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Metal / Re: What bands are you listening to today?
« on: January 17, 2014, 06:13:06 PM »
Therion- Symphony Masses and ....Of Darkness
Sacramentum - Comimg of Chaos
Into Oblivion - they just released a split with Disintered and its really good!
Cromlech- Ave Mortis

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Interzone / Re: Tolkien
« on: January 09, 2014, 11:21:22 PM »
Burzum!

Even the last Burzum record is named after a poem that Frodo recites at the end of the LOTR. The irony of course is the fact that Tolkien himself recognized, and stated in his letters, that LOTR was a deeply Catholic work, which makes sense given the fact that Tolkien himself was deeply Catholic.

Hail Tolkien and Burzum!

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Metal / Re: What Band are you listening today?
« on: December 22, 2013, 12:52:29 AM »
Bathory- Blood, Fire, Death
Samael - Worship Him
Gorgoroth -Antichrist
Bach - The art of fugue

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Interzone / Re: Need someone to take over Neoclassical Hub
« on: September 28, 2013, 07:00:24 PM »
I can help out. I have no idea what I would have to do but I don't mind pitching in if I can. PM me with some details.....

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Interzone / Re: Spiritualism
« on: August 19, 2013, 03:58:05 PM »
genesis 3:22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+3%3A22&version=KJV

genesis 1:26
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1%3A26&version=NIV

If I read it correctly, the Christian and jewish God is in fact several ones.  How do you interpret it?

God is an undivided Trinity...... The three in one and one in three......

That would be the father, the son and the holy spirit If I remember well. Jesus must be the son. What would be the diference between the father and the holy spirit? Is the entity of Yahveh is mostly the father figure or the is he allways the three at the same time? It's all a little blurry to me.

Don't burn too many calories trying to make sense of it. The Christian legend is just a vile distortion of pre-Judeo mysticism that is much more clear on the matter. In the beginning was the Father (Being) and Mother (Nothingness), and their union created the Child (the Universe).

I refrain from making any specific implications, but it is an interesting question; why did Christians removed the "Mother" from the original Trinity?

Actually the next obvious question would be who created the nothingness with which the Father united with? Have they both existed from all time? If that's is the case than what implications follow? Are the father, mother and child mutually exclusive, thus implying their own exclusively inherent divinity, therefore also implying a sort of polytheism? I get the feeling we are not really talking about the same Trinity to be quite frank. Catholics have a mother by the way, the Virgin Mary. Maybe, "mother" was removed from the "original" trinity because a new revelation deemed it false?

It is not so complicated if we divorce ourselves from the egotistical assumption that the universe was "created" by some anthropomorphic will. Stephen Hawking does a better job of explaining the Cosmic Egg's (singularity) impregnation by the Father's Seed (quantum fluctuations, which are small but when the universe is compressed into an infinitely smooth point of zero-space, all it takes is a little nudge to set off quite a big reaction) than religions do.

You can spawn a never-ending reductionist trap of questions if you begin with the idea of "will" and creation" though. That's why the handfuk of people who are really able to comprehend and explain this stufft remove the human element as far as possible from their assumptions and conclusions. The universe just doesn't make sense if you assume that it *built* just for us.

That was my point in the first place. You said that the Catholic Trinity removed Mother from the original Trinity, I was responding that your idea of the Trinity is different from the Catholic conception of the Trinity and your responses have verified that. As a side note, the idea of an Anthropomorphic will creating something is an oversimplification of Catholic Cosmology. Yes, life and the creation of the Universe is complicated, mysterious and not likely to be fully explained by human reason. Its no less egotistical to assume the Stephen Hawking via the scientific method and human reason has successfully explained the origin of life, universe etc. If you really believe that the science removes the human element from its explanations than I think you need to go back and read about the history and development of science, especially regarding the human made philosophical assumptions that underlie it all. Btw, Im not attacking science here but science is the ultimate expression of how human reason/rationality understands reality, i.e., the human mind projects, via science, its own laws onto reality in order to understand and make sense of reality (as it must, according to its nature). Knowledge gained through science is as much about revealing "laws" in nature as it is about understanding how human reason operates.

 Actually, there is no reductionist trap if we begin with the idea that the Universe was created, I know very well where that reduction ends and it probably includes, in way way or another, the very idea of creation you are espousing. However, it goes further because it is not trapped in Rationalism, or the idea that because the human mind cannot penetrate any further that mother, father, child that nothing exists beyond it. In the end, it is a matter of doing justice to the idea of a "Creator" so that He is not reduced to some sort of superman, or Cosmic Santa. I too understand God as Being, as Ultimate Reality, that which has existed from all time, the source of all Ideas (Platonically speaking) and the source of the underlying structure and order of the Universe (Word). If there is a "father", "mother", "child", it has the source of its being in God, and so we begin at the beginning again....:)

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Interzone / Re: Spiritualism
« on: August 19, 2013, 06:20:26 AM »
I agree. As I mentioned, Catholicism appeals to me for precisely that reason. It upholds that not all things can be reducible to reason, that some things are a mystery and will always remain so.

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Interzone / Re: Superior? To what?
« on: August 19, 2013, 06:18:08 AM »
Perhaps mankinds higher nature is a pinnacle of creation, versus each individual per se?
Does man actually need a lot of stuff?
What animal creates music? art? poetry?
Maybe that was the trade off?

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Interzone / Re: Spiritualism
« on: August 19, 2013, 06:11:49 AM »
genesis 3:22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+3%3A22&version=KJV

genesis 1:26
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1%3A26&version=NIV

If I read it correctly, the Christian and jewish God is in fact several ones.  How do you interpret it?

God is an undivided Trinity...... The three in one and one in three......

That would be the father, the son and the holy spirit If I remember well. Jesus must be the son. What would be the diference between the father and the holy spirit? Is the entity of Yahveh is mostly the father figure or the is he allways the three at the same time? It's all a little blurry to me.

Don't burn too many calories trying to make sense of it. The Christian legend is just a vile distortion of pre-Judeo mysticism that is much more clear on the matter. In the beginning was the Father (Being) and Mother (Nothingness), and their union created the Child (the Universe).

I refrain from making any specific implications, but it is an interesting question; why did Christians removed the "Mother" from the original Trinity?

Actually the next obvious question would be who created the nothingness with which the Father united with? Have they both existed from all time? If that's is the case than what implications follow? Are the father, mother and child mutually exclusive, thus implying their own exclusively inherent divinity, therefore also implying a sort of polytheism? I get the feeling we are not really talking about the same Trinity to be quite frank. Catholics have a mother by the way, the Virgin Mary. Maybe, "mother" was removed from the "original" trinity because a new revelation deemed it false?

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Interzone / Re: Spiritualism
« on: August 18, 2013, 10:21:16 PM »
genesis 3:22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+3%3A22&version=KJV

genesis 1:26
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1%3A26&version=NIV

If I read it correctly, the Christian and jewish God is in fact several ones.  How do you interpret it?

God is an undivided Trinity...... The three in one and one in three......

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Interzone / Re: Spiritualism
« on: August 17, 2013, 07:44:49 PM »
I was raised a post Vatican II Catholic. In my adulthood I have come to recognize myself as an aspiring Traditional Catholic. I went through "atheism", "scientism", "New Age", "Hinduism", "Esoteric Hitlerism", and "Paganism" and while I found them helpful in guiding me, I find myself drawn to the Mysteries of Catholicism, to the idea of the Church Militant, to the historical precedent of religious military orders,i.e., Templars, to the writings of the Church Fathers and to the fact that much of what was noble in pagan European thought was retained in Catholicism. The Lord of the Rings and the writings of Tolkien have also played a vital role in my re-evaluation of Catholicism. I suppose my Irish/French ancestry also predisposed me towards Catholicism in the first place. In addition, I think Catholicism represents the last living bastion of genuine Tradition in Europe, if Catholicism can be saved from itself it could provide a defence against all that is decadent in modern Europe.

My beliefs: Man is fallen, his salvation lies in a conformity to a providentially ordered and enchanted universe. Through prayer, piety, Love and metaphysics one attains an understanding of unltimate reality and conforms his will to that reality.

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Interzone / Re: Suggestions
« on: April 18, 2013, 12:09:24 AM »
1. Daily updates; these are likely getting lost becase people dont tend to hit the "older posts" button in order to see what was posted 6 months ago. With the plethora of new posts coming out, you might want to think about havng them automatically sent to each sub section of the site, i.e., the Supuration interview is not available in the "Interview" sections. None of the your new reviews are available in the "Reviews section". Ive always found this odd. If you dont want them included in what was transfered from the other sites you might want to include a sub page in the "reviews" section where these can be placed and thus more easily accessed at a later date.

2. The "Webzine" section is messy as hell, it seems like a hole that some random shit got thrown into. Some more coherency here would be nice.

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However, as I mentioned earlier I know for a fact that a small minority of those people who left did so with good will, neither deprecating you, nor acting as detractors....they simply disagreed with you.


Most people however oppose this direction because they want a clubhouse, and I don't think we should shy away from bashing that narrow-minded short-sighted mentality.

Yes, that may be true for many of the people that "left", but not all and I think that has been lost sight of here.

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Why do people ask "why"? Is it really a desire to understand? Or more a statement of disagreement and resistance?

It can be both I suppose, it depends on the context and the disposition of the person at a given time. They may have a genuine desire for truth and thus ask "why" in order to learn. Others ask "why" out of resentment for the given, in order to rationalize a way out of the constraints imposed upon them by reality, like child when they are told they cannot have a chocolate bar.

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You sound bitter about the fact that some people decided that they did not like the direction you took deathmetal.org in. Now you are reaching out to find new writers, when you had a whole slew of people who admired, respected, and wanted to write for, and in collaboration with you.

That's true. Why did they leave, do you think?
Did they leave? Were they abandoned? Perhaps they are disillusioned? I have no doubt some feel betrayed by the new direction of the site. However, as I mentioned earlier I know for a fact that a small minority of those people who left did so with good will, neither deprecating you, nor acting as detractors....they simply disagreed with you.

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I was not reffering to the overall tone of the post, just one section. Yes, he knows exactly what he is doing... and what he has done.


Whether or not the help is helpful, well if it isnt helpful it isnt help at all is it? However, it is worth keeping in mind that some helpful people who worked for this site in both its current and previous manifestation have disassociated themselves from this site. Why is it that those who have done this are now considered "failures", "defected", etc etc. As far as I remember there were no harsh words between parties, and in fact the "splinter groups" threw out an olive branch and specifically stated that they wanted to work alongside Prozak/Stevens, not compete with him.

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