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Metal / Re: Bands worth hearing thread
« on: November 18, 2009, 03:16:01 AM »
What about Rush?
I know this isnt a metalband per se, but i have 2112 and it seems quite good from what i have heard.
Another non metal musical project worth checking out: Aphex Twin.
Das Ich is interesting also.
Did anyone mention Isengard?
I know this isnt a metalband per se, but i have 2112 and it seems quite good from what i have heard.
Another non metal musical project worth checking out: Aphex Twin.
Das Ich is interesting also.
Did anyone mention Isengard?
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Metal / Re: Fugue in Metal
« on: November 18, 2009, 03:11:38 AM »
Okay,awesome, i understand that.
New Question:
"The subject may be repeated literally in the dominant key, or it may be altered to remain within the original key. "
How can the subject be repeated in the dominant key? A new key,would imply a new key signature and thus modify the subject, perhaps to such a degree as to not recognize it as a modification as such. Is the subject defined by the pattern of tones between the notes?
For example:
Subject= e-f-g-g flat
The ratio/pattern simply being whole tone, whole tone, half tone
When changing to the dominant key, does the new subject only have to follow this pattern (W-W-H)? starting on the same note (ie. the e in this here example is the fourth note of scale x,thus when moving to the dominant key,we look for the fourth note of that scale and follow the same pattern of tones w-w-h?)
New Question:
"The subject may be repeated literally in the dominant key, or it may be altered to remain within the original key. "
How can the subject be repeated in the dominant key? A new key,would imply a new key signature and thus modify the subject, perhaps to such a degree as to not recognize it as a modification as such. Is the subject defined by the pattern of tones between the notes?
For example:
Subject= e-f-g-g flat
The ratio/pattern simply being whole tone, whole tone, half tone
When changing to the dominant key, does the new subject only have to follow this pattern (W-W-H)? starting on the same note (ie. the e in this here example is the fourth note of scale x,thus when moving to the dominant key,we look for the fourth note of that scale and follow the same pattern of tones w-w-h?)
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Metal / Re: Fugue in Metal
« on: November 17, 2009, 07:04:07 AM »
Thank-you for taking the time to explain the fugue. Highly appreciated.
Excersises in this type of composition i think would certainly help to expand the metal lexicon, again as long as it retains the traditional elements of great metal,and thus avoids novelty....
As a novice in classical music theory im wondering what you mean by the dominant key? See below....
"The subject may be repeated literally in the dominant key, or it may be altered to remain within the original key."
Excersises in this type of composition i think would certainly help to expand the metal lexicon, again as long as it retains the traditional elements of great metal,and thus avoids novelty....
As a novice in classical music theory im wondering what you mean by the dominant key? See below....
"The subject may be repeated literally in the dominant key, or it may be altered to remain within the original key."
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Chasm / Toronto Hessians/Beethoven
« on: November 08, 2009, 04:53:18 PM »
It would be great to see a large constituent of Hessians turn out for Beethoven's Fifth symphony in February.
http://www.ticketmaster.ca/Beethoven-Symphony-5-tickets/artist/1360715
If you are interested, please repsond to this post. I would like to see the interest this performance generates in order to determine whether or not it could provide the stimulus for a gathering of intelligent Hessians. We could turn this into a full evening of metal, philosophy, art etc at a local pub beforehand if people are interested.
The cheapest tickets are 29 dollars, thats as cheap as you pay for half or more than half the metal garbage we get around this city.
Heads Up: Beethoven's Ninth is playing in June.
http://www.ticketmaster.ca/Beethoven-Symphony-5-tickets/artist/1360715
If you are interested, please repsond to this post. I would like to see the interest this performance generates in order to determine whether or not it could provide the stimulus for a gathering of intelligent Hessians. We could turn this into a full evening of metal, philosophy, art etc at a local pub beforehand if people are interested.
The cheapest tickets are 29 dollars, thats as cheap as you pay for half or more than half the metal garbage we get around this city.
Heads Up: Beethoven's Ninth is playing in June.
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Chasm / Re: Nationalism?
« on: October 19, 2009, 05:03:01 AM »
" it is possible to disagree a little bit with that nation, but if you were to truly think for yourself and understand every aspect of their shortcomings, you would eventually come to lose your sense of pride. the tendency to turn a blind eye and not question the group is a basic human instinct, it aids in survival and therefor a deep part of our nature (for most people anyway)"
I wonder how much of a blind eye people would be willing to turn if there nation was aiming towards something or if it had a goal.....I think one can totally think for oneself and understand and forgive what are percieved as shortcomings in that state, if one is able to justify doing so due on the basis of a societal goal , although this may not be true for everyone.......interesting
I wonder how much of a blind eye people would be willing to turn if there nation was aiming towards something or if it had a goal.....I think one can totally think for oneself and understand and forgive what are percieved as shortcomings in that state, if one is able to justify doing so due on the basis of a societal goal , although this may not be true for everyone.......interesting
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Chasm / Re: Nietzsche's Moral and Political Philosophy
« on: October 18, 2009, 11:36:26 PM »
Im curious to know what you believe Nietzsche's world view to be?
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Chasm / Gordian Knot Tab
« on: October 17, 2009, 05:24:07 AM »
Although a discussion on Gordian Knot would be great,i was wondering if anyone could help me with the guitar solo on rivers dancing from their debut album. Im a pretty new guitarist relatively speaking, and i usually dont like long winded solo's and unless they make sense in the context of the song, but i find practicing solo's good for technique and this solo is pretty relevant. Any help on where i could find a tab, or tips would be great
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Chasm / Re: Nietzsche's Moral and Political Philosophy
« on: October 17, 2009, 04:59:35 AM »
"Finally someone who seems to have something to say here. Are you suggesting that there are practical political implications of Nietzsche pluralistic statements applicable to society at large? Norms that would go beyond the distinction of Nietzsche's own opinions and his radical questioning of truth that is his contribution to the history of western thought dominant in Nietzsche scholarship today? (Thinking of Berkowitz, Warren and Kaufmann) If yes, what are these and further, why are they relevant to underground metal? You have to remember, Nietzsche had contempt for even Wagner? Do you think he would have cared for Havohej or Ildjarn? But again, those were merely Nietzsche's opinions, thus I have no objection to said bands. This is the core question I am putting to the site, for what its worth. 'Just out of interest since I spent quite some of my own time absorb in these topics."
I apologize but I find the above slightly convoluted-could you please clarify what you are asking exactly?
Political implications? Nietzsche's thought or vision of society is apolitical because it's constitution is organic, a result of nature. Castes are organic stamps of the laws of nature...thus i am unsure whether they,castes, constitute a political entity per se,especially in the modern sense- (see above qoutes from the antichrist).Nietzsche seemed less concerned with politics, than with having a society that reflected reality (ie. regarding rank, ability etc). Those at the highest level were those who could see perfection in everything, even the ugly,destructive and hideous. I believe this outlook is common to most Hessian's (i use the word Hessian contra Metal-Head) or at least strived for amongst most, thus giving many a spiritual outlook superior to most. Here we have a denial of the dualism inherent in xtianity that both Nietzsche and metal fight against, because it does an injustice to reality,and those forces that combined bring about beauty, another sought after parallel?
An interesting question but does it matter if Nietzsche would have liked havohej? I think he may have been able to understand the spirit of the band, but not like the music, although whether or not he would have revelled in the extreme blasphemy of said band remains dubious, or rather up for debate....
I apologize but I find the above slightly convoluted-could you please clarify what you are asking exactly?
Political implications? Nietzsche's thought or vision of society is apolitical because it's constitution is organic, a result of nature. Castes are organic stamps of the laws of nature...thus i am unsure whether they,castes, constitute a political entity per se,especially in the modern sense- (see above qoutes from the antichrist).Nietzsche seemed less concerned with politics, than with having a society that reflected reality (ie. regarding rank, ability etc). Those at the highest level were those who could see perfection in everything, even the ugly,destructive and hideous. I believe this outlook is common to most Hessian's (i use the word Hessian contra Metal-Head) or at least strived for amongst most, thus giving many a spiritual outlook superior to most. Here we have a denial of the dualism inherent in xtianity that both Nietzsche and metal fight against, because it does an injustice to reality,and those forces that combined bring about beauty, another sought after parallel?
An interesting question but does it matter if Nietzsche would have liked havohej? I think he may have been able to understand the spirit of the band, but not like the music, although whether or not he would have revelled in the extreme blasphemy of said band remains dubious, or rather up for debate....
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Chasm / Re: Nietzsche's Moral and Political Philosophy
« on: October 17, 2009, 04:20:41 AM »
Alas,i found it.......
From the Antichrist:
"The order of castes, the surpreme,dominant law, is merely the sanctionof a natural order, a natural lawfulnes of the first rank, over which no
arbitrariness, no 'modern idea' has any power. In every healthy society there are three types which condition each other and gravitate differently phsiologically....Nature, not Manu, distinguishes the pre-eminently spiritual ones"
and
"'The world is perfect-thus says the instinct of the most spiritual, the Yes-saying instinct; "imperfection, whatever is beneath us, distance,the pathos of distance-even the chandala still belongs to this perfection"
"They rule not because they want to but because they are;they are not free to be second"
"The order of castes, the order of rank,merely formulates the highest laws of life; the seperation of the three types is neccessary for the preservation of society, to make possible the higher and the highest types..."
All from the Anti-Chrsit
Misinterpretation of The Laws of Manu and Eastern texts aside (a misinterpretation? or a higher one?) Nietzche seems to have drawn his conclusions not solely out of a text but out of his own life, experiences, history and subsequent interpretations thereof.....
Ancient Order and Ancient Spirit.....
From the Antichrist:
"The order of castes, the surpreme,dominant law, is merely the sanctionof a natural order, a natural lawfulnes of the first rank, over which no
arbitrariness, no 'modern idea' has any power. In every healthy society there are three types which condition each other and gravitate differently phsiologically....Nature, not Manu, distinguishes the pre-eminently spiritual ones"
and
"'The world is perfect-thus says the instinct of the most spiritual, the Yes-saying instinct; "imperfection, whatever is beneath us, distance,the pathos of distance-even the chandala still belongs to this perfection"
"They rule not because they want to but because they are;they are not free to be second"
"The order of castes, the order of rank,merely formulates the highest laws of life; the seperation of the three types is neccessary for the preservation of society, to make possible the higher and the highest types..."
All from the Anti-Chrsit
Misinterpretation of The Laws of Manu and Eastern texts aside (a misinterpretation? or a higher one?) Nietzche seems to have drawn his conclusions not solely out of a text but out of his own life, experiences, history and subsequent interpretations thereof.....
Ancient Order and Ancient Spirit.....
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Metal / Re: Fugue in Metal
« on: October 10, 2009, 04:03:34 PM »
Perhaps rather than write in fugue form, metal musicians should train themselves in the various forms and techniques and write, use and adapt this knowledge to metal in such a way as to make metal more expressive, or clearer? I would agree with some of the other writers that metal does not directly adopt classical forms and all the better, however knowledge of form and technique can only help metal if it is incorporated properly, and with an eye to the tradition of metal.
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Chasm / Re: Nietzsche's Moral and Political Philosophy
« on: October 09, 2009, 03:59:20 PM »
In reference to Nietzsche wanting to restore ancient order:
Although i do not have my copy of the "Anti-christ" handy i am fairly certain that Nietzsche explicitly advocates the Caste system, and seems to hint that the goal for man should be to develop higher castes.......
This certainly seems like Ancient order to me......
Although i do not have my copy of the "Anti-christ" handy i am fairly certain that Nietzsche explicitly advocates the Caste system, and seems to hint that the goal for man should be to develop higher castes.......
This certainly seems like Ancient order to me......
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Metal / Re: Utterly consistent bands
« on: October 09, 2009, 05:10:36 AM »
I would definetely havee to go with Immolation and Summoning, perhaps Master should be added to this list!
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Metal / All Shall Fall
« on: October 07, 2009, 07:02:45 PM »
Has anyone heard the new Immortal? Any thoughts? Or do we have another turd of a reunion?
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Metal / Re: Fugue in Metal
« on: October 07, 2009, 04:23:43 AM »
Obviously this thread isnt getting any responses. Assumption- it is not used?
I have yet to hear a metal band conciously make extensive use of the fugue proper,although i think it could be utilized and possibly represent the future, or A future course for metal. However, the aesthetic of metal might make this difficult. Any thoughts or forseen difficulties in synthesizing metal theory and fugue's?
I have yet to hear a metal band conciously make extensive use of the fugue proper,although i think it could be utilized and possibly represent the future, or A future course for metal. However, the aesthetic of metal might make this difficult. Any thoughts or forseen difficulties in synthesizing metal theory and fugue's?
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Metal / Re: Metal as European Romanticism
« on: October 05, 2009, 04:16:43 AM »
I always worry that romanticism will descend into blind worship of the past and over emotionalism. To what extent do true hessians and metal bands need to be wary of this possibility? Does romanticism lend itself to these things or pave the way or i am i completely off the mark? If it does how can this revelation be applied to metal today,understanding the evolution,or rather stagnation of metal, as a degeneration of the true romantic spirit into emotionalism and "everything was better in past",woe is me......