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Metal / Id
« on: September 17, 2010, 05:06:52 PM »
I read an old post here where one moderator advised a guy to listen to classical music with his Id, wich is mathematical.

That made me think about the relation between music and philosophy. The advice he gave helped me a bit, from what I understood it is the musical equivalent of religions who tell us to disregard the material things in favor of spiritual ones. I never read plato, but from what I read about him here in ANUS it is similar to his pure world of toughts. There is like a brain who receives the sounds and another that converts the sounds into a philosophical, kind of mathematical experience.

Metal songs are sensual, but they are better interpreted mathematically?

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Interzone / UG Krishnamurti
« on: September 06, 2010, 03:26:48 PM »
Anyone heard of this guy? He says some pretty interesting things

http://www.ugkrishnamurti.net/

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Interzone / The problem Of Consciousness In The Un-Divine View
« on: August 19, 2010, 04:50:36 PM »
I'm not a guy of much culture about biology, sciences in general. But I do know scientists are smart guys who discovered a lot of things we didn't knew and proved themselves right trought experiments and the inventions we use. The majority of them, I believe, think that the world is only matter and we're biological machines. I see nothing wrong with materialism, after all, from what I know the scientists proved all came from hydrogen and whatever, altought they tought the atom couldn't be divised anymore, they discovered themselves wrong. Maybe there are even more invisible stuff. But to what extent are we only machines?

After analyzing the question of matter and ourselves and our conscious selves, I can't help but ask this: What is consciousness? How can matter be organized in a way that not only do we perceive the external world but also feel it (different from a robot, or does anyone believes that a robot made to act like a human really is "feeling" something?)? How to explain things like the taste of food, and I do not mean the experience of a living being eating something, the brain judging it as good so it goes on eating, and if it was judged as bad to stop eating, but to feel the flavor. Or even more sutil things like the feeling of listening to great music, or love for humanity, etc. I don't think we could ever make robots who would have inside them the same stuff going on that we have, only respond in a similar manner to us to the external world.

I'm not even close to resting on the side of either science or religion. The science stuff I accept is mostly because a lot of people do and the scientists say so. But I'm inclined towards believing in science for the most, and many scientists believe we are like machines. But what IS pain? Yes, I'm sure they have an explanation for how pain happens, but what is it? What is feeling? Yes I know, electrical impulses in the brain or whatever. Now imagine your brain with all the electrical stuff making the neurons and other stuff work to present you with your view of reality, that seems reasonable right? But what is this view of reality? Or better yet, what is us? After all, even if reducing it to mere activity of the brain, we need and observer, right? Or not? The observer is the greatest mystery. Many materialists understand how the brain works, but how do the observer works? Many understand that we get a lot of pleasure after physical exercise (Btw people, don't forget to exercise, stay healthy) due to endorphins. But what IS the sensation caused by the endorphins? Can you describe it in purely materialistic terms?

On the other hand things like physical alterations on the brain changing human behavior drastically, with each area altered or damaged reacting on it's function makes me confused and not wanting to believe in spirits and "God".

Either all things have consciousness on some level, thus our selves being just a more advanced form of organized matter (wich has conscience in all atoms, since all things have consciousness) or consciousness is a miracle, altought a miracle that can be damaged by altering the brain.

Please explain your view, especially if you're Theist or agree that we are biological machines and nothing more. Agnostics will just agree with my doubt and uncertainty

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Metal / Do you value content over appearence?
« on: August 15, 2010, 01:41:28 AM »
If so, would you consider that it is possible, since what matters is the essence, that good hip hop could be made that is at the same level of good metal, and above mediocre metal?

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Metal / Brazilian Anus
« on: August 14, 2010, 04:24:28 PM »

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Interzone / The supernatural: real or crap
« on: July 13, 2010, 06:34:06 PM »
The teachings of Madam Blavatsky are fascinating and so are her books. But what about her supernatural claims? I can accept writing in trance, astral projection, "enlightment", visions, a lot of things. But what about "materialization", telekinesis, telepathy, etc., abilities that she claimed to have. I'm starting to research the occult because even if the paranormal claims are false, it's a legitimate brain change body of techniques. Please, people who have researched the occult, write your toughts.

The guy who made the topic Occultism in metal: Please write about this for me (magic). You wrote things on that topic wich show that you believe that magic can alter the world (not just the mind).

Somehow this is very important for me to know. I'm very interested on the opinion of forum members. Devamitra, you seem to have researched those subjects, to what conclusion did you come: Can magic or other supernatural things alter the physical world?

Was blavatsky and others who claimed those powers only doing it to attract people to their philosophies?

I'm going to read Autobiography of a Yogi soon.

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Interzone / Help with old bill white website
« on: July 13, 2010, 05:53:04 PM »
This is a topic that can be deleted when the answer comes. There was a website by bill white, wich I believed is still archived on archive.org, that was his ploitical campaign website, he was running for mayor, or another job. I forgot the adress of the page, in it there was a description of the history of the world by him on wich he exposed his spiritual views, talked about atlantis, etc. I'm really interested in reading this as I am researching those subjects. If anyone knows the url, tell me

Thanks

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Interzone / Sushil_Yadav's Text
« on: July 07, 2010, 05:35:06 PM »
http://www.culturechange.org/industrial_mind.html

I bet a lot of people remember this. Extremely important text written by a guy who then started posting it everywhere. It's about how we are wrecking our minds with technologies who provide us with fast visuals, fast sounds, fast cars, etc.

Especially destructive are TV, the Internet, Mp3 Players, DVDs, Cell Phones.

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Interzone / Questions for ANUS staff
« on: July 06, 2010, 04:21:19 PM »
I tought it might be a good idea to start a topic for all the questions users might have relating to ANUS or ANUS philosophy, so people on the site administration can answer. Short questions that don't deserve a whole topic, I'll start:

1-Is the site for the mass extermination of mentally retarded people (down's syndrome, etc.)?

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Prince Charles yesterday urged the world to follow Islamic 'spiritual principles' in order to protect the environment.
In an hour-long speech, the heir to the throne argued that man's destruction of the world was contrary to the scriptures of all religions - but particularly those of Islam.
He said the current 'division' between man and nature had been caused not just by industrialisation, but also by our attitude to the environment - which goes against the grain of 'sacred traditions'.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1285332/Follow-Islamic-way-save-world-Charles-urges-environmentalists.html#ixzz0qZTpc1CP


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Interzone / The existence of spirits and other things
« on: May 27, 2010, 06:48:12 PM »
Do you think there is soul, magic, or spiritual realm (all at once, or just one of them?).

When I was a kid I was a christian, then when I was like 12 I started denying god, by 14 I denied him, became a "skeptic" but I was so young, didn't read much that my skeptcism was not well based. Anyway I tought scientists and skeptics were the people who knew what reality was all about and what it was not. Before thinking like that I was a little mystical, and I have enjoyed buddhism since my pre-teen. Some day I read a book on buddhism and was fascinated because it showed the world was made of particles and concepts like a chair is not really a chair but a bunch of wood etc. but it is also a chair. I was surprised when, many years after knowing ANUS.com, I re-read some parts of the book and saw Meister Eckhart (wich I tought I had seen first on ANUS, I did not know it was in the book I had read many years early) was mentioned on the book. That made me feel a little amazed, like I was on the right track, or chasing the same things in my life. Anyway I was curious about mysticism, reincarnation, spirits before denying it all.

But it was no good trying to repress that curiosity. It's all coming back now. One thing that helped me become a little more inclined to the spiritual thing is that I, with closed eyes and trying to concentrate, imagined myself with closed eyes and imagined not to be exactly leaving my body, but to extend my consciousness outside of it and as I was with my eyes closed, that outside realm was black. It's difficult to explain, but it was like a vast black world with only some clear part, wich was the narrow consciousness, my normal consciousness, perceiving only some part of reality, and with human concepts, the obscure reality being unhuman and full of entities or whatever. The important part of that for me was that I imagined not only myself looking at myself, but and extended unhuman world looking at a limited human vision, wich converted eveything to a more humane reality, wich is real, but not perfect in understanding, and in fact full of prejudices and things like worrying about survival or breathing or eyesight. I wish that actually happened but it was just a concept, imagination, and not a very vivid one. I am starting to read stuff from mystical sources like hermeticism, gnosicism and some other stuff.

Anyway, I believe 100% that people can attain enlightenment (a fact that does not need spirituality to exist), astral projection (I don't think people can actually leave their bodies, but I believe they experience it as if it was real) and that a lot of "spiritual" stuff really happens, it just may not be due to the causes that mystics speak.

Anyway, I'm not taking position anymore until I have had many experiences, and read many books. I just wish to  see what the people on the forum think, from what I know there are some hardcore no-spirituality people, and some mystics.

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But even if there is only neuron activity, I will never deny mysticism because it can be useful and it can be explained by the brain alone.

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Another thing that's not quite the subject here but I will not create another topic about it: Plants sensitivity. Do they possess sensitivity, feelings, or something similar? My biology teacher said no.

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One things that kind of makes me a little skeptical is how no one gained the prize that James Randi offered for proving any supernatural powers.

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Interzone / I have to ask this: Tough philosophical moral question
« on: May 25, 2010, 09:36:02 PM »
I have to ask this. How do the people on this forum cope with the chaos of the world, wich means any of us, our loved ones (parents, siblings, sons and daughters) can be killed at any moment or even worse, tortured for sadistic purposes of maniacs or bored people who decide to torture and kill for fun?

How to accept that terrible things can happen to valuable people, and worst, with innocent infants who had a long beaufitul life ahead? Sometimes I think how sad it would be if I died when I was younger, because I have a lot of stuff to experience. (I'm 19.)

It's tempting for me to believe in a force that makes the bad things happen because of incompetence or karma. Actually, I do believe this. I believe in karma from what you do, and also from what the ancestors did (the reality we have now is result of a lot of actions of the past, and a lot of those actions remain in memory, writing, pictures, etc.). But not ALL things follow the karma rule. Some things (that's what it seems like to me now) happens out of pure chaos. Or better yet, I do not believe in things happening for no reason. All things happen for a reason, just some of those things harm some humans extremely. Well, I think I just solved my own question. The world is one amoral thing and little children are going to die sometimes, and sometimes they will be tortured by maniacs, sometimes anally. Sometimes a guy can pick up your son (I don't have one, but I plan to), rape him anally, cum on his mouth, then kill him. That's the way it is

The question is how to cope with it. I think the best and most honest manner, the way that is most true to the reality we live in: Reality is multi-reality. That means, our reality is not the same as of the animals, of the plants, of the winds, or even of another person. But at the same time, it's the same reality. What is needed is for you to consider yourself what you are: A new person, a new life who never existed before, therefore you can only judge life by what happens in your life only. If I form a great family and die 80 years old with good financial condition then I love life, life is a great marvelous gift, and that will be my reality forever. Another human being, who forms a family and they all die in flames or some other tragedy due to bombing by the USA, will curse life, and they're both right, because their lifes are separate things, one was one's life, the other was the other's life, and they don't need to come to a consensus about life because it just wasn't made to work this way.

Your toughts?

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Metal / Funny fact about newbies in metal
« on: May 25, 2010, 07:39:36 PM »
A thing i've noticed is that a lot of times I seek simpler metal albums, because I'm still confused sometimes, at some albums and their "sound complexity". In the ANUS page Vijay Prozak responds about mutilator telling that while it's good, it was not as "complex" as sepultura. I became instantly interested in checking it out, and I liked the album I downloaded. It is really simpler. In my, like, 14teens, I was still thinking that black metal was a bunch of noises and some occasional whispering or screaming. But it was really the way the music sounded to me. I couldn't comprehend the sounds. There was no melody to me.

Slowly, but only with the help of cannabis, I began to understand. (on a note, I started listening to "black metal" [a mix of true black metal with dimmu borgir, cof, and other stuff] before starting to smoke. One band I really admired was Burzum, but I believed I felt the songs on a more subcontious level).

I enjoyed mutilator very much, but on the other hand, Atrocity Todfesnnehschust is a little bit harder (requires more attention)

I have to say, when I smoke cannabis I am able to graps all bands. This preference for simpler, more average (but no mediocre) metal, is when I do not smoke it. ANUS also influenced this outlook, because the bands considered the greatest were always the ones I found more "difficult".

Another album that's quite OK and easy to listen to, but great album: Rotting Christ's Non Serviam. Very good.

Anyone ever went througt this stage of wanting simpler metal just because the other stuff is too complex or challenging or whatever?


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Interzone / Are we really wrecking the planet?
« on: May 20, 2010, 06:41:27 PM »
I've discussed on the internet with mostly christian "right wing" individuals, neo-libera/neo-conservatives (whatever the hell those things actually are) from Brazil and they all, mostly based on the Bible I guess, favor indiscriminate expansion of humanity and of population. I couldn't get them to believe that it's OK to do some kind of population planning.

Do you think we're really commiting "ecocide", destroying our planet, or is it too strong and too big for us to do that? OR, conditions of life will remain somewhat normal with population increase but we will lose a lot of natural land and this upsets environmentalists? OR, will population stop growing and then decrease?

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Metal / Summoning - Depressive as hell
« on: April 27, 2010, 03:12:55 PM »
I know Summoning has epic songs, they pass the feeling of endurance, lord of the rings, epic tales, etc. But another side to Summoning's music that speaks to me: It's depressing as hell. Minas Morgul and Dol Guldur made me actually feel sad, sometimes. I'm yet to listen to Stronghold and Let..., so I don't know if it's on all albums.

I read the thread when Protector posted here, he is a very average minded, calm guy. I don't know about the other musician. He spoke against some views that ANUS members held, what I mean by this is, he may favor modern society, but that's not what his songs say. Besides from a desire of transcendence, that the epic songs display, there is also a very sad, depressive feeling. This shows that there can be a lot more going on inside people's mind that we might think.

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