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Messages - Tancred Hauteville

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Interzone / Re: Nietzsche's Moral and Political Philosophy
« on: October 18, 2009, 11:36:26 PM »
Im curious to know what you believe Nietzsche's world view to be?

Interzone / Gordian Knot Tab
« on: October 17, 2009, 05:24:07 AM »
Although a discussion on Gordian Knot would be great,i was wondering if anyone could help me with the guitar solo on rivers dancing from their debut album. Im a pretty new guitarist relatively speaking, and i usually dont like long winded solo's and unless they make sense in the context of the song, but i find practicing solo's good for technique and this solo is pretty relevant. Any help on where i could find a tab, or tips would be great

Interzone / Re: Nietzsche's Moral and Political Philosophy
« on: October 17, 2009, 04:59:35 AM »
"Finally someone who seems to have something to say here. Are you suggesting that there are practical political implications of Nietzsche pluralistic statements applicable to society at large?  Norms that would go beyond the distinction of Nietzsche's own opinions and his radical questioning of truth that is his contribution to the history of western thought dominant in Nietzsche scholarship today? (Thinking of Berkowitz, Warren and Kaufmann) If yes, what are these and further, why are they relevant to underground metal? You have to remember, Nietzsche had contempt for even Wagner? Do you think he would have cared for Havohej or Ildjarn? But again, those were merely Nietzsche's opinions, thus I have no objection to said bands. This is the core question I am putting to the site, for what its worth. 'Just out of interest since I spent quite some of my own time absorb in these topics."

I apologize  but I find the above slightly convoluted-could you please clarify what you are asking exactly?

Political implications? Nietzsche's thought or vision of society is apolitical because it's constitution is organic, a result of nature. Castes are organic stamps of the laws of nature...thus i am unsure whether they,castes, constitute a political entity per se,especially in the modern sense- (see above qoutes from the antichrist).Nietzsche seemed less concerned with politics, than with having a society that reflected reality (ie. regarding rank, ability etc). Those at the highest level were those who could see perfection in everything, even the ugly,destructive and hideous. I believe this outlook is common to most Hessian's (i use the word Hessian contra Metal-Head) or at least strived for amongst most, thus giving many a spiritual outlook superior to most. Here we have a denial of the dualism inherent in xtianity that both Nietzsche and metal fight against, because it does an injustice to reality,and those forces that combined bring about beauty, another sought after parallel?

An interesting question but does it matter if Nietzsche would have liked havohej? I think he may have been able to understand the spirit of the band, but not like the music, although whether or not he would have revelled in the extreme blasphemy of said band remains dubious, or rather up for debate....

Interzone / Re: Nietzsche's Moral and Political Philosophy
« on: October 17, 2009, 04:20:41 AM »
Alas,i found it.......

From the Antichrist:

"The order of castes, the surpreme,dominant law, is merely the sanctionof a natural order, a natural lawfulnes of the first rank, over which no
arbitrariness, no 'modern idea' has any power. In every healthy society there are three types which condition each other and gravitate differently phsiologically....Nature, not Manu, distinguishes the pre-eminently spiritual ones"


"'The world is perfect-thus says the instinct of the most spiritual, the Yes-saying instinct; "imperfection, whatever is beneath us, distance,the pathos of distance-even the chandala still belongs to this perfection"

"They rule not because they want to but because they are;they are not free to be second"

"The order of castes, the order of rank,merely formulates the highest laws of life; the seperation of the three types is neccessary for the preservation of society, to make possible the higher and the highest types..."

All from the Anti-Chrsit

Misinterpretation of The Laws of Manu and Eastern texts aside (a misinterpretation? or a higher one?) Nietzche seems to have drawn his conclusions not solely out of a text but out of his own life, experiences, history and subsequent interpretations thereof.....

Ancient Order and Ancient Spirit.....

Metal / Re: Fugue in Metal
« on: October 10, 2009, 04:03:34 PM »
Perhaps rather than write in fugue form, metal musicians should train themselves in the various forms and techniques and write, use  and adapt this knowledge to metal in such a way as to make metal more expressive, or clearer? I would agree with some of the other writers that metal does not directly adopt classical forms and all the better, however knowledge of form and technique can only help metal if it is incorporated properly, and with an eye to the tradition of  metal.

Interzone / Re: Nietzsche's Moral and Political Philosophy
« on: October 09, 2009, 03:59:20 PM »
In reference to Nietzsche wanting to restore ancient order:

Although i do not have my copy of the "Anti-christ" handy i am fairly certain that Nietzsche explicitly advocates the Caste system, and seems to hint that the goal for man should be to develop higher castes.......

This certainly seems like Ancient order to me......

Metal / Re: Utterly consistent bands
« on: October 09, 2009, 05:10:36 AM »
I would definetely havee to go with Immolation and Summoning, perhaps Master should be added to this list!

Metal / All Shall Fall
« on: October 07, 2009, 07:02:45 PM »
Has anyone heard the new Immortal? Any thoughts? Or do we have another turd of a reunion?

Metal / Re: Fugue in Metal
« on: October 07, 2009, 04:23:43 AM »
Obviously this thread isnt getting any responses. Assumption- it is not used?

I have yet to hear a metal band conciously make extensive use of the fugue proper,although i think it could be utilized and possibly represent the future, or A future course for metal. However, the aesthetic of metal might make this difficult. Any thoughts or forseen difficulties in synthesizing metal theory and fugue's?

Metal / Re: Metal as European Romanticism
« on: October 05, 2009, 04:16:43 AM »
I always worry that romanticism will descend into blind worship of the past and over emotionalism. To what extent do true hessians and metal bands need to be wary of this possibility? Does romanticism lend itself to these things or pave the way or i am i completely off the mark? If it does how can this revelation be applied to metal today,understanding the evolution,or rather stagnation of metal, as a degeneration of the true romantic spirit into emotionalism and "everything was better in past",woe is me......

Metal / Fugue in Metal
« on: October 02, 2009, 05:31:55 AM »
Im curiuos to know if anyone can direct me to any metal that has made extensive use of the fugue proper?

Metal / Montaigne and Death Metal
« on: September 30, 2009, 04:51:23 PM »
"There is no place where death cannot find us"- Montaigne

 recently started writing an essay concerning Montaigne and Death Metal,looking for parallels between the two philosophies, this is the very beggining (a rough draft):

In the essay entitled “To learn to philosophize is to learn how to die”, Montaigne like good death metal confronts death and reality and thus comes to express certain essential truths regarding both. Montaigne begins his Essay by asserting first that all philosophy teaches us how to die, that the inevitability of death is such that it is essential to all existence and is thus the truly pre-emptive concern of philosophy. Although reason and virtue, things usually and justly associated with the practice and outcome of philosophy, impart upon their practitioner the highest degree of pleasure, the excersise of both leads to “a contempt for death”. The result of this contempt for death? A “means of furnishing our life with easy tranquility, of giving us a pure and friendly taste for it”. -

In order to round out the article i was hoping to accumulate some opionions here concerning the philosophy of death metal that i could reproduce in the article when it has been completed.

Two questions for Hessians:

1. What is the philosophy of death metal?
2. Why do you listen to death metal?

Thanks for your time

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