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Interzone / Re: Hacker Group 'Anonymous' Takes on Australian Government
« on: September 10, 2009, 09:45:26 AM »
For those interested here's a list of sites that allegedly would be blocked:

Yep, that's a lot of porn sites.

Interzone / Re: Hacker Group 'Anonymous' Takes on Australian Government
« on: September 10, 2009, 01:50:17 AM »
I don't care what Anonymous is or what it does

Then why did you start this thread? In between the lines you're saying very strange and contradicting things. Aren't you just saying whatever to get your point across by now? For instance I never mentioned anything about making everyone visit anus.com, so why are you accusing me of making assumptions? And I still don't understand what your point is other than that you're obviously very impressed by Anonymous and expect us all to be as well.

Interzone / Re: Hacker Group 'Anonymous' Takes on Australian Government
« on: September 10, 2009, 12:26:50 AM »
Well, you said that Anonymous represents the general public to the person who coined the term "crowdism". That made me facepalm. Also why should anus.com work together with anyone who "attacks" the government? I didn't think the goal of anus can be simplified as "causing chaos, yeah!"

On a personal note: anonymous was cool until people started taking it too serious. Now it merely serves as an ego-booster for most people.

Interzone / Re: Hacker Group 'Anonymous' Takes on Australian Government
« on: September 09, 2009, 10:09:02 PM »
Conservationist, Anonymous represent the general public. I don't think it's helpful to work against the public who opt to attack the government.


Metal / Re: Classic metal interviews
« on: September 09, 2009, 09:46:34 AM »
Interview with Euronymous on Swedish radio, early 1993.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBXZ_ATTndo
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBQ7sZET_4E

Metal / Re: Belial
« on: September 07, 2009, 05:08:37 AM »
It hasn't been re-released yet. It's planned for 2009, vinyl only it seems:

Apparently you can still buy the second edition CD here:

Interzone / Re: Archaic video games
« on: September 06, 2009, 02:22:39 AM »
According to the researchers, Tetris was a useful tool for brain research. "Tetris, for the brain, is quite complex," said Haier. "It requires many cognitive processes like attention, hand/eye co-ordination, memory and visual spatial problem solving all working together very quickly. It's not surprising that we see changes throughout the brain."


30 mins of Tetris each day doesn't seem so bad if you can fit it in your schedule of working out, reading literature and taking walks through the forest.

Or you could stick to 12 hours of WoW and 4 hours of porn.

Metal / Re: Greatest metal FAILs of all time
« on: August 27, 2009, 10:06:43 AM »
The first time I heard this album was maybe two years ago and I wondered why it's so hated.


Doesn't remind you of David Lee Roth? When I think of cheesy heavy metal I think of Manowar. Cold Lake is worse than that: it's glam metal.

Another iconic fail album for the thread: Discharge - Grave New World.

Btw 1999 had some very good debut albums: Averse Sefira, Conqueror, Demoncy, etc. 1999 was not "bad across the musical board" at all.

Interzone / Re: Objective quality of music
« on: August 25, 2009, 07:00:10 PM »
Humans may make value but it is purely a human idea that does not exist in nature.

So animals are just disorganized creatures that don't have any values? Ever read about ants or bees?

Our values have been created over the millions of years of our evolution to allow us to survive.

Lulz, the oldest homo sapiens found is about 200,000 years old. That's not "millions of years." Sorry bro but it had to be said.

Morality has changed much over the centuries and is different with each culture. Morality is just a sign of the times, much like fashion is. That today Britney Spears is supposedly valued more than Beethoven is simply related to the time we live in, not to their music. But Britney Spears doesn't have as many streets named after her and never will, so what exactly is this thread trying to prove anyway? It's no mystery that Beethoven has contributed far more to western culture than Britney Spears has and anyone ignorant about that is obviously stupid. The anthem of the EU is Beethoven's "Ode to Joy" conducted by Herbert Von Karajan. Sorry for you Americans who have to deal with R&B singers messing up your national anthem in overcrowded baseball stadiums but that's why America isn't considered to be very cultural in the first place. Analyzing Beethoven for retards won't help, what you need is a cultural enema.

Interzone / Re: Archaic video games
« on: August 25, 2009, 05:41:48 PM »
My AIDS, Your Arse of course I agree with you. Too much of anything is bad for you. Too much food will make you fat, people who read too much risk having underdeveloped social skills, breathing too much oxygen can lead to brain damage, etc. There's no discussion there. All I'm trying to say is that video games as a medium offer a lot of potential and that it's a shame that the entertainment industry has poisoned the well with their playstations and xboxes. Why the hell anybody would want a computer that can only play video games is beyond me anyway.

I don't find that researcher very reliable though.

Kawashima compared brain activity in children playing Nintendo games with brain activity in children doing an exercise called the Kraepelin test, which involves adding single-digit numbers continuously for 30 minutes. The Nintendo group was found to only be using parts of the brain associated with vision and movement, while the arithmetic group had activity throughout the left and right hemispheres of the frontal lobe - areas of the brain associated with learning, memory, emotion, and impulse control.

Nintendo games... If this test was about the effects of death metal and they used Cannibal Corpse as the only music and twelve year old kids as test subjects would you consider it a proper test? They researched children and used kid's games, of course Mario Land is less educational than learning basic mathematics. It's interesting that he measured their brain activity but the results can hardly be called surprising.

The problem with a lot of today's video games is that they offer all these "rewards" like a level80 purple dildosword that can stab through chastity belts and nonsense like that. It actually makes people think they're progressing somehow. A more interesting test would be what the self-esteem of these people is ;)

A game like Rome: Total War offers the player a chance to play as a general commanding historical armies, that's both fun and educational at the same time. After having played that game I now have a better insight of how these ancient battles were strategically fought. Not just because someone told me but because it was demonstrated to me in a form where I could participate which also made it fun. That's how games can have a positive function in society. And if a PC game is almost good you can improve it by creating a mod for it, I'm still waiting for this one to come out:

Interzone / Re: Archaic video games
« on: August 25, 2009, 02:03:37 PM »
Video games do require more critical thinking than fictional literature does. If you're reading a book all you're doing is flipping pages, if you're playing a (challenging) game then you actually require skill and observation to progress. I do agree that literature requires more imagination, but that also means that video games have far more potential than literature. If a book reads "the house stood vacant on the hill with all windows boarded shut" am I really that intelligent for being able to imagine something like that? Will that help me in life in any way?

Currently literature wins when it comes to gaining knowledge, video games are mainly about skills with pressing buttons at the right time (which can come in quite handy later in life when you work at an assembly line but is otherwise useless) But if video games were to be made more brainy (which they occasionally are) they would be an excellent way to simply have fun and learn useful things at the same time. Or video games could be made more artful, like a painting that you can actually walk around in. Technology offers a lot of potential, it's a shame that so much is wasted on commercial products that nobody cares about anymore two years later.

Interzone / Re: Archaic video games
« on: August 25, 2009, 10:41:23 AM »
On a side note: did our DNA make us inclined to play video games?

I really like the idea of video games. They're beautiful, the concepts are neat, etc. But for how long can you do it? And don't the challenges pale immediately compared to accomplishing stuff in life?

I find most entertainment activities boring. At least carpentry has an honest boredom to it: boredom as you work out parts that lead to a state of less boring, even a state that lasts a long time. It seems to me when you win at a video game, you get a digitized congratulations and then ??? profit.

If people like videogames that much they should simply seek a career in the gaming industry, become a programmer or a level-designer or something. You mention carpentry but that's a profession and you're comparing it to gaming which would be regarded as a hobby (duh) What about the people who buy carpets and stare at them for hours, are they wasting their time too?

Videogames can have an educating function too. I haven't scrolled all the way through this thread yet so I don't know if Rome: Total War has been mentioned yet but that's a good example of a how a game could educate people. Unfortunately Rome: Total War isn't totally realistic, they changed some historical things to "improve" gameplay. But there's a number of mods out there that make it more realistic (Europa Barbarorum and Rome: Total Realism) As I said it's an example of how a game could be educational. If you want more realistic games then I suggest you pursue a career in the gaming industry and try to set up your own company. Another semi-realistic game that I like is Americas Army.

Video games go nowhere. TV goes nowhere. Both of them put images in your head where you should be using your imagination.

Man Imitates America’s Army, Saves Lives
"A North Carolina man who saw an SUV flip and roll on a highway last November was able to provide medical aid to the victims with skills he learned from the America’s Army, say the videogame’s makers."

You think this man should have used his imagination instead?


Interzone / Re: Movies replace reality
« on: August 19, 2009, 12:28:24 PM »
I believe the same effect of "brainwashing" people to believe certain things can be achieved by being exposed to music, literature and other art. The medium doesn't even matter, the only thing that matters is that the same message is projected repeatedly on the subject. It's just that movies and TV are the most popular "art form" so they receive more attention. But look at how many black metal fans will praise Odinism without having any knowledge of it outside of metal, or claim to hate christianity but can produce no solid arguments against it at all. Sound like "because I saw it in a movie" to you?

But I agree with OP that movies and TV are the most used methods to get masses of people to accept certain ideas as "facts". Perhaps not in the historical sense (which is mostly incidental; people rewrite historical stories to make them into exciting movies or TV series) but the effect of mind control is definitely prevalent when it comes to social behavior in movies and TV series. People treat fictional characters as role models whereas in old times they would have treated mythological figures as role models. Those who control the entertainment industry control the way the minds of the people work. Those who control the information industry only control what goes into the minds of the people. Scary indeed.

It's turning into Kurt Cobain now.

I regret to inform you that Chuck's superstar status has gone way beyond that point a long time ago.
Korn, Kid Rock, Slipknot Reach Out To Ailing Death Frontman

And they failed:
Charity Auction For Death Frontman Turns Ugly

Moar failure:
CHUCK SCHULDINER's Sister: CONTROL DENIED's Second Album Will be Released This Year (2007)

Notice how everything surrounding Chuck's "legacy" somehow always turns into drama? That's because it is based on drama, without their drama these people wouldn't have a leg to stand on. No wonder their press release reads like a Nigerian scam email.

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