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Interzone / Re: End of post-WWII order
« on: June 11, 2010, 06:52:47 PM »
To speak the truth, I have no idea what economy is, how it works, it puzzles me and I don't understand how people can even discuss it. I'm not asking to be explained, just stating that economics is a shadowed area for me. Maybe that can change by reading books.

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Prince Charles yesterday urged the world to follow Islamic 'spiritual principles' in order to protect the environment.
In an hour-long speech, the heir to the throne argued that man's destruction of the world was contrary to the scriptures of all religions - but particularly those of Islam.
He said the current 'division' between man and nature had been caused not just by industrialisation, but also by our attitude to the environment - which goes against the grain of 'sacred traditions'.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1285332/Follow-Islamic-way-save-world-Charles-urges-environmentalists.html#ixzz0qZTpc1CP


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Interzone / Re: The restless American undead
« on: May 30, 2010, 03:37:16 AM »
I love films like the evil dead. The visuals are also nice, the atmosphere.

But I have to say, I may be missing the point, but altought the story is good the way it is, I have some problems with the supernatural story: can a book really conjure demons like that? Can evil trees exist? Should all be taken "metaphorically"? Sometimes I'm put off by the unrealistical fantasy.

Movies like lord of the rings, altought pure fantasy, are more believable for me because they try to portray atotally different world. But films showing things that hardly ever existed put me down a little

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Interzone / Re: [META] Activities of our users
« on: May 29, 2010, 12:43:03 AM »
Very deep this art. I generally love realist art such as the Italian art from the Renaissance. But this is challenging and also since you are an Anus member I value this more.

Thanks, that means a lot to me.


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Interzone / Re: [META] Activities of our users
« on: May 29, 2010, 12:38:18 AM »

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Interzone / Re: Qabalah
« on: May 28, 2010, 04:18:03 PM »
From what I know, crowley based his books a lot on hermeticism and orientalism, from qabalah also. But what I really wanted to know from you who has read his books is, was he true when writing them? Are his systems, or whatever name, true and real? What is it all about really.

I'm not lazy, I just don't plan on reading any of his books any time soon.

You want to know what he is about but don't want to read him? Not going to happen.

Any time soon. I am reading other books and when I finish there are already others to buy. I'll certainly read his books in the future. Anyway I read a quote by him that whoever wants to read his books or study occultism must first dominate the sciencies, history, and a buch of other stuff.

From what I know, if not an expert, he had a lot of knowledge on these subjects (orinental stuff, mysticism) . I'm even more confused: If his systems aren't real, then what the hell they are. That's my doubt with most occult stuff. Well, but thanks anyway. I will read the volumes you mentioned some day.

The Predator: What have you gained fom the works of Aleister Crowley? What do you have to say about it? I have en ebook by Resgardie in wich he gives some techniques like imagining colored energy on the body and other mentalizations and meditations for healing and improvement. Cool stuff

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Interzone / Re: Elephant
« on: May 28, 2010, 03:46:40 AM »
Maybe the screenwriter was trying to say that they were such losers, that they couldn't get girls and knowing that the school shooting would end in suicide, wanted to taste some sexual experience

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Interzone / Re: Are we really wrecking the planet?
« on: May 28, 2010, 02:21:35 AM »
I sometimes wonder if Mars or Venus at some time had sentient beings similar to us(I mean in capability to manipulate their environment) that wrecked their planets and died/left to wreck another.  I could see the Earth entering a feedback loop resulting from massive devegetation and output of carbon dioxide and other compounds that could create either situation.  My knowledge of chemistry and physics isn't developed enough to do more than vague speculation, however. 

It seems quite impossible to me that human activity could destroy all life (including micro-life, not just what we consider "life"). Life on Earth has faced mass extinctions and climate change before, and it will likely continue to until the sun swallows it.

 The temperatures of both Mars and Venus make complex life impossible.


It's highly unlikely, but not impossible.  I imagine it would take sustained i.e. centuries of exploitation on a multitude higher scale than what we see today, but humans not only have a gigantic population with which to exploit they also have ingenuity for exploiting resources dynamically without being burdened by much thought as to long-term consequences.  Irreversibly altering the planet's ecosystem doesn't seem entirely beyond reach as long humanity doesn't extinguish itself first.  And I didn't mean to imply that all life would be gone.  Micro-organisms may very well flourish within a Mars-like Earth by way of the planets internal heat.

The temperature of Mars and Venus may not support our form of life, but it seems absurd, in all the complexities of matter, that no variants exist.

Yeah I believe that too. Lovecraft says it is extremely ingenuous to believe life on other plantes would resemble ours.

Maybe life on all other planets needs a bunch of empty planets on the solar system and only one planet with life.

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Interzone / Re: Uncertainty regarding the internet
« on: May 28, 2010, 02:18:48 AM »
I ALWAYS knew that the internet gives ADD and it wrecked my brain along with TV and video games. Time to try to grow up

(this is in response to the cientific study posted)

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Interzone / Re: Qabalah
« on: May 27, 2010, 11:15:13 PM »
Qabalah is ancient Hebrew mysticism whereas Crowley, Carroll et al. are industrial age Western decadence. Which one is less "stinky", as requested by he who wished to read books? Beats me.

From what I know, crowley based his books a lot on hermeticism and orientalism, from qabalah also. But what I really wanted to know from you who has read his books is, was he true when writing them? Are his systems, or whatever name, true and real? What is it all about really.

I'm not lazy, I just don't plan on reading any of his books any time soon.

But I have read a lot of positive things about him by authors I enjoy.

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Interzone / Re: Qabalah
« on: May 27, 2010, 09:09:47 PM »
Internet Sacred Text Archive is here to help you. Additionally, Dion Fortune's The Mystical Qabalah is a classic treatise from the viewpoint of Western occultism.

I don't like reading a lot on the computer. Any book recommendations? I'll probably head to the library and just check out whatever, but a little guidance would help.

Those are all actual books that have been in print for a century or so! I just happened to link the online versions because such exist; amusingly, the only general guidance from me would have been to avoid "practical Qabalah", magick etc. (see previous post) but if Western occultism is your thing, then The Predator's recommendations are perfectly in line.

Since you seem to have read that book you said, with like 8 volumes, about magic or something (thanks for bringing it up), I have to ask: What were your conclusions on western occultism, magic and aleister crowley, and why did you adivse them to be avoided?

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Interzone / Re: The existence of spirits and other things
« on: May 27, 2010, 07:56:25 PM »
Quote from: mr marcus
I believe 100% ... that a lot of "spiritual" stuff really happens, it just may not be due to the causes that mystics speak.

But even if there is only neuron activity, I will never deny mysticism because it can be useful and it can be explained by the brain alone.
You're right on the money with this line of thought.  When people refer to things like mystical / spiritual / paranormal etc. experiences, they are discussing real phenomena.  They're just not what most people think they are.  There are rational / logical /scientific explanations for all these phenomena, and as I've said before, any of them can be experienced with greater orders of magnitude using mind altering substances.

Except for things like moving objects with the mind, materialization of objects and other things (since you mentioned the paranormal. Because I know a priest who runs a institue for studying such phenomena, and he really believes it exists. But he is also a skeptical.)

I wouldn't know about telepathy but I read LSD can induce it.

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Interzone / Re: moving to the west coast
« on: May 27, 2010, 07:02:30 PM »
Western Man has been doing this (westward migration) for thousands of years, actually. There is some sort of inexplicable natural impulse at work, a much larger topic than you might have expected.

Man, I have recently read a book that touches on this subject, a great book by the way, wich I discovered by the Acerbus interview, Prometheus Rising. I was even thinking about creating a topic for that book, and giving the link for download. It mentions some historian or sociologist who theorized that wealth has been moving west over the generations.

West west, y'all.

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How do the people on this forum cope with the chaos of the world, wich means any of us, our loved ones (parents, siblings, sons and daughters) can be killed at any moment or even worse, tortured for sadistic purposes of maniacs or bored people who decide to torture and kill for fun?

I'm not worried about this so much as that our species may fail.

Out of curiosity, how do you think that would most likely happen?

To forza romana and antihuman, thanks

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Interzone / The existence of spirits and other things
« on: May 27, 2010, 06:48:12 PM »
Do you think there is soul, magic, or spiritual realm (all at once, or just one of them?).

When I was a kid I was a christian, then when I was like 12 I started denying god, by 14 I denied him, became a "skeptic" but I was so young, didn't read much that my skeptcism was not well based. Anyway I tought scientists and skeptics were the people who knew what reality was all about and what it was not. Before thinking like that I was a little mystical, and I have enjoyed buddhism since my pre-teen. Some day I read a book on buddhism and was fascinated because it showed the world was made of particles and concepts like a chair is not really a chair but a bunch of wood etc. but it is also a chair. I was surprised when, many years after knowing ANUS.com, I re-read some parts of the book and saw Meister Eckhart (wich I tought I had seen first on ANUS, I did not know it was in the book I had read many years early) was mentioned on the book. That made me feel a little amazed, like I was on the right track, or chasing the same things in my life. Anyway I was curious about mysticism, reincarnation, spirits before denying it all.

But it was no good trying to repress that curiosity. It's all coming back now. One thing that helped me become a little more inclined to the spiritual thing is that I, with closed eyes and trying to concentrate, imagined myself with closed eyes and imagined not to be exactly leaving my body, but to extend my consciousness outside of it and as I was with my eyes closed, that outside realm was black. It's difficult to explain, but it was like a vast black world with only some clear part, wich was the narrow consciousness, my normal consciousness, perceiving only some part of reality, and with human concepts, the obscure reality being unhuman and full of entities or whatever. The important part of that for me was that I imagined not only myself looking at myself, but and extended unhuman world looking at a limited human vision, wich converted eveything to a more humane reality, wich is real, but not perfect in understanding, and in fact full of prejudices and things like worrying about survival or breathing or eyesight. I wish that actually happened but it was just a concept, imagination, and not a very vivid one. I am starting to read stuff from mystical sources like hermeticism, gnosicism and some other stuff.

Anyway, I believe 100% that people can attain enlightenment (a fact that does not need spirituality to exist), astral projection (I don't think people can actually leave their bodies, but I believe they experience it as if it was real) and that a lot of "spiritual" stuff really happens, it just may not be due to the causes that mystics speak.

Anyway, I'm not taking position anymore until I have had many experiences, and read many books. I just wish to  see what the people on the forum think, from what I know there are some hardcore no-spirituality people, and some mystics.

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But even if there is only neuron activity, I will never deny mysticism because it can be useful and it can be explained by the brain alone.

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Another thing that's not quite the subject here but I will not create another topic about it: Plants sensitivity. Do they possess sensitivity, feelings, or something similar? My biology teacher said no.

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One things that kind of makes me a little skeptical is how no one gained the prize that James Randi offered for proving any supernatural powers.

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