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Chasm / Re: Favorite killer/serial killer
« on: December 12, 2012, 07:31:27 PM »
I think you are considering the sexual act as a purely reproductive reality and not considering the other functions, meanings and implications of its presence. You seem to also overlook birth control. I don't think I really agree with anything you said.
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Chasm / Re: Favorite killer/serial killer
« on: December 12, 2012, 07:49:00 AM »
What society can survive without prostitution? I know of none who have. Excess is another thing, of course.
About serial killers, it always "kills" me here how much people use excuses to endorse maniacs like serial killers, with the excuse that they may be contributing to cleaning society of degenerates. I mean, last time I checked degenerates were the ones who randomly killed and harmed people for their own selfish reasons (and sometimes those reasons hide behind "goals" too). People here are like "Oh, did you check out that new murderer who dropped a bomb and killed 400 people including children to make a statement about the rise of crime? It was great!"
About serial killers, it always "kills" me here how much people use excuses to endorse maniacs like serial killers, with the excuse that they may be contributing to cleaning society of degenerates. I mean, last time I checked degenerates were the ones who randomly killed and harmed people for their own selfish reasons (and sometimes those reasons hide behind "goals" too). People here are like "Oh, did you check out that new murderer who dropped a bomb and killed 400 people including children to make a statement about the rise of crime? It was great!"
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Chasm / Pop Music and Stupidity
« on: November 28, 2012, 11:28:14 AM »
I've read once that the middle is not good for speaking the truth. The truth is where the extremes meet. That's ok. But this is a move, it doesn't have to be this way all the time.
You will certainly find more idiots that listen to american pop music in a room than in a room where people listen to classical music. But in my opinion it's not useful to say that people that listen to inferior music are stupid, only because we all know intelligent people who do, including musicians themselves. For example, Ildjarn has already stated he can enjoy any type of music. The guy from Acerbus too, and many other artists that people here like listen to stuff that are shunned here.
That's not for the creators of the site, they already know this really well. It's for the people that may take this music stuff too seriously. A tune is a tune. You either like it or not.
That being said, I agree with the website, and probably most of the smartest people only listen to the good stuff and abhor the bad. And yes, you become what you listen I think, and metal truly is an escape from the karmic cycle while pop music imprisons you more and more on it. Pop music is like schizophrenic voices in your head these days, a mish-mash of infra-human elements that gets people thinking music is whatever combination of words and sounds that feels good when repeating a lot. (baby baby baby, etc.). In comparison with a good pop tune like Aha's Take On Me, you can see how bad a lot of today's songs are.
There are also songs that, composition-wise, are mediocre, but because of their aesthetics becomes interesting, like that new pop song "I am Titanium".
You will certainly find more idiots that listen to american pop music in a room than in a room where people listen to classical music. But in my opinion it's not useful to say that people that listen to inferior music are stupid, only because we all know intelligent people who do, including musicians themselves. For example, Ildjarn has already stated he can enjoy any type of music. The guy from Acerbus too, and many other artists that people here like listen to stuff that are shunned here.
That's not for the creators of the site, they already know this really well. It's for the people that may take this music stuff too seriously. A tune is a tune. You either like it or not.
That being said, I agree with the website, and probably most of the smartest people only listen to the good stuff and abhor the bad. And yes, you become what you listen I think, and metal truly is an escape from the karmic cycle while pop music imprisons you more and more on it. Pop music is like schizophrenic voices in your head these days, a mish-mash of infra-human elements that gets people thinking music is whatever combination of words and sounds that feels good when repeating a lot. (baby baby baby, etc.). In comparison with a good pop tune like Aha's Take On Me, you can see how bad a lot of today's songs are.
There are also songs that, composition-wise, are mediocre, but because of their aesthetics becomes interesting, like that new pop song "I am Titanium".
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Chasm / Re: Worthy of your time
« on: November 28, 2012, 11:23:18 AM »
You killed and cooked the animals?
How to dispose the human manure?
How to dispose the human manure?
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Metal / Re: Recommend me some Black Metal
« on: November 28, 2012, 11:21:22 AM »
Thanks for all the suggestons.
Just for the record I didn't necessarily mean melodical black metal or whatever, but something that was as amazing as it. But thanks, you're right, the best of is a good start. I have not explored it all on there.
Just for the record I didn't necessarily mean melodical black metal or whatever, but something that was as amazing as it. But thanks, you're right, the best of is a good start. I have not explored it all on there.
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Metal / Re: Recommend me some Black Metal
« on: November 25, 2012, 07:54:37 PM »
Good metal has this effect on me: It seems like it hits some kind of family archetype or something, but sadly I think a lot of it to me is connected to imagery: I don't think I would get the same feeling for this album if it weren't for the evocative cover art, remembering history from the past generations of our family tree, like dark gothic corridors and thoughts of the dark ages. If the cover art were multi-colored bunnies I think it would fuck up a bit of the experience. The music would still be great, of course.
As above, so below: I think metal musicians sometimes may put a lot of effort into imprinting landscapes/images in the sound itself, and make it. Some sounds just hit that archetype, you know, and you know you get the same, or a similar, feeling that the musician intended. Beyond music. It may not be exactly the same thing the musician felt, but that's nature I guess, variation, unending creativity.
Sadly, there is also the "epoch feel illusion": The 90's, for example, are a dear time to me. So when I hear something from the 90's this mechanism automatically makes me feel the 90's atmosphere (without me ever having listened to the song in the 90's). Of course, if the song is from the 90's it probably manifests this atmosphere anyway, so the illusion only acts like a filter, adding memories from that epoch on top of the fact that the record already has the feeling/atmosphere of that epoch. I guess people who lived the 80's would understand what I say more about the 80's.
As above, so below: I think metal musicians sometimes may put a lot of effort into imprinting landscapes/images in the sound itself, and make it. Some sounds just hit that archetype, you know, and you know you get the same, or a similar, feeling that the musician intended. Beyond music. It may not be exactly the same thing the musician felt, but that's nature I guess, variation, unending creativity.
Sadly, there is also the "epoch feel illusion": The 90's, for example, are a dear time to me. So when I hear something from the 90's this mechanism automatically makes me feel the 90's atmosphere (without me ever having listened to the song in the 90's). Of course, if the song is from the 90's it probably manifests this atmosphere anyway, so the illusion only acts like a filter, adding memories from that epoch on top of the fact that the record already has the feeling/atmosphere of that epoch. I guess people who lived the 80's would understand what I say more about the 80's.
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Metal / Recommend me some Black Metal
« on: November 24, 2012, 05:43:06 PM »
Metal is a wonderful thing. I never really got all of metal at once, having a few lucky guesses which really struck a chord. I think I relate to the music on a more intuitive level and sadly, I can say the times I have best understood what the music is was when I smoked cannabis. I'm only saying this to be real.
So, I've been listening to a lot of Sacramentum's Far Away From The Sun and I think it's really top notch. From that level and style of appreciation, what other bands in the same majestic level would you recommend? I'm kind of starting over, as a total newbie on metal. But I'm already really familiar with burzum except the second album;
So, I've been listening to a lot of Sacramentum's Far Away From The Sun and I think it's really top notch. From that level and style of appreciation, what other bands in the same majestic level would you recommend? I'm kind of starting over, as a total newbie on metal. But I'm already really familiar with burzum except the second album;
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Chasm / Nihilism and the Mind
« on: November 21, 2012, 10:34:51 AM »
Nihilism here is defined as recognition that all value that seems external is actually derived from the mind. But nothing is said of the nature of the mind, of what it is, where it comes from, and how do those values enter the mind and become so solid.
Maybe prozak just wanted to be honest and only talk about what he knows, admitting there is no way, in his opinion, for man, at least in its current state, to know such things about the mind? Or does he think that the mind is merely a kind of biological machine so strong that it can relate concepts with extreme speed and intelligence, and from these concepts make more associations and even create new things, but having no fundamental reality outside the brain?
Maybe prozak just wanted to be honest and only talk about what he knows, admitting there is no way, in his opinion, for man, at least in its current state, to know such things about the mind? Or does he think that the mind is merely a kind of biological machine so strong that it can relate concepts with extreme speed and intelligence, and from these concepts make more associations and even create new things, but having no fundamental reality outside the brain?
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Metal / Re: 'One Man Metal' documentary -- Xasthur comes out the closet
« on: November 19, 2012, 09:13:15 AM »
For the record, I said I found all his albums in good taste, but obviously I can recognize that there is superior metal, like sacramentum's Far Away...
What happens is that I think me and the guy from Xasthur are so alike in many ways, his music is not even music to me, it's my own thoughts. I can recognize my own mind patterns in his music in a way that it is not even sound to me, it seems like myself, my mind working everyday, while walking down the street.
What happens is that I think me and the guy from Xasthur are so alike in many ways, his music is not even music to me, it's my own thoughts. I can recognize my own mind patterns in his music in a way that it is not even sound to me, it seems like myself, my mind working everyday, while walking down the street.
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Metal / Re: 'One Man Metal' documentary -- Xasthur comes out the closet
« on: November 17, 2012, 01:38:44 PM »
Yeah. But I bet the guys making fun of Malefic think Ildjarn is cool, therefore his lifestyle is good. We don't know if Malefic walks in forests or not. We know nothing of the guy really, to pretend to know something about him from this minuscule documentary is preposterous. But I bet it's Idljarn's agressive personality that will make people think he is the cool one. 
WAAAAAAGH!: What bands in a similar style then would you recommend? In the style of Xasthur, Burzum, and the slow songs of Krieg?
WAAAAAAGH!: What bands in a similar style then would you recommend? In the style of Xasthur, Burzum, and the slow songs of Krieg?
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Chasm / Re: This guy is a 'traditionalist' and he is a wanker...
« on: November 16, 2012, 11:17:05 AM »
Well Bill, I already said I'm not really trying to give reasons for anyone to believe anything. If anything, stay with your paradigm, is what I've said.
But life is like this: Sometimes there is no evidence. You could explain the beauty of a rose in a rainy wet day to a clinically depressed person, the person would only see annoying moisture and stupid pieces of petals forming a trivial shape. Both would be right. Why do we keep talking about subjective experience? Well, for one thing, because it is real too. And just as there is a "law" that makes you fall when you jump and makes you hurt when you get punched, the "laws" that make colors, taste, and feeling are no less real. In fact, to believe so would be un-scientific. There is no diminishing the subjective in favor of the external/objective: Both are real and sensed.
As for science, I've done nothing but agree with you on its value. But, there are also its flaws, example, for a long time, even after a lot of meteor showers, most scientists did not believe this phenomena was possible.
Every person that is involved in the occult or metaphysics that I've had the pleasure to ask about has confirmed the validity of paranormal phenomena. We can start with some reasonable assumptions about this: Either every person that gets involved in metaphysics becomes a liar or crazy, or some of them must be telling the truth.
The us government spent 20 years researching remote viewing. Do you think it takes more than 10 years of tests to determine if the stuff works or not?
I want Science too. But I came back to science with a new experience and a new view, a view that if I denied, I would be un-scientific.
I promised some stuff, articles, and quotes: I have given some, but not enough. I will refrain from further comments and start posting more articles for you, and I will send those quote I talked about in the PM. You can get a lot of out of the articles even from a psychological view. As I said, it is better if you stay with your views. With my previous post I was expressing this: Just as there are people who are born with the gift of music and others of construction, some are born inclined to cargest's views and others to yours. It would be unnatural trying to make you embrace his views.
There is some interesting information about Tibet and reality, about tantric inversion. Those guys did a lot of mysticism and magic, but they were also in tune with reality, you can see by their practices. To show they are not pussies and to show the unity and purity of all, they commited disgusting acts, like eating the rest of meat stuck in a woman's teeth, all with some crazy concepts behind it backing all those acts up.
"The Candamaharosana Tantra lists with relish the particular substances which are offered to the adept by his wisdom consort during the sexual magic rituals and which he must swallow: excrement, urine, saliva, leftovers from between her teeth, lipstick, dish-water, vomit, the wash water which remains after her anus has been cleaned (George, 1974, pp. 73, 78, 79) Those who “make the excrement and urine their food, will be truly happy”, promises the Guhyasamaja Tantra (quoted by Gäng, 1988, p. 134). In the Hevajra Tantra the adept must drink the menstrual blood of his mudra out of a skull bowl (Farrow and Menon, 1992, p. 98). But rotten fish, sewer water, canine feces, corpse fat, the excrement of the dead, sanitary napkins as well as all conceivable “intoxicating drinks” are also consumed (Walker, 1982, pp. 80–84).
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http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Part-1-04.htm
But life is like this: Sometimes there is no evidence. You could explain the beauty of a rose in a rainy wet day to a clinically depressed person, the person would only see annoying moisture and stupid pieces of petals forming a trivial shape. Both would be right. Why do we keep talking about subjective experience? Well, for one thing, because it is real too. And just as there is a "law" that makes you fall when you jump and makes you hurt when you get punched, the "laws" that make colors, taste, and feeling are no less real. In fact, to believe so would be un-scientific. There is no diminishing the subjective in favor of the external/objective: Both are real and sensed.
As for science, I've done nothing but agree with you on its value. But, there are also its flaws, example, for a long time, even after a lot of meteor showers, most scientists did not believe this phenomena was possible.
Every person that is involved in the occult or metaphysics that I've had the pleasure to ask about has confirmed the validity of paranormal phenomena. We can start with some reasonable assumptions about this: Either every person that gets involved in metaphysics becomes a liar or crazy, or some of them must be telling the truth.
The us government spent 20 years researching remote viewing. Do you think it takes more than 10 years of tests to determine if the stuff works or not?
I want Science too. But I came back to science with a new experience and a new view, a view that if I denied, I would be un-scientific.
I promised some stuff, articles, and quotes: I have given some, but not enough. I will refrain from further comments and start posting more articles for you, and I will send those quote I talked about in the PM. You can get a lot of out of the articles even from a psychological view. As I said, it is better if you stay with your views. With my previous post I was expressing this: Just as there are people who are born with the gift of music and others of construction, some are born inclined to cargest's views and others to yours. It would be unnatural trying to make you embrace his views.
There is some interesting information about Tibet and reality, about tantric inversion. Those guys did a lot of mysticism and magic, but they were also in tune with reality, you can see by their practices. To show they are not pussies and to show the unity and purity of all, they commited disgusting acts, like eating the rest of meat stuck in a woman's teeth, all with some crazy concepts behind it backing all those acts up.
"The Candamaharosana Tantra lists with relish the particular substances which are offered to the adept by his wisdom consort during the sexual magic rituals and which he must swallow: excrement, urine, saliva, leftovers from between her teeth, lipstick, dish-water, vomit, the wash water which remains after her anus has been cleaned (George, 1974, pp. 73, 78, 79) Those who “make the excrement and urine their food, will be truly happy”, promises the Guhyasamaja Tantra (quoted by Gäng, 1988, p. 134). In the Hevajra Tantra the adept must drink the menstrual blood of his mudra out of a skull bowl (Farrow and Menon, 1992, p. 98). But rotten fish, sewer water, canine feces, corpse fat, the excrement of the dead, sanitary napkins as well as all conceivable “intoxicating drinks” are also consumed (Walker, 1982, pp. 80–84).
"
http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Part-1-04.htm
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Metal / Re: 'One Man Metal' documentary -- Xasthur comes out the closet
« on: November 15, 2012, 10:48:08 PM »
Wow, I was right. Xasthur is some demoness from the Necronomicon plus mixed with a name of a Santeria spirit. The guy must be into some crazy stuff.
It's funny how musicians, specially black metal, have a way of relating to the spirits on a totally intuitive, musical way. That is, those who do not practice occult rites, that I know of examples being Yamatu, Therion, Mystifier, Emperor, Mayhem, Beherit, Acheron, Demonic Christ, Black Funeral, Dissection, Sovereign, Profanatica, Arckanum, Morbid Angel and many others. Glen Benton also claimed he was possessed, but I guess it's more of a joke, with a real backstory which is subconscious influence. They even mention the necronomicon on one of their lyrics. A lot of those are influenced by HP Lovecraft also.
I never really listened to xasthur until now, I am enjoying all of his work. Pure ambiance and sadness, no matter what this guy does, ambient soundtrack metal or whatever, it's his emotions on music he wants to convey and I find it all in very good taste. His persona seems similar to that of the man of Krieg.
I don't really think he does not talk to people. I think in reality he hangs out with people
It's funny how musicians, specially black metal, have a way of relating to the spirits on a totally intuitive, musical way. That is, those who do not practice occult rites, that I know of examples being Yamatu, Therion, Mystifier, Emperor, Mayhem, Beherit, Acheron, Demonic Christ, Black Funeral, Dissection, Sovereign, Profanatica, Arckanum, Morbid Angel and many others. Glen Benton also claimed he was possessed, but I guess it's more of a joke, with a real backstory which is subconscious influence. They even mention the necronomicon on one of their lyrics. A lot of those are influenced by HP Lovecraft also.
I never really listened to xasthur until now, I am enjoying all of his work. Pure ambiance and sadness, no matter what this guy does, ambient soundtrack metal or whatever, it's his emotions on music he wants to convey and I find it all in very good taste. His persona seems similar to that of the man of Krieg.
I don't really think he does not talk to people. I think in reality he hangs out with people
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Metal / Re: 'One Man Metal' documentary -- Xasthur comes out the closet
« on: November 15, 2012, 11:20:05 AM »
Well well! I love people like this. I read the interview with xasthur yesterday because of another topic here in metal and really identified with the guy. Seems like a nice person, and I bet he enjoys HP. Lovecraft's writings. Of course, those writings stir up memories from lost civilizations on all of us.
I'm checking out the interview.
I'm checking out the interview.
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Chasm / Re: Keeping your mind flexible
« on: November 15, 2012, 10:26:14 AM »
Well aquarius, from what I've read not thinking is an advantage at all times. That's because it is not thinking too much, as a habit and when it is not necessary, not speaking things mentally like "This is good", "This is gonna suck" etc... Of course when you don't do that, other stuff will fill in. And that stuff is more perception of the present. It's like the difference between a photograph with a lot of black stains all around, and a clear one.
I do not speak by experience, but sometimes all of us have intuited this state and saw how great it might be and considered its possibilities if developed.
It's about not perceiving things with mental filters. There are thousands of images in our heads blurring things... I got an e-mail by the deathmetal.org crowd about helping the website. One of them said "HAIL DEMONCY FOR ETERNITY!" and I read for several days "HAIL DEMOCRACY FOR ETERNITY!"
I do not speak by experience, but sometimes all of us have intuited this state and saw how great it might be and considered its possibilities if developed.
It's about not perceiving things with mental filters. There are thousands of images in our heads blurring things... I got an e-mail by the deathmetal.org crowd about helping the website. One of them said "HAIL DEMONCY FOR ETERNITY!" and I read for several days "HAIL DEMOCRACY FOR ETERNITY!"
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Chasm / Re: Highly technological global society or technology only for "elites"?
« on: November 11, 2012, 12:00:55 AM »
I don't know if you only wanted to show your metal song or imply it is really "technophobia", but if it's the latter, it's not technophobia.
I believe in keeping what we have now, including internet, but the average person now is already an abuser of internet, if compared with a normal person in 1997. Health improvements in science of course should continue and be available (while also studying how living integrated with the life force and nature can prevent maladies, and teaching people to be responsible with chemicals in food and not to believe the big pharmaceutical companies in all they say). But I don't see how my post is unrealistic, what I predict in it has been already discussed by a lot of people and everyone knows our goals now are to create robots and computers controlled directly by interfacing with the human mind. We also know that for every technology that succeeds and is put to practical use for the first time, decades can elapse before common folk start to know about it.
I believe in keeping what we have now, including internet, but the average person now is already an abuser of internet, if compared with a normal person in 1997. Health improvements in science of course should continue and be available (while also studying how living integrated with the life force and nature can prevent maladies, and teaching people to be responsible with chemicals in food and not to believe the big pharmaceutical companies in all they say). But I don't see how my post is unrealistic, what I predict in it has been already discussed by a lot of people and everyone knows our goals now are to create robots and computers controlled directly by interfacing with the human mind. We also know that for every technology that succeeds and is put to practical use for the first time, decades can elapse before common folk start to know about it.