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Messages - Jim Necroslaughter
« on: July 29, 2009, 12:55:39 AM »
It seems to me that "freedom" is a one-way street for the individual to demand the ability to be deconstructive, or do whatever they want regardless of the cost to others, but it does not allow groups to make standards, set up culture, etc.
"Freedom" is inherently against culture and shared values.
Then again, culture and shared values are the only forces that can compete with authoritarian governments or large companies and keep them away.
Could it be "freedom" itself IS our slavery? Or rather, that it creates the disorder that enslaves us? It seems the freest societies leave behind large herds of obese brat-sheep.
I'm with you 100%.
I wish I had more time, lately, to keep up with all the threads on the board and offer more thoughts, but I just wanted to check in and say: thought-provoking and inspiring post.
DON QUIXOTE is an absolute MUST, if you ask me. Utterly charming and inspiring; totally "aristocratic." No novel is more essential if you plan to read fiction throughout your life. King Lear and DQ are my favorite pieces of fiction EVER.
And if you decide to read it, don't flake out and only read book 1!
And if you decide to read it, don't flake out and only read book 1!
Look, the fact is, if you are going to include lyrics, they need to be good. A lot of people here are using that argument that rock bands make that "it's just how it sounds" or "it's just the way the lyrics make you feel, rather than what they mean". This is just a justification for albums that have bad lyrics.
you're right. I plead guilty. don't get me wrong - I would love to see higher standards for lyrics in metal.
Hell yeah! I mean, why not? Will improved/better lyrics "save" metal? No. But why not work on improving all aspects? As an artist, it can be beneficial to take a break from the "meat" of your work and go off on a tangent, even as an "exercise." The tangent may open up new potentials and inspire you. A good idea, is a good idea, explore it to the end, even if it takes you away from the heart of the matter for a brief time, if it comes up fruitless, so be it. Everyone works differently, but I think what Conservationist proposes is a good ideaAre they important and if so, why?
Increasingly, I like the Greek idea of entwining music, lyrics and theatre.
There should be a story to every song.
The mode should sound like the emotions and find a way to mix those emotions in the right percentages at the right time; the rhythms should feel like the gut reaction at each stage.
The lyrics should tell the story from the point of view of a character, or an anonymous observer, but never cross over the two.
The stage should be set, and the creatures should act out any drama but that of being musicians playing the song.
I don't know that it would be the same for anyone else, but I've found that depressive tendencies dissipate once one stops focusing one's thoughts on oneself.
I absolutely agree. Although I've never really gone through a long-term "bout" of depression, I have always, since a young age, found great strength and comfort in acknowledging that I, and humans in general, are, in a broad sense, insignificant. It's funny, because a more literal-minded person would say, "oh, you think you're insignificant? you must have low self-esteem." But I've always found the opposite to be true.
"Devestation, blasphemy, desecration, unholy he
who burned the face of god with the eye of our master"?
No offense but I don't see any bad English in that line. In fact the English is very good in that song, the lyrics are just difficult to understand.
no, no bad English there. Immortal is the band that comes to mind for some, let's say, "unique" English. And you're right, I forgot Varg wrote 'As Flittermice.' He, Tom Warrior, and Fenriz are all lyricists that metal should be proud of.
I would say that at the end of the day alcohol is a waste of time and pretty crippling. I will have a few beers on an "important" day or to celebrate a victory, but I have seen many friends who drink every weekend and have turned into dullards. I have drunk to excess several times in the past, and a sober life is the life for me. The "drinking/party culture" where I live is out of control and it upsets me to see so many young people essentially "peak out" at age 20. Maybe they would have peaked out anyway, but without alcohol I figure they have a fighting chance. Alcohol can definitely become a substitute for achievement. And it doesn't bother me so much that alcohol or drugs can result in deaths, but that it turns the living alcoholics or drug addicts into dullards or reckless hedonists, in which case they consume consume consume, but give nothing back.
No one could make Moat lyrics sound good though.
yes. The Moat lyrics you cited above are pretty cheesy and un-subtle.
on a side note, I prefer it when artists keep the curse words to a minimum. leave that to rappers.
On paper the lyrics for many great albums don't look that good, especially some black metal bands for whom English is a second language. (having said that some Norwegian bands speak excellent English). However, when you hear them in their context the devilerence of lyrics can send a shiver down my spine.
agreed. it's almost more about how the lyrics sound and where they are "placed," than what they "mean." the perfectly placed word or phrase, within the context of the song, can send a shiver down my spine, too. the final line to "As Flittermice As Satans Spys," when he says "with the eye of our master," gets me every time.
however, I actually think the fact that English is the second language for some bands might be an asset. when you're writing in a language you're not as familiar with, you have to be a little more judicious about the words chosen. and although it can result in some clumsy phrases or word choice (see Immortal (whose lyrics I actually quite like, btw)) it can ALSO result in some turns of phrase that are more poetic or original than what a native speaker could EVER come up with. at the end of the day, metal lyrics need to be EVOCATIVE above all else.
Ofcourse all i have is myself, but i cant have my body, my mind, my will if i m obliged not to act accordingly to what i think. If somebody forces you to act or not to act he or she is hostile, if he or she succedes in this you're not free anymore.
you're only as free as your abilities "allow" you to be. if someone has obliged you, blame your lack of ability or your lack of bravery. you are still "free" to think of a way around your obligation. if that means coming up with a plan that might risk your life, and you still aren't willing to do it, then blame your cowardice, not your lack of freedom. "Freedom," in the sense that I think of it, can't be granted, nor can it be taken away. It DOES exist "in" one's mind.