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Interzone / Re: The Bicameral Mind
« on: June 28, 2009, 03:27:29 PM »
Seems to me it's the same body/mind division the Hindus tell us about.

The personality emerges from the process of being aware; however, the personality cannot conceptualize itself as something that is itself a product of the calculations of a mind. It needs to think it's a finite thing that exists. So a division between PERSONALITY and MIND emerges.

Because personality is most similar to things of an absolute nature of personality, we project it into God or gods. We also project it into other personalities, which is the formation of "crowdism."

Because our personality does not control our mind, we project it into physical reality and surmise it's like nature: lawless, chaotic, something we can't CONTROL.

Interzone / Replacing public education
« on: June 28, 2009, 01:17:37 AM »
Between political coercion and a desire to make everyone pass, most schools have been dumbing it down for sixty years at this point.

This is why in the USA, a high school degree no longer means more than "I managed to attend some place for 75% or more of the time, semi-reliably."

That's why most people need college... a high school degree carries no weight.

It's why most college people need graduate school... college is high school x 1.5.

And it's also why colleges spend a lot of time teaching the remedial, so a graduate doesn't know a lot of things they need.

So my question is what is a reading/skills list for each?

Column A:
- What books should be read and skills learned to have a complete HIGH SCHOOL education?

Column B:
- What books should be read and skills learned to have a complete COLLEGE education?

I guess we can list experiences too.

- Brave New World
- The Republic
- The story of philosophy
- Introductory economics
- Basic physics
- Team activities
- Solo research projects of > 20 pages

- Naked Lunch
- Fistfights
- Beyond good and evil

I'm sure there are more.

Interzone / Re: It's cool to be out of touch
« on: June 28, 2009, 01:14:26 AM »
Yeah, I agree.

The real question here is how to have a whole life. Your life can be some study, some exercise, some play and should include some sloth. It doesn't make your diet "healthy" to blindly cut out all fat.

A secondary question is what activities promote stupidity and should be banned. I guess some video games and movies are OK; most books should be burned for being shitty.

Interzone / Re: God is dead, and we have killed him.
« on: June 28, 2009, 01:12:21 AM »
I think it's interesting how even on this forum, the really big ideas that are challenging get ignored.

Like this one; it's a hard chew.

To my mind, we should develop more of a sacred outlook toward life, and if religion does that, fine. Put a roomful of geniuses to work on Christianity and you'll get a better form of Christianity. Yes, let them edit the Bible. Put out a new edition every twenty years and offer cash to buyback the old ones.

The masses will never know -- because they don't really care. They're glorified orangutans.

Interzone / Re: Top-down versus bottom-up governance
« on: June 28, 2009, 01:10:42 AM »
This thread got forgotten, it seems.

The real issue is between the crowd and the individual. Groups of people tend to favor lowest common denominator ideas that give them the most control. Each person in the crowd thinks they're coming out ahead. It's like a lottery.

So you probably need some way to beat that crowd down, if not outright kill them (hey, it's a solution).

I guess capitalism bums me out... but really, that's a secondary issue at best. The real issue is the huge number of congenitally stupid, irresponsible, corrupt, dishonest, predatory, etc. people we're building up.

Rid us of them, and even apocalyptic communism could work!

Interzone / Re: Where good people cluster
« on: June 28, 2009, 01:08:36 AM »
My advice:

Open a local coffee shop and play only classical and electronic music.

Give student discounts to kids with high averages (like, above B).

Stay open late so they have a place to be...

Metal / Re: Classical music for metalheads
« on: June 28, 2009, 01:07:11 AM »
Southern Europeans contributed quite a bit to classical.

I'll have to check out this Verdi guy.

Interzone / Re: On technicality
« on: June 28, 2009, 01:05:44 AM »
Again, it's a cause/effects confusion.

Is Beethoven's music excellent because it's technical, or technical because it's excellent -- and thus required headier techniques to express?

Cynic, Opeth, Origin, Meshuggah and Necrophagist are the worst faux-technical players out there. First, songwriting is random. Next, they're good with a few techniques, but never go beyond that, and all of what they do is remarkably similar in tempo and phrase. Should tell us all something.

Demilich on the other hand... is very similar in parts, but has a goal other than the music itself.

I guess that's life in a nutshell: your goal cannot be the thing in itself, but the gestalt and experience of the whole.

After all, you don't live for your body -- it's a means to an end.

Interzone / Re: Can Life Prevail? by Pentti Linkola
« on: June 28, 2009, 01:02:57 AM »
Normal folks are socially adaptive. They'll benefit by speaking their minds only when the setting and audience are right. The hipster never does and is eventually loathed, the Aspie always does and is often foolish for doing so.

I summed it up this way earlier:

A hipster uses social approval as a tool to get around reality.

Others are trying to make it through and, while some of their actions are clearly vapid, their goal is sensible and non-manipulative.

Interzone / Re: Can Christians Create Quality Music?
« on: June 28, 2009, 01:01:47 AM »
It's hard to separate dualistic from non-dualistic thought because of the linguistic issues involved. Did someone say the other world or the other dimension? Often languages don't separate those terms (for example, Schopenhauer's "the world" to mean ultimate physical reality in the cosmos).

Metal / Re: Classical music
« on: June 28, 2009, 01:00:05 AM »
Yes, thank you, that's GABRIEL Faure (add accents as appropriate).

Never got into Vivaldi. Save some things for the future. What do you think of Corelli and Rossini, since we're talking pasta people?

Interzone / Re: Nihilism and concrete freedom
« on: June 26, 2009, 02:08:28 PM »
Here's another one:

Jeffers was an advocate for inhumanism, the belief that mankind is too self-centered and too indifferent to the "astonishing beauty of things." Articulated in the first half of the 1900s, inhumanism views that humans may strive, but will always be unable to "uncenter" themselves. Furthermore Inhumanism called for "a shifting of emphasis and significance from man to notman; the rejection of human solipsism and recognition of the transhuman magnificence.... This manner of thought and feeling is neither misanthropic nor pessimist.... It offers a reasonable detachment as rule of conduct, instead of love, hate and envy.... it provides magnificence for the religious instinct, and satisfies our need to admire greatness and rejoice in beauty."


Straight out of the transcendentalist environmental movement.

Interzone / Re: Can Life Prevail? by Pentti Linkola
« on: June 25, 2009, 03:48:55 PM »
People have no idea how we got such reckless growth, consumerism, lying politicians, etc.

It's because we have a huge group of people who are totally irresponsible, oblivious, don't want to learn and don't want anything but the modern equivalent of bread and circuses (Heineken and iPods).

That group and its demographic/purchasing/voting power is what empowers the corruption and stupidity.

Interzone / Re: On technicality
« on: June 25, 2009, 03:47:07 PM »
I believe this is also what the progenitors of any metal movement (later to be imitated) do; i.e. they don't think in terms of "Now I'm going to create a new genre with specific limitations on song structure, melodic scales and lyrics" but rather just aspire to create something really awesome.

They're thinking backward then. You want to come up with an idea for a song in the abstract, like an emotion or experience (or ideally, emotion told through experience) and then figure out what techniques are needed. Finding the technique first is the kind of "outside looking in" that people are talking about.

Origin is just plain goofy. That music makes me laugh out loud. It is technical, for sure... but what is it? It sounds like a radio jingle in a high speed collision with a fusion band on meth.

Metal / MARK RIDDICK updates website, posts new cover art
« on: June 25, 2009, 05:50:12 AM »

Underground heavy metal illustrator, Mark Riddick, reveals his new Web site overhaul, www.riddickart.com. The new site features an interactive blog-style format complete with gallery, Web store, downloads, and links. The new Web site was designed by award-winning graphic artist, Greg Comstock, www.gregcomstock.com.


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