking metal is pretty sad.  So I actually think it's a good idea to try to operate within that "genre," for that very reason.

Let me preface by saying I have no academic background in music whatsoever.  Quite honestly, I can only talk about music in vague terms and more or less explain my "feelings."  Also, I am a "sympathetic" audience in that, initially, I usually have positive feelings, no matter what, regarding the book I'm reading or CD I'm listening to.  I find this is the best way to BEGIN your experience when acquainting yourself w/ a new piece of art.  I just get excited for something new!  I'm simple and naive that way.  But here we go:

1.  It's unpretentious and straightforward.  No goofing around - you get right into the metal.
2.  I would describe the sound as "noble" and "proud" (I can, indeed, here the Graveland influence).  I definitely like that it's not "Norsecore."
3.  As far as I can tell, the general idea being expressed in the music is: The glorious past is still alive! (I'm being as broad as possible).
4.  Too vocal-centric.  I like the SOUND of the vocals (reminds me of Isengard), but there are just too many lyrics for my taste.  I love it when black metal is sparse on the lyrics.  Let the music do the work.
5.  "Boring" riffs are not the problem, but perhaps you need some more "solemn" moments.  As it is, the first 2 tracks are pretty damn rollicking.  Listen to "Hostmorke" by Isengard to maybe get an idea of what I'm talking about.

OK, let's look at the big picture.  Folk metal seems like a good place to do some exploration, but here's the potential pitfall that perhaps you're already beginning to fall into:  amidst all the boisterous pride (which is not necessarily a bad thing) that your music offers, sentimentality and human emotion can begin to creep in.  I view this as a bad thing.  Metal wants to eschew the human drama.  It regularly gets talked about on this forum.  Most recently in this thread .  It's basically the #1 reason for why I like metal:  Metal transcends the human perspective and laughs at how puny we are!  Take Sort Vokter, for example, there is nothing "human" about Folkloric Necro Metal at all!  And yet there is still an "earthiness" about it.  And that is a landmark album, would you not agree?  Your goal should be to show us a perspective as far away from human as possible.  I think cutting down on the lyrics (and, therefore, the human voice) would be a practical and literal way to get the ball rolling.  

The worst thing somebody can say about your music is: "I can relate to that."  You need to give us something NEW, something INHUMAN, something we CANNOT relate to - the Sublime, the voice of God, mystery, terror, the imperceivable.  You need to be ABOVE the fray.  You need to express something by sound that cannot be expressed by language.

One of my favorite albums ever is Thousand Swords and you cited Graveland, so I'm going to muse: TS expresses an enthusiasm and pride, but also a solemnity and stoicism.  This results in a truly majestic sound.  Even though it's the soundtrack of war, there is so much DIGNITY.  The amount of lyrics is perfect.  The riffs are sometimes boring on a micro level, but it's irrelevant.  Above all, it manages to sound "solar" in a "lunar" genre.  The solar aspect of metal has still not sufficiently been explored.  This isn't just folk metal, it sounds like the beginning of something that metal has still not managed to build.

EDIT:  I listened to it a 3rd time last night and I still like it.  In fact it was better than the first 2 times.  I'm not sure it will stand the real long test of time, but there's enough potential here to get me fairly excited.  Plus I respect that you're a fellow forum member essentially creating a metal act right in front of us (so it would seem).  I would even say that perhaps there IS a sense of solemnity that I didn't pick up on before and that the lyrics aren't all that superfluous after all.  I guess sparse lyrics and solemn moments are just aesthetic choices I GENERALLY prefer - nevertheless, it's still something to think about I would say.

Metal / Re: What Metal is not
« on: May 12, 2010, 08:09:06 PM »
What Metal is
- In some cases, a form of ativism, in that it originates from reactivated ideas and genes

are you speaking specifically of Romanticism?  or something even more ancient?

Metal / Re: SINISTER and Percussive Death Metal
« on: May 12, 2010, 08:01:37 PM »
where the hell have you been?!!??  but seriously, it's great that you're discovering them - never doubt ANUS, my friend.  I prefer black metal to death metal, and on top of that I prefer other styles of death metal to the "percussive" style, but Sinister are definitely Kshatriya in my metal caste system.  Suffocation and Deeds of Flesh are admirable too, but I'll take Sinister.  Never cared for Cryptopsy.  I agree that Cross the Styx and Hate are their high points, but Bastard Saints is good, too.  To me, what separates the Kshatriya from the Vaishya is atmosphere, and Sinister pulls it off!

Metal / Haydn
« on: May 12, 2010, 07:34:19 PM »
I've heard some bits and pieces of Haydn on public radio, recently, and gosh do I really like him!  Not much talk about him, here, however.  What are other opinions of his body of work?  Any favorite pieces in particular?

Interzone / Re: Qabalah
« on: May 12, 2010, 06:03:31 PM »
Sometimes rationalists' skepticism just goes too far; as if they wanted to spoil the fun of everyone in the world.
So you admit this is about fun and not truth.

now you're the one being dishonest, Bob.

Bob and several others:  we understand your angle by now.  This kind of thing doesn't resonate w/ you.  fine.  I say either move on or earnestly try to learn about it.  You were good in that other thread, Bob, but coming in guns a'blazing w/ words like "bullshit" is...frankly, bullshit.  Octuple's response was appropriate as far as I'm concerned.  

Religion, mystic traditions, understanding God, etc. requires DEVOTION, you can't just read books - you have to LIVE it.  LIFE is so much more than "truth," in my book.

That's because the logical onus of proof isn't on non-existence.

What exactly would you say would be conclusive evidence of the existence of God?

perhaps only being astrally sodomized by The Almighty, himself, will compel these unbelievers to take to their knees and bow before that which man cannot perceive!

I am a complete layman when it comes to this topic specifically, and Hinduism, in general.  Can someone just point me in the direction of a book or give me a really broad "blow by blow" of what the connection is?  I read this on deathmetal.org:  "hidden within the depths of the most primordial of the Indo-European traditions Hinduism" and I know I've read this other places.  Was Hinduism actually brought to Europe at one point? 

Metal / Re: Shredders versus technicians
« on: May 02, 2010, 08:56:04 AM »
It might be because I am too young (20), but I can't really get into classic quite yet. Most of the stuff aside from some Wagner, lacks the...epicness, or shocking power that I like.

Difference between young and old is time, so give it some time. Even more, don't listen with a broken attention span. Listen while you do nothing else, or at least nothing else engrossing. Oddly the best time to listen to classical music is often when a repetitive, physical task presents itself.
Would lifting weights work?

Where do you recommend I start?

I don't suppose you do yardwork or mow the lawn at your house?  I have a big yard and lots to do, so in addition to listening to classical when doing nothing, I listen when I'm outside working.  It's uncanny on how right on the money Conservationist and Cargest are about this - Classical really does seem to seep into your mind and your body as you do repetitive physical tasks - it helps the work go along, but it also can make you understand the music in a different light.

Interzone / Re: Genres outside of metal
« on: April 23, 2010, 09:25:25 AM »
I quite enjoy bluegrass for a change of pace now and again.

at Metal speed even...?


I actually like some bluegrass, too.  The Dillards are good.  Also some old country like Waylon Jennings.

and of course Classical goes w/out saying.

Baron:  listen to Classical, if you don't already.  You can't go wrong w/ Beethoven.

Interzone / Re: Book Recomendations
« on: April 21, 2010, 05:40:27 PM »
Definitely a brilliant book, but I don't think it's the best place to start reading Nietzsche. I think the more systematic works -- The Gay Science, Beyond Good & Evil, and the Genealogy of Morals -- are more encompassing and a better introduction to his  thought.

I completely agree.  I would cite the exact same 3 books as his best, especially if you are new to N.  I cut my teeth on Beyond Good & Evil.  The Antichrist is somewhat beligerent in my opinion.  N's "middle period" is his best, if you ask me, although I really like Ecce Homo.

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