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Metal / Re: Belial
« on: August 09, 2009, 01:25:52 PM »

page 1 result 9 of google search for "belial wisdom of darkness"

I'm feeling like a jackass so I'm going to try to rattle your brains some more by posting this:


Please excuse my trolling though, it's Sunday, it's raining, etc.

Metal / Re: Belial
« on: August 09, 2009, 06:48:10 AM »
Does anyone know ... what the cover looks like?



Metal / Re: Middle classes avoid "blue-collar" metal
« on: August 07, 2009, 02:40:11 PM »
I don't think metal's image can be defined as working class. Metal's image seems to be mostly taken from Hell's Angels and this is what metal basically represents: the lawless who live on the fringes of society. I think metalheads would sooner be identified as criminals than working class, particularly in the eighties when metal's image hadn't been fully commodified yet and turned into something harmless by the media. I think parents fear more that their child will become some kind of hoodlum or satanist because of metal but admittedly the fear of their kids becoming construction workers probably also plays a role. And I can't imagine many parents wanting their kids to be outsiders or loners unless it has something to do with passing on their own fruitcake ideals to their children.

It's amusing to see how the hippie generation had an "open mind" but only for things that fit in with their "peace and love" ideals. Black Sabbath really did scare the shit out of most of them and the effect lasted for decades.

Metal / Re: Belial
« on: August 06, 2009, 03:18:39 PM »
Well, their demos and debut EP were all occult themed. But their full-length "Never Again" saw their style stripped from that. They also began incorporating different musical elements and approaches, starting to show tendencies for simple rock music. Their last album is gothic grunge rock, not at all like their previous works. Going down this road probably helped former fans turn their backs on them. Changing your image with each album just doesn't work very well in metal.

Regardless of their later mistakes Wisdom Of Darkness is still a great classic, in a way I like it better than Impaled Nazarene because it doesn't incorporate joke tracks.

Interzone / Re: Religion in Modern America
« on: August 03, 2009, 03:29:53 AM »
Science should become the new religion, but not pseudo-science such as scientology. Science has always been the enemy of religion and vice versa (see Galileo Galilei) Religion uses imaginary threats and rewards while science can offer realistic threats and rewards. Religion is in fact a pseudo-science (creationism lol) It's high time that it is replaced with real science. Think of the benefits to society if all the money that was donated to churches right now was donated to science instead for instance. As soon as smart people found out that god was dead they should have outlawed religion, but unfortunately smart people generally don't make the rules.

People shouldn't fear an imaginary god, that just breeds stupid sheep. Sure they'll stand nicely together in a pack and you can control them to some extent but they'll still be nothing but brainless wool producers shitting all over the place.

Interzone / Who has it hardest in society?
« on: August 01, 2009, 01:34:40 AM »
Two groups of people who have it hardest in society:

1. Those who are incapable of complaining and/or who's complaints are not heard
2. Those who are not allowed to complain and/or who's complaints are ignored

Complaining doesn't prove anything other than having low tolerance but I will explain my choice.

Look at it this way: does it even matter who has it hardest? For example: comparing oppressed African-Americans with oppressed white women is like comparing apples with oranges. Bring three people in a hospital with the same wound: one will scream, another will be in shock and the other will be talking calmly with the doctor. Which one is in the most pain? Asians get discriminated against just like any other minority but you'll rarely hear them complain about it as opposed to other ethnic groups. Complaining is entirely related to a person's tolerance, it doesn't say anything about reality except for the way that person views reality. Yet society measures who has it hardest by who complains the most.

So in that respect I think it's those who's complaints are somehow pushed aside in favor of other complaints have it the hardest in society. And of course those who's complaint go unnoticed. But I don't feel sorry for any of them, they will just need to work harder for a positive solution for their problem. Just complaining about things doesn't get you anywhere and only makes you annoying after a while. So my conclusion: fuck those who supposedly have it the hardest, sodomize the weak...

Metal / Re: WDNFRA (Band)
« on: August 01, 2009, 12:50:03 AM »
How do you say "LOL" in French?

Metal / Re: The rebirth of metal
« on: August 01, 2009, 12:38:58 AM »
Demoncy - Empire Of The Fallen Angel is unfortunately a disappointing album. The good news is that Ixithra apparently thought the same and fired everyone in the band at that time and the new works should be returning to the old grimmer sound.

Havohej - Kembatinan Premaster I like it but I can imagine others won't. I personally prefer Havohej over Profanatica for their more experimental character as I feel it offers more space for innovation. Others might think it's just meaningless noise.

Primordial - To the Nameless Dead, well if you want to know what Bruce Springsteen would sound like if he tried viking metal...

Rotting Christ / Varathron, not sure about these but I'll place my 3 dollar bet on Necromantia - The Sound of Lucifer Storming Heaven when it comes to Greek BM still worth listening to.

Some additions to your list:

Ildjarn - Niddhogg for the new tracks Eksistensens Jeger and Svart Dag

Graveland - Fire Chariot Of Destruction for showing some innovation in song form

Interzone / Re: Society is hardest on young women
« on: July 31, 2009, 11:52:14 PM »
Somewhat related to this thread but from an entirely different perspective: society is hardest on old woman who worked hard her whole life and just wants to die in peace...

Retired nurse Frances Polack has taken an extraordinary measure to ensure doctors do not try to prolong her life against her wishes.

Ms Polack, 85, from Lyndhurst in Hampshire, is so concerned about unwanted medical care that she has invested in a 25 tattoo across the front of her chest. It reads "Do Not Resuscitate" in capital letters and is set around a red heart with a line through it.

"By having this tattoo, nobody can be in any doubt. It's not something I've done on a whim, it can't be washed off and I won't change my mind," she said.

There is enormous pressure on doctors and paramedics, often from the relatives, to try to revive patients at any cost, even when the patient has made their wishes clear on hospital notes.

"I am not afraid of dying. But I am afraid of living when I should be dead."


Interzone / Re: Society is hardest on young women
« on: July 31, 2009, 11:47:58 PM »
I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think there was any allusion to a social conspiracy, nor were we suggesting we tell women what to do. Because all of us happen to be male, we can't make observations about anything that doesn't pertain to males and manly metal music? I can see where there would be some oversight however.

You're right. I was being too anal. My apologies for that. I agree with your notion that women and men have their bad sides and to try to censor discussions like that is deconstructive. Probably one of the biggest flaws of feminism was not wanting to work together with men but to create some sort of female apartheid system, I wasn't trying to adhere to such attitudes but instead warn about it (which was anal of me to do)

I think the lack of female activity on the anus forums can be explained by that in metal there is a lack of females in general, which in itself is an entirely different discussion. Why females wouldn't feel attracted to the intellectual side of the anus forums I don't know, it's not like this forum only discusses topics that would only interest men. But I think there's at least one or two female forum posters here so I'm not complaining.

There's too many good people who are enamored by the 'neo-bohemian' hip lifestyle. The parents just think it's because their kids are creative and artistic, that they support their awkward and hasty decisions and "quirky" behavior. It might just be more prevalent in California though. We're less civilized over here, and about to be poor as fuck.

I think the type of parents you describe would be a Californian phenomenon then, or maybe just something of the last ten years. My parents were certainly against tattoos and I'm from a middle class background. The kids I knew who's parents weren't against them were lower class and those parents often had tattoos too. So that's where I based my opinions on.

As far as tattoos go I'll just say that it's ironic that tattoos say so much about a person after all. What kind of tattoo it is, what it represents for the person, and especially whether they want to have it removed later...

Interzone / Re: Society is hardest on young women
« on: July 30, 2009, 05:30:05 PM »
Women are generally just more insecure than men hence they will regret anything sooner than a man does. There's no social conspiracy against women apart from women making themselves and other women more insecure by reading their fashion magazines and watching their talkshows by the billions. I can easily see how their statistics in tattoo removal fit in there.

If there really is a social conspiracy against women then wouldn't it be better if women detected it and fought it? The idea of a man "educating" a woman on feminism is ridiculous. All I see in this thread is men who (with the best intentions) are essentially saying we should tell women what to do, how to view themselves and the world, and basically tell women to get some self-respect because as this thread implies women do not respect themselves, are stupid and need our manly guidance. Imarite? Be careful dudes, you're treading on thin ice here...

I'm actually surprised at the tattoo bashing going on here. Most of your metal idols probably have tattoos. And yeah of course there's lots of stupid ugly tattoos out there, my guess is they equal the amount of stupid ugly people who have those tattoos. But I'd sooner blame the popularity of tattoo removal on the shallowness of our consumer based society: i.e. the "today I'm a rockstar, tomorrow I'm an accountant" attitude. Oh and guess what kind of people make over $50,000 annually? Well they ain't sailors and bikers that's for sure. Tattoos used to belong to certain subcultures and (low) social classes and that's who it still belongs to, for other (middle and upper class) people it's just a fashion statement or a childish adventure so they usually grow to regret it (the fuckin' posers!)

Back to the OP's statement:
Our society refuses to have a central values system of any kind, so kids are thrust out to try to figure it out as best they can. Most, raised on a steady diet of movies and other karma-dramatic stuff, immediately make a series of dumb mistakes. Their parents are oblivious or simply disinterested. Only later do they come to their senses and realize they've gone down a bad road no one could be bothered to warn them about.

I understand your point but your example is very poor. How many parents do you know that don't mind it if their kids get tattoos? Outside of the lower classes (who's parents often have tattoos too, and where it can be considered a great compliment to have some names or faces of your family members tattooed on your chest) I don't know of any parent who will take lightly that their kid got a tattoo. Parents know that tattoos represent certain cultures and most middle class and upper class parents do not want their kids to become part of the lower class culture. I think it's more likely that middle and upper class people who get tattoos at an early age are rebelling against their parents instead of getting too much freedom like the OP suggested. If they really had such a bad upbringing then they would never see the error in their ways and they'd likely never grow up to make $50,000 a year either. Instead they'd live in trailer homes or be strippers still angry at their absent father or/and alcoholic mother.

I agree with the OP's notion that todays and yesterdays parents expect(ed) their kids to be raised by the failing school system and Mtv while the parents could focus on their careers and being tired in their free time (because they have careers) and that the outcome is often less than desirable. But I honestly don't see how statistics about tattoo removal fit in all of this.

Interzone / Re: Free and legal metal downloads
« on: July 28, 2009, 05:04:07 PM »
Well, another idea is to simply look at the bands who offer full albums to be downloaded from their site without charge. Here are some:

Demilich - http://anentity.com/demilich/download.php
Eucharist - http://www.artnoir-productions.com/eucharist/mp3.html
Powermad - http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=144825783&blogId=356333721

And anus.com should start a net-label of course...

Metal / Re: List of RIAA-affiliated metal labels
« on: July 28, 2009, 04:43:24 PM »
That's a really handy site, thanks for posting about it!

And the award for most pretentious goes to:

Interzone / Re: How crippling is alcohol?
« on: July 17, 2009, 09:36:09 AM »
I support social eugenics in that those who can't perform at a certain level socially (picking up women for one thing) should be culled from the population to increase its health.

"Sorry Nietzsche but Casanova says you gotta go..."

Interzone / Re: Replacing public education
« on: July 16, 2009, 10:09:51 AM »
News related to topic:

'Wikipedia kids' ill-prepared for university, professors say

Pressure from Queen's Park to increase high school graduation rates has led to a generation of "Wikipedia kids" who are not prepared for university, a survey of professors and librarians has concluded.

Students are immature, they rely too heavily on Internet tools such as Wikipedia as research sources, they fail to learn independently and they expect success without putting in the effort, said respondents to the survey by the Ontario Confederation of University Faculty Associations.

"The McGuinty government is applauding itself for increased graduation rates from secondary school," says the confederation's report, which urges more funding for for classrooms.

"However, it appears that secondary students are not receiving the requisite skills that they need to be successful in university studies."

The survey asked professors and librarians in the province's 22 universities about a number of issues, including the preparedness of first-year students now compared to three years ago. The confederation, which has 15,000 members, received 2,000 replies.

Just over 55 per cent said students are less prepared now than three years ago, while almost 27 per cent said students were about the same.

Over 15 per cent said they had no opinion. Only 2.27 per cent thought students are better prepared.

Observers blame a number of factors, from inflated parental expectations to the self-esteem culture that leads young people to believe that failure is impossible and paying tuition means getting a good grade.

"They're thinking about the fact they're paying for university. It's almost an an entitlement to a good grade," said Brian Brown, president of the Ontario Confederation of University Faculty Associations and a professor of visual arts at the University of Windsor.


Meanwhile, high school graduation rates in the province have climbed. Last year, that rate stood at 77 per cent, two percentage points more than in the previous year, and nine percentage points more compared to 2003-2004. By 2011, the province aims to have a graduation rate of at least 85 per cent.


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