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Here is where I'm coming from on this:

Although I am the most elitist (and intelligence/heritable traits realist) person I know, I acknowledge that good information can come from just about anywhere.

A bum can do nothing productive his whole life, and have one good thought. After that, shoot him; it won't be repeated. But don't deny the thought because of the source (a sneaky form of ad hominem attack; it is separate from a source attack, which is leveled against a publication because it panders to an interest group or baser instincts).

I don't know HHH, nor do I expect he knows of or thinks well of me. However, I think he has brought to the forefront some topics that are worth discussing, whether we agree with him or not:

1. Transcendentalism in black metal
2. Nihilism in black metal
3. The incompatibility of nu-black (indie, shoegaze, drone, doom, punk mixed with black metal)
4. The necessity of academic study of black metal
5. The primal instinct in black metal

Whatever you think of the guy, these are topics we should be discussing, especially as HHH manages to piss off enough people to get people discussing this.

This thread is not a comment on HHH, and what I do or don't think about him -- that's for another (YouTube) thread, I'd guess.

Give respect to black metal, and keep these topics alive.

Interzone / Re: Progressive Rock
« on: June 16, 2011, 09:29:45 AM »
Most prog rock listeners would NOT consider these bands to be prog: Rush, Pink Floyd, Radiohead, Tool, Devin Townsend.

The term "progressive" tends to get thrown around a lot, but generally, it's not being used to mean anything other than "unconventional."

My attitude on this isn't a pro/con on Hunt-Hendrix, Liturgy, etc. The black metal symposium seemed like an interesting idea. They have raised valid points. We have an opportunity to either talk about these ideas, or not. Whether we like the people involved (or they like us) is irrelevant. Clothing does not make the hipster. Intent makes the hipster.

Whoever said "black metal was always transcendental" had a good point. I don't think I find meaning in Hunt-Hendrix's dichotomy between nihilistic and transcendental black metal. The whole point of black metal is that it is both transcendental and nihilistic, like the New Right (if we're honest about what all the good bands were on about) beliefs it tends to support. By nihilistic I mean it rejects inherent value in favor of experience. There is no inherent value to human life. There is only us making beauty of it, or making shit.

So far humanity has chosen the latter because it can't reign in its desires. I'm thinking about the scene from Until the Light Takes Us where Chris Vikernes is bemoaning the introduction of McDonald's, Coca-Cola and Levis to his pristine town. The corporations didn't do this to you; people being willing to buy this crap did this to you. Our modern society is based on a flat hierarchy, e.g. no kings/no gods/no masters. The result is that people behave like snorting pigs and then blame Jesus, money or Freemasonry for their problems.

But seriously, what's all the fascination / frustration with this dude?

He's bringing up some valid topics and he's doing so in a grand public style. Not sure what else is needed there.

Metal / Re: BEHERIT breaks silence, gives first interview since 1999
« on: June 15, 2011, 05:59:11 PM »
Beherit - At the Devil's Studio review

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At the Devils Studio attempts to take the early monolithic style and tweak it sonically to gain effect, and it does so by making a dark immersive world of hanging sheets of resonant sound, but it loses the sinister abstraction and aloofness of the second album.

[url=http://www.deathmetal.org/2011/beherit-at-the-devils-studio-1990]Beherit - [i]At the Devil's Studio 1990[/i] review with audio[/url]

Review by Steve Brettens.

Interzone / Re: Progressive Rock
« on: June 15, 2011, 05:01:26 PM »
Sorry for the pedophile link, but:


I heard this band in the movie Suspiria, which was kind of cool except that evil lost at the end (fuck). They have a neat ability to keep suspense and textural intensity over a long period of time.

Interzone / Re: Dungeon Synth
« on: June 15, 2011, 02:36:04 PM »
I find that the failure of much of what is deemed "ambient" music is due to the fact that the layered structure most often employed doesn't allow for more than one prime focus in each song.  Burzum is good because diverse sections of music are both built up and interlaced, thus giving strength to each other while reaching out to the fullest extent of their individual goals.

This is always the problem with rock-styled composition applied to electro-symphonic arrangements. Rock allows at best three simultaneous voices: guitars, bass, and voice. Some are with slower songs able to work in two guitars, but any more than that, and the piece becomes confused. Much of this has to do with the requirement for a constant drum-beat, and return to verse-chorus structure within 40 seconds or your audience spaces out.

Transcendental Black Metal, by Hunter Hunt-Hendrix (Liturgy)

Some good fodder here. Basically: rejection of nihilism through aesthetics is also rejection of the arc of counterculture.

Problem: indie rock took over black metal, not a transcendental genre.

Metal / Re: Why the 1990s were good for metal
« on: June 12, 2011, 09:29:23 PM »
As to why the millennials have not made quality metal:

This is a complex issue. The answer is not as simple as "millennials are turds."

Millennials, like Baby Boomers, grew up in a huge boom... in this case the dot-com debacle. They then turned to liberalism, having no other targets.

They never saw a world before total media immersion... the thought of people being only able to afford a black and white TV, and thus only having that, is alien to them.

They grew up in a time of easy money (fast loans) and expenditure on personal goods before worrying about essentials. A time of welfare, of bailouts, of make-work easy jobs (both union and not).

The type of epic conflict that 1970s, 1980s and 1990s music saw may be alien to them.

Last days of the new $oviet Republic...

Metal / Re: A universal symbol for "no review needed"
« on: June 12, 2011, 09:27:04 PM »

Now showing...

Metal / Re: Why the 1990s were good for metal
« on: June 12, 2011, 07:22:35 PM »
Yeah yeah I know, the 80's and 90's were fucking magical and the 21st century is crap and the new generation are all retards.

What reason will you come up with next for why all the young whippersnappers aren't nearly as cool as your generation?

At least you'll be able to ride the bus for free soon.

You're barking up the wrong tree. The point is that when commercial interest left metal alone, it did better, and that grunge/alternative was always a sell-out.

Interzone / Increasing vocabulary
« on: June 12, 2011, 04:39:10 PM »
People bitch like whores about our semi-extensive vocabulary here; then again, people bitch like whores about anything, because they think it makes them seem smart, important, etc.

The ANUS(tm) vocabulary would have been considered normal or even a bit vernacular 200 years ago. It would not have been considered challenging. If you want to know why we don't wimp out... that's one big reason. Never say "yo, go ahead" to entropy.

Here's one good resource for building your vocabulary the easy way: A Word a Day (AWAD) from Wordsmith.org.

For over a decade, this list has mailed out a new word every day, most of them useful in conversation....


I recommend this to anyone wanting to build up a vocabulary.

Metal / Re: RED STREAM RECORDS updates and sale information
« on: June 12, 2011, 04:33:05 PM »
Order these and more at www.redstream.org

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