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Interzone / Re: Immanuel Kant and His Holiness Satan
« on: May 12, 2011, 10:00:27 PM »
As for the section on the acausal: I had a train of thought almost exactly like this tonight. It's nice to see it put into words with such impeccable timing. This "ONA" thing looks rather promising (though I suspect that it, too, will not take long to transcend). The OP is a nice contrast of poor vs. rich philosophy, heed it well ye observers.

From what I've read of the ONA canon (a few writings of Long & Myatt, some descriptions of ritual, ideology, etc.), there doesn't seem to be a whole lot that separates it from the literature of numerous other magic-using forms of Western esoterism / occultism, apart from their somewhat better-quality metaphysical writings and explicit counter-cultural bent. I'm guessing it is this latter item which forms the main source of intrigue for members of the underground metal community, evidenced by the handful of other posts here related to this organization and their insignia emblazoned by bands Aosoth and Into Oblivion. That being said, these guys do seem have a lot of their metaphysical writings online and if you're unfamiliar with this sort of thing, it'd no doubt serve you well.

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Metal / Re: Organ music
« on: May 12, 2011, 03:09:54 AM »
I just recalled one of the most exceptional organ pieces of the Romantic repertoire. Behold:

Julius Reubke (1834 - 1858) - Sonata on the 94th Psalm

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Metal / Re: Tree, Forest Worship
« on: May 09, 2011, 08:20:22 PM »
The Golden Bough is the biggest load of tripe I've ever read.

How so? I've only flipped through it.

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Metal / Tree, Forest Worship
« on: May 09, 2011, 04:45:40 PM »
Frazer's "The Golden Bough (in one volume)." Chapter: The Worship of Trees, p110:

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From an examination of the Teutonic words for "temple" Grimm has made it probable that amongst the Germans the oldest sanctuaries were natural woods. However that may be, tree-worship is well attested for all the great European families of the Aryan stock. Amongst the Celts the oak-worship of the Druids is familiar to every one, and their old word for sanctuary seems to be identical in origin and meaning with the Latin nemus, a grove or woodland glade, which still survives in the name of Nemi. Sacred groves were common among the ancient Germans, and tree-worship is hardly extinct amongst their descendants at the present day. How serious that worship was in former times may be gather from the ferocious penalty appointed by the old German laws for such as daring to peel the bark of a standing tree. The culprit's navel was to be cut out and nailed to a part of the tree which he had peeled, and he was to be driven round and round the tree till all his guts were wound about its trunk.The intention of the punishment clearly was to replace the dead bark by a living substitute taken from the culprit; it was a life for a life, the life of a man for the life of a tree. At Upsala, the old religious capital of Sweden, there was a sacred grove in which every tree was regarded as divine. The heathen Slavs worshipped trees and groves. The Lithuanians were not converted to Christianity till towards the close of the fourteenth century, and amongst them at the date of their conversion the worship of trees was prominent. Some of them revered remarkable oaks and other great shady trees, from which they received oracular responses. Some maintained holy groves about their villages or houses, where even to break a twig would have been a sin. They thought that he who cut a bough in such a grove either died suddenly or was crippled in one of his limbs. Proofs of the prevalance of tree-worship in ancient Greece and Italy are abundant. In the sanctuary of Aesculapius at Cos, for example, it was forbidden to cut down the cypress-trees under a penalty of a thousand drachms. But nowhere, perhaps, in the ancient world was this antique form of religion better preserved than in the heart of the great metropolis itself. In the Forum, the busy centre of Roman life, the sacred fig-tree of Romulus was worshipped down to the days of the empire, and the withering of its trunk was enough to spread consternation through the city. Again, on the slope of the Palatine Hill grew a cornel-tree which was esteemed one of the most sacred objects in Rome. Whenever the tree appeared to a passer-by to be drooping, he set up a hue and cry which was echoed by the people in the street, and soon a crowd might be seen running helter-skelter from all sides with buckets of water, as if (says Plutarch) they were hastening to put out a fire.

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Interzone / Love for Radio Nihil
« on: May 09, 2011, 03:59:51 PM »
http://www.anus.com/zine/radio/

Re-listening to FNH's/LLD's shows, I'm struck by how well they hold up. Good commentary, music selection, overall composition. It's unfortunate that they handed the reigns to the two later, inferior DJs (though I only heard one of Aeshma's shows), this decision presumably leading to Radio Nihil's demise. Regardless, they should be commended for producing one solid piece weekly for the better part of a year. Also, glad to see hi.arc.tow. going strong.

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Metal / Re: Metal and Early music
« on: May 08, 2011, 01:29:32 AM »
The beginning of Asphyx's epic Initiation into the Ossuary (off the s/t) features an excerpt of unidentified chant over a drumless introductory riff.

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Metal / Re: Metal and Early music
« on: May 06, 2011, 12:37:56 PM »
The classic chant is Dies Irae (Trans. "Day of Wrath"). It was hip for Romantic composers to insert this into their "darker" pieces.

Day of wrath, day that
will dissolve the world into burning coals,
as David bore witness with the Sibyl.

How great a tremor is to be,
when the judge is to come
briskly shattering every (grave).

A trumpet sounding an astonishing sound
through the tombs of the region
drives all (men) before the throne.

Death will be stunned and (so) will Nature,
when arises (man) the creature
responding to the One judging. [...]

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Interzone / Re: Military Training
« on: April 25, 2011, 09:05:54 PM »
The only unique and helpful information in this thread:

user Dhalgren:
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...in the US Army there are over 150 enlisted jobs, 24 definitely involve combat.  The rest may see you in sporadic combat (truck driver), or they may not (food service specialist).  

If you are worried about combat, pick a non combat MOS, if you are not, you are lying.  But if you want to experience combat pick a combat MOS. BCT in the army is 9 weeks for most MOS's, and more or less 14 weeks for infantry.  Before you get to basic you will spend several weeks if not months getting cleared to even enter the army at all, not to mention the time you will wait to get a contract with the MOS you want and the schools that may be available to you.  For example take the 6 months I know that recruits have spent waiting on Ranger contracts and the subsequent 14 weeks of infantry basic training, 3 weeks of Airborne school, and 4 weeks of Ranger Indoctrination to become "n00b" Ranger who must still wait 3 months to a year in the 75th Ranger Regiment to get a chance to attend Ranger school (the most useful for learning [survival skills]) for 9 weeks to become a full Ranger.  If you spent that time teaching yourself the basic skills you desire, you would come out about 2 years ahead of someone in the army because everything YOU need to know to survive in your backyard can be taught to you in a matter of weeks.  And when I say you will spend 3 months to a year waiting for a slot in Ranger school what I really mean is you WILL spend 15 months on deployment.

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Metal / Re: Best of Underground Metal 1982-2002
« on: April 23, 2011, 04:07:25 PM »
Also, how do you guys feel about Final Holocaust being at the top of the Death Metal List? The album's never click with me, personally, and it doesn't seem to get much discussion either. A prozakian idiosyncracy? Or do any of you actually consider it the greatest DM album ever?

Any BEST EVER talk is like theology - hairsplitting. The DLA list is a great start for someone discovering metal, particularly when the recommended material is listened to along with the website's articles and reviews.

It does not seem unreasonable that Final Holocaust is "#1". The riff structure and flow almost sounds like classical, but metal's barbaric aesthetic is present. The performance and production is austere compared to most DM, and this is probably what turns most people off. If you can get past that, a rewarding listen (for death metal, anyway).

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Interzone / Self-discipline in Modernity
« on: April 23, 2011, 03:39:14 PM »
... which is why I suggest a heavy dose of discipline. If you can't figure out how to discipline yourself, join the military, there someone else will force discipline on you.

Has this been your own experience, joining the military or self-instating discipline? What have you done, and how would you gauge its effectiveness?

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Metal / Re: Hugo Wolf - Superior Lieder
« on: April 23, 2011, 03:17:32 PM »
It may be ill-advised to defend a dead account, but here goes:

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Bruckner, Wagner, Smetana, Janáček, Schoenberg and co. were all lacking in the insight department, obviously.

Obviously, "uncharacteristically insightful" is a poor choice of words. Wolf paints a remarkably clear picture in a small space, something those composers mentioned did rarely, at least from what I've heard.

This is a broad question, but what "late Romantic" music would you recommend? Certainly those interested here are also acquainted with Bruckner's Symphonies, Wagner, and maybe Schoenberg's Verklaerte Nacht.

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Metal / Re: Organ music
« on: April 23, 2011, 02:54:41 PM »
This was recommended elsewhere some time ago, but for the Bach / organ neophyte, there is no better set of CDs to have: a classic interpretation of (near) Bach's Complete Organ Works... for $20.

Many who "listen to classical music" do not have the patience required for a lot of stuff before Bach (or even Beethoven, for that matter), but there are many fantastic recordings of early and middle Baroque on restored period organs. I find it particularly fascinating to hear the evolution of instrumental music up to the genesis of diatonic harmony. The most recommendable example of this "modal" Baroque keyboard music is Johann Jakob Froberger... though his music is known more for performances on harpsichord than organ.

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Metal / Re: Organ music
« on: April 17, 2011, 02:34:35 PM »
You're spot-on with your evaluation. The "more finite corridor emotions" remark is missing the fact that Bruckner was a composer of symphonies but firstly an organist, (after you realize this, his symphonies sound like little more than organ music transposed for orchestra), and that other romantic composers like Brahms held the organ in very high esteem. By my ear, the acoustic and dynamic restrictions of this keyboard instrument does little to adversely effect the content of either of those composers. If anything, it allowed them to work in more tried-and-true western forms, rather than accept or combat all of the theoretical garbage that surfaced in the 19th century after the symphony was revolutionized by Beethoven.

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Interzone / Re: Thinking about death.
« on: April 17, 2011, 02:02:24 PM »
To the OP: What is your vocation?

To face the modern world without the pillars of traditional society is to be alone in the worst sense of the word. What you have shared, specifically in your second post, reminds me of my own recent experiences (re-)entering the more depraved parts of society. Real and regular interchange with some kind of community is ideal, but as you have probably discovered, this sort of thing is hard to find, without lowering one's standards in a way that often seems poorly compromising. Though not for everyone, nowadays, most recommendable here are religious communities with committed practitioners. A good resource would be a local Zen teacher / sitting group, fairly common in the West, though not all legitimate. PM me if you have questions about this.

So, other than finding a good community... - Engaging in activities which require a relaxed state of focus, like drawing, woodworking or playing music, is one of the healthiest things to do provided you have the right mindset about it. These all involve an externalization by channeling your powers into something objective beyond yourself - in plainer words, these activities help you “get out of your head.” Perhaps better still would be exercise and good nutrition. The more vigorous the exercise the better, but anything that gets you moving is beneficial. Nutrition is a long story and too often overlooked, but the best that you can do is to try to get an appropriate amount of Vitamin D through food and sunlight, and avoid processed grains and sugars. Book rec: Nourishing Traditions.

Unfortunately, the insights and experiences of everyone here will not resolve your struggle. That will and must come from patience and appropriate self-observation with regards to your own desires and motivations. This sort of understanding - as with anything else - only comes with time.

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Interzone / Re: An amateur artist's question about art
« on: April 09, 2011, 12:38:41 PM »
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Being in love with a girl, knowing it's doomed, and yet knowing you want the experience of loss because only through that can you move on from love for love's sake, and on to knowing what you want to fit into the bigger picture. Abstraction rules art. You want to take something specific, put it half into context, show us every essence of the experience of it, and then put it fully into context and make that context relate to the specific attributes of the something specific.

http://www.anus.com/metal/hall/index.php/topic,4770.msg29165.html#msg29165

It makes more sense if you plug in the preceding two sentences:

You take love, put it half into context - love for love's sake, in essence - show us every essence of the experience of it - through the language of the abstraction inherent to your art medium - and then put it fully into context - the doom of love's loss, in essence - and make that context relate to the specific attributes of the something specific - how does love's duality, emergent from these contexts of rapture and loss, speak to the fullness and reality of love, and in turn, what does that say about the whole of existence?

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