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Metal / Dead Can Dance - 2012 Setlist
« on: August 24, 2012, 04:12:02 PM »
I just saw Dead can Dance last night. I was extremely dissapoined with there set-list. I believe they played 1 song from there first 5 records. Those of you attending any of there upcoming concerts, please keep this in mind. Although they were fantastic live, and they are talented musicians, I was absolutely dumbstruck by their setlist. Has anyone else seen them live yet?
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Metal / Solstice - New Dark Age
« on: August 14, 2012, 01:57:42 AM »
A reliable source recently recommended this to me. Upon initial listen I was sceptical but upon further listen I have come to appreciate this album for what it is, namely epic, doom-Laden heavy metal........it knows what it is and works within the genres orthodox framework. Any other thoughts on this band?
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Chasm / Re: Jonathan Bowden: Dead
« on: July 02, 2012, 10:50:39 PM »
exactly what I had posted in the brackets......
That video has been taken down BTW.
That video has been taken down BTW.
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Chasm / Re: Metal and traditionalism?
« on: May 28, 2012, 08:33:56 PM »
Meister Eckhart made the claim that the more one blasphemes God the more honour they accord him.
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Metal / Re: Where to buy it?
« on: May 20, 2012, 02:31:54 PM »
FYI: I ordered my copy of the new Lord Wind from Wolftyr and did not have a problem.
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Chasm / Re: Jonathan Bowden: Dead
« on: May 20, 2012, 02:21:56 PM »
Ya, I had never heard any of his speeches before some of them were posten on the VOR network. He was very intriguing and was refreshingly knowledgeable in the subtleties of western culture. He claimed that Julius Evola was a self described "Catholic Pagan", although I have yet to come across that in any of Evola's texts. Bowden also had some interesting ideas concerning religion, although they appear superficial when compared to his otherwise impressive erudition (I belive he once referred to himself as spiritual but not religious, and claimed that spiritual experiences are merely the result of heightened emotion). I was also impressed with his ability to analyze WWII from a sober and "objective" perspective.....his art on the other hand is an area I have yet to explore.....
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Metal / Re: Goreaphobia
« on: April 06, 2012, 10:08:49 PM »
hahahaha, that is an AMAZING video!
Why do bands release shit like that? Absolutely terrible!
Why do bands release shit like that? Absolutely terrible!
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Metal / Re: Hessian Lifestyles
« on: April 04, 2012, 10:05:57 PM »
Family (men find fullfillment in being a good father and loyal husband) - Job (to support your family, as men we find much fullfillment in this also) - Workout - Attend Traditional Latin Mass when possible (it is a link to the Traditions of my forefathers) - Shoot Arrows (do I need to explain this?) - Build shields - Read meaningful texts - Listen to Music
If I may: there is not such thing as an honest dissenter - succeed first - destroy and recreate from within...
Onwards......
If I may: there is not such thing as an honest dissenter - succeed first - destroy and recreate from within...
Onwards......
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Metal / Re: Good electronic music
« on: March 17, 2012, 05:14:03 AM »
Electronic related:
Cocteau Twins - Garlands
Girls Under Glass - Humus
Perhaps aesthetically dated and not really pure electronic but perhaps worth listening to for some of you.....
Cocteau Twins - Garlands
Girls Under Glass - Humus
Perhaps aesthetically dated and not really pure electronic but perhaps worth listening to for some of you.....
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Metal / Re: Rob Darken: Hessian
« on: March 04, 2012, 02:48:53 AM »
As per the original sin argument:
-That a notion was popular does not necessarily mean it was promulgated by the Church. Dualism is easy to fall into......
-The notion that the flesh is inherently evil is ludicrous given the fact that Christ took the form of human flesh. This is basic catechism.
In fact, this argument was used to dub the Cathar's as a heretical sect.
- The authour of your qoute has already pre-supposed that original sin = flesh is evil. Original sin refers to the the disposition of a man's soul, left to his own devices and without the "grace of God" he will descend into chaos, much the same way that any closed system tends towards disorder. Vile does not mean inherently evil, it is a stretch on behalf of that authour to suppose that. To use the word Vile is meant only to elevate the glorious body of Christ above our own body, which while not inherently evil, is perhaps vile in contrast to the Son of God's, this does not imply dualism but rather how far we have to go before we took can be tranformed "into another Christ Jesus, for the glory of the father, and the Salvation of the world".
- Moreover, the book of common prayer is Anglican and only first appears around 1549.
- If the fleshly vehicle was inherently evil there would be no chance of attaining the beatific vision here on earth. Yet, this is possible. Again this is basic cathechism, whether explicity stated or not.
As for a lost place:
I disagree, man has a fundamental longing to rediscover a golden age (place), whether this corresponds to an actual physical reality or not is irrelevant. There is significance in the longing, what does it signify? Perhaps it corresponds to an inherent ideal man has for himself and his fellow man. The Atlantean rhetoric is a device Darken uses to stimulate a person's mythic imagination, but actually corresponds to an attainable state of being. You would do yourself a favour to not take the device so literally, your pessimism and cynicism is blocking your capacity to be philosophically charitable.
-That a notion was popular does not necessarily mean it was promulgated by the Church. Dualism is easy to fall into......
-The notion that the flesh is inherently evil is ludicrous given the fact that Christ took the form of human flesh. This is basic catechism.
In fact, this argument was used to dub the Cathar's as a heretical sect.
- The authour of your qoute has already pre-supposed that original sin = flesh is evil. Original sin refers to the the disposition of a man's soul, left to his own devices and without the "grace of God" he will descend into chaos, much the same way that any closed system tends towards disorder. Vile does not mean inherently evil, it is a stretch on behalf of that authour to suppose that. To use the word Vile is meant only to elevate the glorious body of Christ above our own body, which while not inherently evil, is perhaps vile in contrast to the Son of God's, this does not imply dualism but rather how far we have to go before we took can be tranformed "into another Christ Jesus, for the glory of the father, and the Salvation of the world".
- Moreover, the book of common prayer is Anglican and only first appears around 1549.
- If the fleshly vehicle was inherently evil there would be no chance of attaining the beatific vision here on earth. Yet, this is possible. Again this is basic cathechism, whether explicity stated or not.
As for a lost place:
I disagree, man has a fundamental longing to rediscover a golden age (place), whether this corresponds to an actual physical reality or not is irrelevant. There is significance in the longing, what does it signify? Perhaps it corresponds to an inherent ideal man has for himself and his fellow man. The Atlantean rhetoric is a device Darken uses to stimulate a person's mythic imagination, but actually corresponds to an attainable state of being. You would do yourself a favour to not take the device so literally, your pessimism and cynicism is blocking your capacity to be philosophically charitable.
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Metal / Re: Rob Darken: Hessian
« on: March 03, 2012, 04:48:28 PM »
Thanks for the response NHA!
-Darken is pre-supposing that his listeners and readers are familiar with Traditionalist thought ala Evola, Guenon and Schuon. You on the other hand come from a different school of thought and from reading your input it word appear you agree with the historical materialistic dialectic espoused by Marx, and the Freudian and later militant atheist notion that religion is simply the result of fear and is therefore puerile. I am assuming that you are currently enroled in a state college or university?
- In Darken's defence he at least uses the word Truth and puts himself in a position where he has to defend something versus the tired "everything is relative", "there is no truth" position which is inherently flawed and self contraditory.
-Materialism is a strong force and so is fear, we may summarize this as simply "egoism". All Traditions start at this point and try to raise man above his own ego so that he may gain greater insight into the nature of reality and his place therein. This is true Religion or Tradition (ie. a symbolic language that describes reality) and seems to be more akin to what Darken is saying. As for the Medieval Catholic Church, one can also say that there are no shortages of individuals who did the exact opposite of hypocritically using spirituality solely for the material gain it would provide (ie. Savonnarola, the Desert Father and countless Saints)
- The Catholic Church also condemned the Cathars because they considered all material manifestation evil, including children. Somehow pointing out that the Cathars condemned the Church for being to materialistic is ludicrous because they considered there hands to be to materialistic. If any form of spirituality would be alienating it would be one that creates a false dichotomy between the spiritual and material. The Church and secular society also condemned the Cathar's because they did not believe in taking oaths, or abiding by contacts. Contracts and oaths were of course the foundation of Medieval society (a time when someone's word meant something).
- Darken is not saying that there is a dichotomy between material and spiritual, this is a false dichotomy that others have read into what he is saying.
-Darken is not saying that we should destroy all technology, this is something that you have read into his statement. What he appears to be implying is that we cannot continue forward putting our blind faith in the saving graces of technology. Technology must be tempered by wisdom and when it is not it becomes destructive and begins to control us. Instead Darken wants people to turn to the past and rediscover the lost wisdom of there forefathers and apply the lessons to our modern context (this is the fundamental message of Darken and anyone who cannot see this is missing the forest for the trees). Is this silly? Not if time does not exist, or time is spherical as many New Right thinkers believe.
- As for Savonarola? Consider:
"Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried. ~ Gilbert Chesterton
Chesterton must have failed to consider Girolamo Savonarola when he penned that line. First of all, there is no merit in a religion that is not worth trying. Second, every path is difficult, from the yoga path of Patanjali, to the eightfold path of Buddha, even the Old Religion. In all of them, there is devotion, duty, action, and wisdom. Only an egalitarian thinks that everyone must succeed the same way. Isn’t that why we honor our Saints, Heroes, and Sages because some excel and point the way?
I won’t repeat the history of Savanorola’s rise to be Capo of Florence; those unfamiliar with that piece of history can easily look it up. In brief, Savanorola passed up the “easy life” in his father’s business. The bourgeois life of family and property had no appeal to him; but tradition did, so he chose the path of a Dominican monk. Driven by an intransigent piety, he was unaffected by the lures of money, sex, and power, much like Dostoyevsky’s idiot Prince. He was blessed [plagued?] with apocalyptic visions [hallucinations?] which came from God. These were the source of his power and his torment.
Initially, he did not stand out, but over time he became known for his devoutness and he attracted a devoted following to his fiery and inspiring sermons. A series of events including the death of Lorenzo de Medici, the invasion from France and the rebellion of Pisa led to a power vacuum which he was called upon to fill. Although Florence was at the peak of its economic power and the center of the intellectual Renaissance, this return to a Medieval cast of mind still appealed to a large portion of the public. As a sort of priest-king, he outlawed usury, made sodomy a capital crime (causing many in the upper crust to flee), and engaged roving street gangs to enforce moral codes. He is most known for the Bonfire of the Vanities, where citizens were encouraged to rid themselves of secular, sinful and vain items.
Was this truly the difficult Christian life Chesterton described? If so, was it truly that much different from life in the Ancient City? Evola regarded Savonarola as the last attempt of the ancient Aryan-Roman spirit to reassert itself amidst the decadence of the humanism of the Renaissance".
No wonder no one liked him, he held people to a higher standard. Does this sounds familiar?
All in all, it sounds to me like Darken's ideas are relevant, or at least thought provoking. However, I am just a Darken fanboy seeking after supernatural abilities........;0)
-Darken is pre-supposing that his listeners and readers are familiar with Traditionalist thought ala Evola, Guenon and Schuon. You on the other hand come from a different school of thought and from reading your input it word appear you agree with the historical materialistic dialectic espoused by Marx, and the Freudian and later militant atheist notion that religion is simply the result of fear and is therefore puerile. I am assuming that you are currently enroled in a state college or university?
- In Darken's defence he at least uses the word Truth and puts himself in a position where he has to defend something versus the tired "everything is relative", "there is no truth" position which is inherently flawed and self contraditory.
-Materialism is a strong force and so is fear, we may summarize this as simply "egoism". All Traditions start at this point and try to raise man above his own ego so that he may gain greater insight into the nature of reality and his place therein. This is true Religion or Tradition (ie. a symbolic language that describes reality) and seems to be more akin to what Darken is saying. As for the Medieval Catholic Church, one can also say that there are no shortages of individuals who did the exact opposite of hypocritically using spirituality solely for the material gain it would provide (ie. Savonnarola, the Desert Father and countless Saints)
- The Catholic Church also condemned the Cathars because they considered all material manifestation evil, including children. Somehow pointing out that the Cathars condemned the Church for being to materialistic is ludicrous because they considered there hands to be to materialistic. If any form of spirituality would be alienating it would be one that creates a false dichotomy between the spiritual and material. The Church and secular society also condemned the Cathar's because they did not believe in taking oaths, or abiding by contacts. Contracts and oaths were of course the foundation of Medieval society (a time when someone's word meant something).
- Darken is not saying that there is a dichotomy between material and spiritual, this is a false dichotomy that others have read into what he is saying.
-Darken is not saying that we should destroy all technology, this is something that you have read into his statement. What he appears to be implying is that we cannot continue forward putting our blind faith in the saving graces of technology. Technology must be tempered by wisdom and when it is not it becomes destructive and begins to control us. Instead Darken wants people to turn to the past and rediscover the lost wisdom of there forefathers and apply the lessons to our modern context (this is the fundamental message of Darken and anyone who cannot see this is missing the forest for the trees). Is this silly? Not if time does not exist, or time is spherical as many New Right thinkers believe.
- As for Savonarola? Consider:
"Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried. ~ Gilbert Chesterton
Chesterton must have failed to consider Girolamo Savonarola when he penned that line. First of all, there is no merit in a religion that is not worth trying. Second, every path is difficult, from the yoga path of Patanjali, to the eightfold path of Buddha, even the Old Religion. In all of them, there is devotion, duty, action, and wisdom. Only an egalitarian thinks that everyone must succeed the same way. Isn’t that why we honor our Saints, Heroes, and Sages because some excel and point the way?
I won’t repeat the history of Savanorola’s rise to be Capo of Florence; those unfamiliar with that piece of history can easily look it up. In brief, Savanorola passed up the “easy life” in his father’s business. The bourgeois life of family and property had no appeal to him; but tradition did, so he chose the path of a Dominican monk. Driven by an intransigent piety, he was unaffected by the lures of money, sex, and power, much like Dostoyevsky’s idiot Prince. He was blessed [plagued?] with apocalyptic visions [hallucinations?] which came from God. These were the source of his power and his torment.
Initially, he did not stand out, but over time he became known for his devoutness and he attracted a devoted following to his fiery and inspiring sermons. A series of events including the death of Lorenzo de Medici, the invasion from France and the rebellion of Pisa led to a power vacuum which he was called upon to fill. Although Florence was at the peak of its economic power and the center of the intellectual Renaissance, this return to a Medieval cast of mind still appealed to a large portion of the public. As a sort of priest-king, he outlawed usury, made sodomy a capital crime (causing many in the upper crust to flee), and engaged roving street gangs to enforce moral codes. He is most known for the Bonfire of the Vanities, where citizens were encouraged to rid themselves of secular, sinful and vain items.
Was this truly the difficult Christian life Chesterton described? If so, was it truly that much different from life in the Ancient City? Evola regarded Savonarola as the last attempt of the ancient Aryan-Roman spirit to reassert itself amidst the decadence of the humanism of the Renaissance".
No wonder no one liked him, he held people to a higher standard. Does this sounds familiar?
All in all, it sounds to me like Darken's ideas are relevant, or at least thought provoking. However, I am just a Darken fanboy seeking after supernatural abilities........;0)
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Metal / Re: Rob Darken: Hessian
« on: February 29, 2012, 10:04:55 PM »
I must say I am thoroughly enjoying the light heartedness and good will of all those commenting on this thread.....
NHA- it seems you have an uncanny ability....you seem unable to answer a question! Why are we not engaging in conversation to discover the merit of what Darken is saying. Are his ideas relevant? Has he discovered some inkling of truth?
You have shut down all possibiity of discussion by equating Darken with Gaga and assuming that those who engage with Darken are simply braindead fanboys, how is this productive?
NHA- it seems you have an uncanny ability....you seem unable to answer a question! Why are we not engaging in conversation to discover the merit of what Darken is saying. Are his ideas relevant? Has he discovered some inkling of truth?
You have shut down all possibiity of discussion by equating Darken with Gaga and assuming that those who engage with Darken are simply braindead fanboys, how is this productive?
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Metal / Re: Rob Darken: Hessian
« on: February 28, 2012, 10:54:43 PM »
So Rob Darken's statement are not relevant? Not even somewhat? I disagree, I think Rob's statements are relevant, although presented in a slightly sentimental manner. Is he an expert? Perhaps not, but that does not mean he has not discovered some inkling of truth.
I get the feeling you just disagree with Darken, thats fine, but why are you so hostile to the people that agree, or see some relevance in what he is saying? Is it because he is not qualified to make such statements? If so, by what means could Darken become qualified?
I get the feeling you just disagree with Darken, thats fine, but why are you so hostile to the people that agree, or see some relevance in what he is saying? Is it because he is not qualified to make such statements? If so, by what means could Darken become qualified?
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Metal / Re: Rob Darken: Hessian
« on: February 27, 2012, 10:16:06 PM »
So it is celebrity worship to take seriously the thoughts of a man who has no inluence in political/social philosophy (Darken)? Yet, it is not celebrity worship to take seriously the thoughts and ideas of someone simply because they are influential, but not neccessarily right (Marx)?
Rob Darken is a celebrity?
Rob Darken is a celebrity?
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Metal / Re: Rob Darken: Hessian
« on: February 26, 2012, 06:05:17 AM »
Is it the sentiment he expresses or the manner in which it is expressed that you dislike?