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Metal / Re: Cybermetal
« on: October 28, 2009, 11:32:19 PM »
What about Aborym?  "With No Human Intervention" would be a good album if its playing time were cut by about a 1/3rd.  The tittle song of that album has a pretty cool video... I like their black-light corpsepaint look quite a bit.  "Fire Walk With Us" and "Kali Yagaa Bizarre" both had some good points.  However, after listening to them I tend to have an uneasy feeling that I've just consumed a product and not listened to music...

Metal / Re: Looking like a metalhead
« on: October 28, 2009, 02:43:50 PM »
"Most people just wear what they want with no regard to common sense. Make yourself comfortable, sure, but don't make yourself look like an idiot in public. You won't get very far if you do that."

It seems to me that comfort is increasingly irrelevant to the herd and its the appearance of comfort that is triumphant.  Notice all the fuckers wearing sandals and jap-flaps when its 38 degrees out... with shorts on to boot.  These same people often question me for wearing boots and wool socks... "why don't you wear NORMAL shoes, man?"  "Well, jap-flaps aren't really shoes to begin with...."  Which leads me to another point reinforcing my main idea.  Flaps are not comfortable at all.  At one point in suffered rather extensive lacerations on one foot which oozed blood continuously and prevented me from wearing socks or shoes over the course to several weeks (you see, the blood would clot in the sock, welding it to my slowly forming scar tissue, and the shoe would cause constant friction on said scar tissue and prohibit its growth) so I had to wear flaps.  I don't know how many times I turned my ankles, smashed my toes, became angry that the strap of the flap kept digging in between my toes.  The same goes for the 'pyjama' fascion that has recently become popular again (at least round my part of the world).  I find elastic waists (and indeed, elastic anything... especially sleeve cuffs) to be unconcionably uncomfortable.  The material of the pyjama bottoms is also rather irritating as is their lack of effective pockets.  So, while all the 'comfortable' fascions seem to me to be rather uncomfortable, they do at very least give off a most comfortable appearance (and when taken with the usual expression on the wearers' faces) a most obvious aura of complete selfishness.

Interzone / Top-down versus bottom-up governance
« on: June 11, 2009, 12:09:17 PM »
Admin & Mandrake:  I don't want to pull this thread any more off topic.  Maybe a new topic in the chasm could be created for discussion of governance and strategy, while leaving this thread for the discussion of open source music?...  Thanks.

Metal / Re: What makes music stupid?
« on: June 10, 2009, 08:31:32 PM »
Dedrater - I like your point.  Its like the difference between a symbol and a sign. 
You did make me think of something from my experience.  Have you ever noticed that a lot of pop music fans claim not to listen to the lyrics when you point out the obvious flaws and filth that they contain?  Ask them about the overall lewd and indecent subject matter of lots of 'teenybop pop' or hip-hop and they all claim not to care about or listen to the lyrics.  They are liars, though, because most of them will know the big chorus or vocal hook of the song.  I myself know lots of lyrics off of Green Day's "Dookie" album despite never having sought out their music... they vocal hooks were just disgustingly catchy.  I haven't heard these songs for over a decade as far as I can tell... and I can't recall any of the actual riffs or music.  Very strange...

Metal / Re: What makes music stupid?
« on: June 10, 2009, 04:35:16 PM »
Does anyone listen to opera?  Ever read the libretto of a major opera?  Most of them are pretty stupid as "lyrics".  But they are sung as part of the music, and are mostly written in languages I can't understand, so I hear it as just part of the music.  It is why pop music fails as music.  The music for a pop song is 'program music' in the worst possible way;  it is there to favourably display the singer's ego in lyric form. 
I find myself listening mostly to black metal because I can't really understand what the vocalist is saying... and the lyrics aren't ever about the singers ego infatuation (well, maybe Varg Vikkernes' lyrics for Darkthrone's "Quintessence" are) and are often in a language I don't understand.  Its just another instrument and is used as such.  Thus black metal occasionally succeeds at being good music.  Mayhem's rehersals of "DMDS" without Dead stand on their own.  Not that Attila is a bad singer, he just didn't have enough time to properly prepare his delivery;  prior planning prevents piss poor performance. 

Metal / Re: Looking like a metalhead
« on: June 10, 2009, 04:23:12 PM »
Isn't the bigass beard a stoner/groove metal trend? At least in Finland I developed this description "beard metal" which applies to the semi-groove that is all over the radio. Later I found out that synchronically other people had come up with the same title!

haha, I like the idea of a sub-sub-genre of BNSBM.  Stoner/Groove metal isn't really my cup of tea, so I was hoping you wouldn't mention it, hehe.  I figure one would need a beard to survive the harsh cold of Finland.  I defenately appreciated my beard when it was -20.

Interzone / Top-down versus bottom-up governance
« on: June 10, 2009, 04:04:39 PM »
NHA - Public Enemy is interesting, at any rate.  They are pan-nationalists and support Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam offshot (sure, its not really Islam, its just some shit a black guy made up to rebel against whitey the blue eyed devil) who, in the past and probably into the present, has co-operated with the KKK on separation of the races.  I think the political apparatus linked with those groups both sponsored some kind of bill that would give reparations to black wanting to return to Afrika.  I think their basic ideology is ok, but there is far too much populism involved.... I think Flava Flave's net worth is something like $70 million (if one counts vast mountins of crack as capital asset, hehe).
It was to composition that I was referring as dictatorial.  The person who is inspired with the music and brings it into existence should know enough not to let other people adulterate it with their own (usually shitty) ideas. Sure, a great romantic composer might use a folk melody as a starting point, but its ultimately his perceptions and such that go into the new work.  Burzum/Aske wasn't assembled by a committee, and neither was Mozart's requiem mass.  Look at most bands - they will be mostly the inspiration of one member, and when the muse leaves him and the band starts coming up with ideas as a committee, the albums start to suck.
I agree state regulation on art generally sucks.  Like the monkeys with typewriters, every once in a while a mona lisa is made... but mostly it is terrible.  I went to a state college and the 'art' that was purchased with state money or with private donations to state property was fucking aweful.  There was a giant box of mcdonald's french fries (like six feet tall made of metal in the middle of the sidewalk on campus) that was ungodly.  FUCKING TERRIBLE.  That is the best example I've ever seen in my life of the negative effect of state intervention in art.  However...

"Ofcourse the gov wouldnt worry about profits, they steal from everybody, they never loose, and if they do they ll just print some more money etc, and the principles they ll invoke are "nation" "progress" "security" and the rest of the crap."

Mandrake - they mostly just steal from the middle class.  It seems you are probably under 30 - ask your parents how much they pay in taxes and you'll probably be shocked.   But yes, it would seem that when the government handles money it is one of two things (maybe some of both):
1.  Very, very naive and irresponsible.
2.  Very corrupt, but in a 'legal' way
But just because they do bad things does not mean that government in and of itself is a bad thing.  You haven't listened to your black metal carefully enough.  Government is necessary and thus we must embrace both the :) and the:( of gov't.  We are not a nation, but an empire.   Progess... well, sure, whatever.  American society is fucked up.  Security is a very real need, though.  And really is something I like paying taxes for.  Money to the Military, and money to our security apparatus (CIA, NSA, FBI, etc).  You think China and Russia really give a shit about our 'inalienable rights'?  They're playing fucking hardball man.  We must be prepared materially and spiritually to fuck their shit when it becomes necessary.  Not just them, their toadies, too.  North Korea is going to completely undermine our strategic position in east Asia (with the able assistance of that pussy Obama) and just hand it over to China.  They are fucking with us but we can do nothing because our soldiers are commited into other strategic blunders. Mark my words, Japan and the Phillippenes are going to be Chinese outposts within 10 years.  Security is a very real interest comrade.

Interzone / Re: Hello
« on: June 10, 2009, 05:15:31 AM »
Thank you!  Yeah, it is probably my favourite Graveland album since his 1990's stuff.

Interzone / Top-down versus bottom-up governance
« on: June 09, 2009, 09:27:38 PM »
"Really, research and technology should be open, but regulated and funded by the government directly (like the military). With corporate shit; it always ends up falling into the pattern of moving two steps forward and one step back. The technology ends up getting paced to maximize profits."

Military technology is a bit strange.  A lot of cutting edge stuff is completely regulated and funded by the government (shit like the F-117) and the more pedestrian, although still large and 'infrastructerlike' stuff (logistics, mostly... something no other country in the world can match us at.  Napolean said, "an army marches on its stomach.") almost completely handed over to the private sector and barely regulated (think KBR).  Other stuff, like body armour and training aides, are completely private companies and rather unregulated, but only sell to government contracts.  In all these areas the United States maintains a lead or at least parity with other industrialized nations.   In things like firearm manufacture we lag terribly behind.  This seems to result from massive regulation and zero funding from the government.  It is insanely difficult to make a firearm for commercial purposes in this country due to regulations that have grown in number since 1936.  The last three great American firearms were all designed before 1930 - the m1 Garand, the 1911, and the M2 Browning machinegun.  All three of these designs are 80+ years old.  Browning would never be able to make guns these days.  There have been no unqualified successes in American design since then, although the m16 (whose initial end-users were South Vietnemese and Portuguese i believe) is a reasonably good rifle... although it is ironic that the Stoner design team ended up doing mostly foreign contracts (the most interesting being the Singapore Ultimax project).
So it seems that some tech is best left closed source (would you have wanted the Manhattan Project to be open source?) while others would probably benefit from a more open source approach (like the current project to find a replacement for the m16) but government funding is always good.  Whether it be direct funding, or tax brakes to companies that build shit we actually need, like tanks or satellites.
I think Public Enemy tried to do something along these lines back in the early part of the decade... I remember reading an interview with Chuck D in which he talks about it.  It sounded like such a stupid idea that I didn't really read it very carefully or even in full...  The best music is usually done by a dictatorial type or at least in a very heirarchal structure.

Metal / Re: Refreshing Classical Albums
« on: June 09, 2009, 06:30:52 PM »
I find I come away invigorated after listening to Bach. Especially his harpsichord stuff. 
The one "classical album" that I always come back to is Itzhak Perlman and the Orchestre de Paris.  It has four pieces
1 Saint Saens' op28  Its two main themes run the gamut despair to ecstasy while affirming the transitive nature of experience and perception that culminates in an affirmation of life and its tragic nature.  The main phrase played through most of the piece is played perfectly by Perlman.  He seems to be able to grasp the essence of any given piece. 
2Chausson op83  Wishy washy, I usually skip this one.  It reminds me of floating down a very slow river on an innertube.  Not in a good way - I keep swatting at the flies and wish I wasn't sunburned.
3Saint Saens op83  The Havanaise is said to have been introduced to cuba by 'negroes from Africa' (from the cd booklet).  I hope that a jewish violinist playing negro music doesn't offend anybody...   Interesting theme, it doesn't really make me think of cuba or negroes at all, but I think St Saens had a fireplace in mind when he wrote the piece.  I find myself listening to the rock solid but understated harmony parts despite Perlmans superb playing.
4Ravel "Tzigane"  A wonderful exploration of decadence.  The gypsy theme and complex sounding harmonies makes for a very cosmopolitan but still fairly grounded beginning.   Subtle and barely noticeable changes in harmony and rhythm and various 'superfluous ideas' are inserted and slowly begin to change the piece.  By the end, the causal chain that seemed so insignificant at first has now effected consequences of exponential degree.  The whole thing falls apart - i always get a visual of very tall scaffolding falling down.  The stunning array of technique employed by the composer (and expertly executed by the violinist, Itzhak Perlman) at first seems rather tacky... like 'math metal'.  In the final analysis it is appropriate and the seemingly vapid use of technique illustrates perfectly the idea of moral collapse.  Overall, this song sounds like Berlin in the 1920's

"A German Requiem" is a friggin' masterpiece that dovetails directly into Bruckner's 5th... these symphonies are not their styles. They are not their dominant emotions. They are many ideas combining to present A VIEW OF the path to and through that emotion, much like the point of "A German Requiem" is to overcome vast pain for beauty. Robert Fripp made a similar attempt with "That Which Passes."
BMDM:  I just purchased Bruckner's 7th Symphony (Karajan) partly due to posts on this site.  I have only listened to it twice (and unfortunately not all the way through, my copy is scratched so I can only listen until the first part of the fourth movement.)  I think his use of the "Wagner Tubas" is tastefully moderate.  The second movement switches to the relative minor to present a moving theme mourning Wagner's death. 
I very much am interested and will try to find myself a copy of "A German requiem"  I've read that Bruckner was played continuously over NSDAP controlled state radio after the fall of Stalingrad kessel to the Soviets.

Metal / Re: Looking like a metalhead
« on: June 09, 2009, 05:40:09 PM »
I cut off my hair long ago.  I keep it buzzed short now.  I found that the minor inconveniences of long hair add up over time and make the 'badass' factor less and less appealing.  When its 105 degrees out and you have a head of long, thick hair it sucks.  Constantly clogged drains in the bathroom despite all vigilance in keeping them clean.  Waking up with a mouthfull of my own hair....  I have also found that I seem more intimidating with short hair then long hair... not that I really wish to intimidate many people, but it is part of the metal aesthetic.  All in all, my hair is short for practical purposes only and I never had a problem at work having long hair.
I like band shirts.  I have met a few people because of them, but it seems the process is so random and the odds so tiny, that this is not really a reason to wear them.  I regard them more as a kind of 'spiritual armour' (and I think this idea is mentioned somewhere on this site's philosophy/ideology pages).  It seems to be the equivalent of an ancien pagant warrior painting his body blue or sticking eagle feathers in his hair before a skirmish.  So when there are important things to be done, I will always have on one of my favourite band shirts on, even if its just underneath a button up.
What I find interesting is the lack of beards among metalheads (although Varg Vikkernes with a beard is awesome).  I keep hoping to see IFBM (Islam-o-Fascist Black Metal) featuring guys with beards down to their stomachs, hehe.  Long hair is supposed to be heathen-ish, right?  What is so civilized about a bigass beard?

Interzone / Hello
« on: June 09, 2009, 05:01:19 PM »
Hello, I am a newly registered member and I figure I ought to introduce myself at the gate.  I have been reading your philosophy/ideology pages for quite some time; I have also been lurking through the forums and using the site as a general metal reference.  I have disseminated info about the site to people I think would benefit from it.  Presently, I hope I can join the forums as an actual, "productive" member, hehe.  Thank you and pleased to... meet... you.

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