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Metal / Winglord – soundtrack neofolk ambient synthpop
« on: April 15, 2012, 08:50:14 PM »
I don’t even know what to categorize this music as, but it’s equal parts soundtrack (Basil Poledouris, Vangelis, Ennio Morricone), neofolk (Hekate, Arcana), ambient (Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream) and synthpop (VNV Nation). The result is epic keyboard music that fills the soul with a sense of ancient glory. The best known example is Lord Wind, but others have touched on this idea in the past and slowly a movement is building around it.

The latest attempt, sound like like VNV Nation crossed with Vangelis, is Winglord.


Metal / Alternate paths
« on: April 14, 2012, 08:13:26 AM »
If more of metal had embraced the ideals of the DLA, metal would not be such a burnout right now.

Interzone / Jevons Paradox
« on: April 14, 2012, 06:45:48 AM »
Common sense suggests that as efficiencies rise in the use of a resource, the consumption goes down. Jevons Paradox posits that efficiencies actually drive up usage, and we're already seeing examples of this: our computers are faster than ever and we have more bandwidth than ever, yet our machines are often slow and have trouble connecting. The more we have, the even more we use.


That which is available gets used.

Nature abhors a vacuum, etc.

But what does this mean about welfare? Education? All attempts to raise up the lower?

Exactly: they artificially create a new audience to use those resources.

Metal / Brett Stevens writings
« on: April 13, 2012, 10:13:02 PM »
In Mala Fide

Metal / Sepultura - Morbid Visions/Bestial Devastation
« on: April 13, 2012, 04:24:09 PM »
It is hard to get better than this album. It's pure guts and spirit.

I had a copy of Morbid Visions on the infamous Shark records release, complete with the "Carmina Burana" intro, but I'd had trouble hunting down a clean copy of Bestial Devastation. I found out that Roadrunner had re-released these, at the apex of Sepultura's popularity after Beneath the Remains, on a rainy night in Southern California. I'd walked a few miles down the highway and wandered into the record store I almost never went to, a mainstream one, by the shopping center. As it turned out, this was a good move, since they never got death metal customers and so would sell it for pennies. For $7.95 I walked away with a used copy of this album, took it home and put it on the stereo. I never stopped listening to it, although I've taken breaks to hear other albums, get some degrees, have a few jobs and a family.

This album is death metal perfection. It takes what made Slayer great, which is love of the expressive riff. Not just the cool riff, or the groovy riff, but a riff that sounds like the song topic. These songs are basically a chord progression with chromatic riffs built around each of its points, like an insane Qabbalah of occult tones. The riffs sound like the things they describe. Knitted together, each riff only makes sense after you've heard the next one and seen where the story goes. The result is an exuberant chaos yet the tightest loops you can imagine, everything fitting together without an ounce of fat. Underneath this, racing battledrums are coordinated like a small army of horsemen; above it, a gruff voice howls out a monotonic rhythm that makes each song catchy and frees up the guitars to raise hell. Together, the two albums form a continuous entity, although it has two voices. The first sounds more like guitarist/vocalist Wagner Antichrist's previous band, Sarcofago. The second sounds more like early Slayer, Possessed and Bathory, but with greater density of riff complexity. The result is pure metal beauty.

Like many great things, "this album is not for everyone." Musical purists will complain about the lack of scales or the haphazard use of dissonance in jumbled almost pure-noise solos. People from the newer metal genres will be unable to tap into the pure animal spirit and feral misanthropy of this album. For most people, it will simply be too abrasive without a sense of groove or drop like nu-metal has. People don't realize they're scared of this; they just back away. They retreat because it has a purity of spirit and strength of conviction, an intensity of imagination and a mythopoetic view of the world, that is simply not from this self-doubting materialistic and soulless modern time. As the rubble falls, this album rises above, and that's why I listen to it daily, or more frequently if I can.


- found the link

Interzone / Medievalism
« on: April 12, 2012, 08:51:52 PM »
There is one very real sense in which the Dark Ages were the brightest of times, and it is this: that they were times of defined and definite duties and freedoms. The king might rule badly, but everyone agreed as to what good rule was. Not only every earl and baron but every carl and churl knew what an ideal king would say and do. The peasant might behave badly; but the peasant did not expect praise for it, even his own praise. These assertions can be quibbled over endlessly, of course; there are always exceptional persons and exceptional circumstances. Nevertheless they represent a broad truth about Christianized barbarian society as a whole, and arguments that focus on exceptions provide a picture that is fundamentally false, even when the instances on which they are based are real and honestly presented.


We might have a society in which the laws were few and just, simple, permanent, and familiar to everyone -- a society in which everyone stood shoulder-to-shoulder because everyone lived by the same changeless rules, and everyone knew what those rules were. When we had it, we would also have a society in which the lack of wealth was not reason for resentment but a spur to ambition, and in which wealth was not a cause for self-indulgence but a call to service. We had it once, and some time in this third millennium we shall have it again; and if we forget to thank John Ronald Reuel Tolkien for it when we get it, we will already have begun the slow and not always unpleasant return to Mordor. Freedom, love of neighbour, and personal responsibility are steep slopes; he could not climb them for us -- we must do that ourselves. But he has shown us the road and the reward.


This is traditionalism.

Interzone / Sustainability doesn't exist
« on: April 12, 2012, 08:35:33 PM »
World peace can't be done. It just can't exist.

Our dream is that the poor of the world can improve their standard of living toward first-world norms. The U.S. uses about 25% of the world’s annual energy resource (which I will use as a proxy for standard of living) while harboring about 5% of the population. Thus the average U.S. citizen uses energy at five times the rate of the average global citizen. For everyone to get where we are today in the U.S. would require a five-fold increase in the total energy expenditure of the planet. Make that 7-fold allowing the population to swell to 10 billion. And even that requires a freeze in growth at the top end (the U.S.). Since that’s not about to happen—at least not voluntarily—we should call it a ten-fold increase for everyone to get what they want.

If we are not sustainable today, how could we possibly achieve sustainability under the burden of a ten-fold increase in scale?


7 billion people brought up to American lower middle class lifestyles would be an environmental holocaust.

Then they all have kids, and we're at 9 billion.

Interzone / Consumerism = Hate
« on: April 12, 2012, 08:34:33 PM »
The presence of big-box retailers, such as Wal-Mart, K-Mart and Target, may alter a community's social and economic fabric enough to promote the creation of hate groups, according to economists.

The number of Wal-Mart stores in a county is significantly correlated with the number of hate groups in the area, said Stephan Goetz, professor of agricultural economics and regional economics, Penn State, and director of the Northeast Regional Center for Rural Development.

"Wal-Mart has clearly done good things in these communities, especially in terms of lowering prices," said Goetz. "But there may be indirect costs that are not as obvious as other effects."


Replace local culture with multiculture of no particular loyalty except to money, and you destabilize the community.

Then people look for reasons why.

The Other comes to mind for the dumb; the smarter just see a single standard being replaced by a single standard of no-standard.

Interzone / Why liberals are a fucking plague
« on: April 12, 2012, 08:29:44 PM »
The conservative’s goals may seem reasonable enough – and attainable. The leftist’s goals, on the other hand, lie in a never-never land far beyond the horizon of reality. And that is precisely what gives the advantage to the left. When the conservative makes some minor gain – getting a conservative into office – he is likely to act as if he had just won the whole war. He sees the achievement of his aims just around the corner, he lowers his guard, and he settles back to enjoy the fruits of his imagined victory. But the leftist is never satisfied, regardless of what concessions are made to his side, for his goals always remain as remote as before.

The conservative works in fits and spurts. He reacts with alarm to new depredations from the left, but is satisfied if he is able to fall back, regroup his wagons, and establish a new line of defense. The leftist keeps on pushing, probing, advancing, taking a step back now and then, but only to be able to take three steps forward later.


Want to work harder? For nothing? For no good purpose? Doing nothing of importance?

Sign up with the liberal crusade to un-do nature.

We can all enslave ourselves together toward a spaced-out revolutionary vision for those whose souls are broken and need something "uplifting."

Interzone / Fear the esurient
« on: April 12, 2012, 08:28:20 PM »
The usual frauds of book-keeping, monopoly, etc., have been known since the beginning of history, and it is precisely for this reason that the usurers are opposed to classical studies. Aristotle, in his POLITICS 1. 4/5, relates how Thales, wishing to show that a philosopher could easily “make money” if he had nothing better to do, foreseeing a bumper crop of olives, hired by paying a small deposit, all the olive presses on the islands of Miletus and Chios. When the abundant harvest arrived, everybody went to see Thales. Aristotle remarks that this is a common business practice. And the Exchange frauds are, nearly all of them, variants on this theme — artificial scarcity of grain and of merchandise, artificial scarcity of money, that is, scarcity of the key to all the other exchanges.


Seems about a useful description of consumerism to me.

Capitalism generally means "absence of socialism."

What we want is absence of (a) command economies that regulate us through money and (b) popularity games that regulate us through money.

The only solution is aristocratism.

Interzone / Underclass
« on: April 12, 2012, 08:19:11 PM »
Another hypothetical:

What society ever went backward by ditching its underclass?

Interzone / We are all one.
« on: April 12, 2012, 08:18:49 PM »
What I will eternally hate about religion is its dysgenic aspects.

For example, the idea that all people are good "in the soul" and thus our goal is to raise them up to be with the rest.

I favor a more literal approach: reward the good, and get rid of the rest. If you do this every generation, whether in editing a document, pruning a garden, animal husbandry, computer code simulations, etc. you get something better. If you don't, you regress.

To my mind, the essence of religion is that there is an order to reality and nature which is holy.

The anti-religion is that which seeks to reform that order with an artificial dogma that is designed to appeal to the human individual in its weakness and fear.

Metal / Badfare State
« on: April 12, 2012, 12:29:00 PM »
The crossover thrash band from spain Badfare State announces their first videoclip from the song "Genocidal Maniac", included in their debut ep "Socially Dead".

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huLwBd7_N4E

Interzone / Class warfare
« on: April 12, 2012, 05:23:56 AM »
White liberals devote literally billions of dollars to buying themselves products that make them look elite, from Macintosh to Volkswagen to UGG.

They don't want to be associated with the dumb and poor.

Instead of saying that clearly, we've invented all sorts of subterfuges like equality, diversity, "education," hipness, etc. to differentiate.

If these people ever start thinking honestly, they will realize: culling the under-120s would do everything they need, without the false superiority complex of need someone to feel better than.

A world with no excuses. They will like this idea.

Culling: it's more achievable than you think, and definitely better than another 2,000 years of class warfare.


Interzone / Why I culled the art thread
« on: April 11, 2012, 09:29:13 PM »
Things like this ruin a forum.

With such a thread, you're picking art not by what it is, but by who made it (members of a forum).

That throws quality out the window. Pick by quality, not social factors.

You also create a monster no one can regulate.

What do you do if someone posts something horrible?

You can be an asshole and say, "Wow, that's fucking autistic."

You can politely nod and ignore. This tacitly endorses it.

Or you can lie and say, "That's really.... in-ter-es-ting."

Better just to avoid it. Kill the thread. They sure are popular though.

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