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Interzone / Re: moving to the west coast
« on: May 27, 2010, 12:02:30 PM »
Western Man has been doing this (westward migration) for thousands of years, actually. There is some sort of inexplicable natural impulse at work, a much larger topic than you might have expected.

Man, I have recently read a book that touches on this subject, a great book by the way, wich I discovered by the Acerbus interview, Prometheus Rising. I was even thinking about creating a topic for that book, and giving the link for download. It mentions some historian or sociologist who theorized that wealth has been moving west over the generations.

West west, y'all.

How do the people on this forum cope with the chaos of the world, wich means any of us, our loved ones (parents, siblings, sons and daughters) can be killed at any moment or even worse, tortured for sadistic purposes of maniacs or bored people who decide to torture and kill for fun?

I'm not worried about this so much as that our species may fail.

Out of curiosity, how do you think that would most likely happen?

To forza romana and antihuman, thanks

Interzone / The existence of spirits and other things
« on: May 27, 2010, 11:48:12 AM »
Do you think there is soul, magic, or spiritual realm (all at once, or just one of them?).

When I was a kid I was a christian, then when I was like 12 I started denying god, by 14 I denied him, became a "skeptic" but I was so young, didn't read much that my skeptcism was not well based. Anyway I tought scientists and skeptics were the people who knew what reality was all about and what it was not. Before thinking like that I was a little mystical, and I have enjoyed buddhism since my pre-teen. Some day I read a book on buddhism and was fascinated because it showed the world was made of particles and concepts like a chair is not really a chair but a bunch of wood etc. but it is also a chair. I was surprised when, many years after knowing ANUS.com, I re-read some parts of the book and saw Meister Eckhart (wich I tought I had seen first on ANUS, I did not know it was in the book I had read many years early) was mentioned on the book. That made me feel a little amazed, like I was on the right track, or chasing the same things in my life. Anyway I was curious about mysticism, reincarnation, spirits before denying it all.

But it was no good trying to repress that curiosity. It's all coming back now. One thing that helped me become a little more inclined to the spiritual thing is that I, with closed eyes and trying to concentrate, imagined myself with closed eyes and imagined not to be exactly leaving my body, but to extend my consciousness outside of it and as I was with my eyes closed, that outside realm was black. It's difficult to explain, but it was like a vast black world with only some clear part, wich was the narrow consciousness, my normal consciousness, perceiving only some part of reality, and with human concepts, the obscure reality being unhuman and full of entities or whatever. The important part of that for me was that I imagined not only myself looking at myself, but and extended unhuman world looking at a limited human vision, wich converted eveything to a more humane reality, wich is real, but not perfect in understanding, and in fact full of prejudices and things like worrying about survival or breathing or eyesight. I wish that actually happened but it was just a concept, imagination, and not a very vivid one. I am starting to read stuff from mystical sources like hermeticism, gnosicism and some other stuff.

Anyway, I believe 100% that people can attain enlightenment (a fact that does not need spirituality to exist), astral projection (I don't think people can actually leave their bodies, but I believe they experience it as if it was real) and that a lot of "spiritual" stuff really happens, it just may not be due to the causes that mystics speak.

Anyway, I'm not taking position anymore until I have had many experiences, and read many books. I just wish to  see what the people on the forum think, from what I know there are some hardcore no-spirituality people, and some mystics.


But even if there is only neuron activity, I will never deny mysticism because it can be useful and it can be explained by the brain alone.


Another thing that's not quite the subject here but I will not create another topic about it: Plants sensitivity. Do they possess sensitivity, feelings, or something similar? My biology teacher said no.


One things that kind of makes me a little skeptical is how no one gained the prize that James Randi offered for proving any supernatural powers.

The slap on the face would only prove my point. It would make me mad and more aware, no distractions, wich means living in the moment, and the sudden pain and violence of the slap would make me see that there is limited importance to tought, and if I tried to maintain the state of mind after the slap, I I would deal with things as they came, not trying to predict the future, as it is unavoidable (simple rational decision: time and energy get wasted when thinking too much about hard stuff that's beyond my control. If they are to happen they will, but they probably not, so it's wiser to live carefree)

Interzone / Re: Elephant
« on: May 25, 2010, 08:51:41 PM »
I was thinking about this movie today. Sinchronicity.

Jew Bob: Kind of, but you and the guy above you are maybe missing some details in my thinking.

I believe everyone should accept those facts. But , imagine if everyday I tought of everything that might happen: I would never ride a bus or a car, or a plane because of accident's, I'd be afraid of desease, etc.

What I tried to say is that life is uncertain. And there is little you can do to avoid the unavoidable. You may go trought your whole whole life without one single disgrace happening to you and your family. As a matter of fact a lot of people do.

Things that will happen... haven't happened yet. We can prevent bad things of course, and apart from that, we can only live life in the present. In the end of your life you could tell what life was

A father who raises kids and maintains a family does not want them killed. He know that can happen. But a sane person would not think about his family's disgrace often: He would do his best and live each day thankfully. If something happens then you have to adjust.

My toughts on this have something to do with the chaos of reality... Life is unfair, and to accept that unfairness, you must accept also the blessings. If you go trought life without your family or you suffering disgraces, you have been blessed. Some other family may not be granted this, and they may curse life. A lot of sane people I know have a corageous attitude towards life: Do what is necessary and responsible, do not think A Lot about disgraces, for if they are to happen, tought will not stop them.

Anyway, I'm done trying to explain my toughts and feelings on this, it's harder than I tought... Just know that I just don't think "Think positive and never think about disgrace period"


about this:

Saying that we should stick our heads in the sand like ostriches is the most unmetal thing one can do. Even suicide takes more courage.

I'm saying the contrary: Stick your head out to the world. You may be blessed or you may be cursed with disgrace. Obssessing won't change it, so why worry?

Metal / Re: Funny fact about newbies in metal
« on: May 25, 2010, 06:16:39 PM »
There is a confusion here. By more complex I did not mean necessairly technical. It could be that a repetitive band to me is more complex than a technical one. The complexity is in understanting and assimilating the coherence of the song. This difficulty for me to listen to metal was mostly because I listened to simpler metal, and by simpler I don't mean economical in the melodies or whatever, I mean stuff like Sonata Arctica and System of a Down.

Rotting Christ's Non Serviam for example, it is a great album imo, but I would call it simpler, at least to listen to, than immortal.

Quote from: mr marcus
You don't HAVE to accept tha these things will happen because to most people, they don't.
Yeah, that's called pretending they don't happen.  I wasn't murdered in The Holocaust, so I guess it didn't happen.

That's the point I tried to make. I never said pretend it doesn't happen. I accepted this facts LONG ago. They do happen. Thing is, are they gonna happen to you or me? The holocaust isn't gonna happen to you. It ended already. It was real, but we didn't go trought it. Same way some people in germany in ww2 died, some survived. These people who survived, death was not real to them. That's the point I was trying to make: Life is what happens to us. If you're not a homossexual, a penis being inserted into your anus is not part of your reality and never will be. ONLY IF you get raped.

So my theory is that life is different for all, and what happens in people's life is life to them. An insect will never know music. That doesn't mean music is not being played near them.

I would say this presents a moral imperative on society to take precautions to stop these kinds of things from happening and forming a system of justice to 'eliminate' those elements from society.

How to cope with this fact of life?  I'd agree with cet that simply accepting it as inevitable would be a good start.  If you can't do that there are alternatives:
-you could abuse drugs
-you could distract yourself with the mundane and meaningless things in life
-you could pretend these things don't actually happen
-you could kill yourself

There is also the alternative I presented: You don't HAVE to accept tha these things will happen because to most people, they don't. So to those people, that's life, perfect. A dog that goes trough life eating good, having his fun, and dying of old age will never fear nothing. As for youself, if you're not gay, a penis being inserted in your anus is not part and never will be of your life. And you take that for granted. You know? I think the most sane this is to wait for the thing to happen and THEN accept it. Imagine if we were to dedicate time and energy to trying to think of all the tragedies that could happen, in order to be more realistical and accept them all?

Interzone / I have to ask this: Tough philosophical moral question
« on: May 25, 2010, 02:36:02 PM »
I have to ask this. How do the people on this forum cope with the chaos of the world, wich means any of us, our loved ones (parents, siblings, sons and daughters) can be killed at any moment or even worse, tortured for sadistic purposes of maniacs or bored people who decide to torture and kill for fun?

How to accept that terrible things can happen to valuable people, and worst, with innocent infants who had a long beaufitul life ahead? Sometimes I think how sad it would be if I died when I was younger, because I have a lot of stuff to experience. (I'm 19.)

It's tempting for me to believe in a force that makes the bad things happen because of incompetence or karma. Actually, I do believe this. I believe in karma from what you do, and also from what the ancestors did (the reality we have now is result of a lot of actions of the past, and a lot of those actions remain in memory, writing, pictures, etc.). But not ALL things follow the karma rule. Some things (that's what it seems like to me now) happens out of pure chaos. Or better yet, I do not believe in things happening for no reason. All things happen for a reason, just some of those things harm some humans extremely. Well, I think I just solved my own question. The world is one amoral thing and little children are going to die sometimes, and sometimes they will be tortured by maniacs, sometimes anally. Sometimes a guy can pick up your son (I don't have one, but I plan to), rape him anally, cum on his mouth, then kill him. That's the way it is

The question is how to cope with it. I think the best and most honest manner, the way that is most true to the reality we live in: Reality is multi-reality. That means, our reality is not the same as of the animals, of the plants, of the winds, or even of another person. But at the same time, it's the same reality. What is needed is for you to consider yourself what you are: A new person, a new life who never existed before, therefore you can only judge life by what happens in your life only. If I form a great family and die 80 years old with good financial condition then I love life, life is a great marvelous gift, and that will be my reality forever. Another human being, who forms a family and they all die in flames or some other tragedy due to bombing by the USA, will curse life, and they're both right, because their lifes are separate things, one was one's life, the other was the other's life, and they don't need to come to a consensus about life because it just wasn't made to work this way.

Your toughts?

Metal / Re: Funny fact about newbies in metal
« on: May 25, 2010, 02:11:06 PM »
Funny, I seem to have had the complete opposite. I tend to find complex music easier to follow. I remember it took me about two weeks to get into Impaled Nazarene, to even be able to tell differences between riffs because Tol Cormpt Norz Norz Norz seemed so monotonous to me that it drowned out my focus. But when I'm doing "simple" things such as riding the subway I prefer listening to simple music such as the Ramones or Ildjarn, this is so I can concentrate better on my surroundings and listen to the music on background volume. Alas the quality of public transportation has gone down a bit I guess.

I suppose the effects of marijuana could cause complex music to be experienced as more natural. But be careful you don't end up listening to freejazz (one of the worst effects marijuana can have on someone, next to homosexuality)

I think I need to clarify what I meant by complex... Obscura sure is complex, but for a mind that isn't used to metal, most extreme metal is complex To Listen To, not necessairly complex melodies. Emperor for example is not that "complex" but when I first listened to Towards the Pantheon the difficulty was to perceive the sounds, understand that there is a melody and there is a coherence. Havohej was a band that I liked when I was new to metal, but on a more subconcious level. I could listen to the songs, not feel that much excited, but repeat the sounds in my head during the day. I often felt more emotion on the reproduction of the songs of bands in my head after listening than listening to them. But outside of extreme metal, songs were easier, like Sonata Arctica, Helloween, etc. I just couldn't figure out what most extreme metal bands were all about! When ANUS listed the greats I tought there would be some Iron Maiden-like melodic greatness or something, and what I usually found was very different, some alien form of music.

I enjoy listening to Miles Davis and others. It's a different form of music, miles davis is cool. The album On The Corner is good experimental jazz imo. Free jazz, if you mean some faggy shit, well that's not really my thing, but I don't really know. Perhaps you could send an youtube link with some degenerate free jazz. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps0ka1tY5yg

I would like to know how can cannabis cause homosexuality if you were serious

Jewbob: I also had difficulty with the most repetitive, but that doesn't mean they're very simple. Or not

Metal / Funny fact about newbies in metal
« on: May 25, 2010, 12:39:36 PM »
A thing i've noticed is that a lot of times I seek simpler metal albums, because I'm still confused sometimes, at some albums and their "sound complexity". In the ANUS page Vijay Prozak responds about mutilator telling that while it's good, it was not as "complex" as sepultura. I became instantly interested in checking it out, and I liked the album I downloaded. It is really simpler. In my, like, 14teens, I was still thinking that black metal was a bunch of noises and some occasional whispering or screaming. But it was really the way the music sounded to me. I couldn't comprehend the sounds. There was no melody to me.

Slowly, but only with the help of cannabis, I began to understand. (on a note, I started listening to "black metal" [a mix of true black metal with dimmu borgir, cof, and other stuff] before starting to smoke. One band I really admired was Burzum, but I believed I felt the songs on a more subcontious level).

I enjoyed mutilator very much, but on the other hand, Atrocity Todfesnnehschust is a little bit harder (requires more attention)

I have to say, when I smoke cannabis I am able to graps all bands. This preference for simpler, more average (but no mediocre) metal, is when I do not smoke it. ANUS also influenced this outlook, because the bands considered the greatest were always the ones I found more "difficult".

Another album that's quite OK and easy to listen to, but great album: Rotting Christ's Non Serviam. Very good.

Anyone ever went througt this stage of wanting simpler metal just because the other stuff is too complex or challenging or whatever?

Interzone / Re: Distrust of antidepressants
« on: May 21, 2010, 08:08:50 AM »
About the quote, do you agree that: "If a sculpturing kit was useful, everybody that bought one would dominate sculpturing?"

As for the people who don't think psychedelics could give understanding, consider this: Do you think the study of mathematical things like fractals can give some understanding? Fractal visions appear on psychedelics, among other things.

Interzone / Re: Adrian McCoy is my hero
« on: May 20, 2010, 03:37:57 PM »
ANUS sense of humor is funny. I remember a topic on the bbs, Heroes, about two boys that invaded the burger king transmission of the drive thru and said a guy was "too fat for whopper".

Interzone / Are we really wrecking the planet?
« on: May 20, 2010, 11:41:27 AM »
I've discussed on the internet with mostly christian "right wing" individuals, neo-libera/neo-conservatives (whatever the hell those things actually are) from Brazil and they all, mostly based on the Bible I guess, favor indiscriminate expansion of humanity and of population. I couldn't get them to believe that it's OK to do some kind of population planning.

Do you think we're really commiting "ecocide", destroying our planet, or is it too strong and too big for us to do that? OR, conditions of life will remain somewhat normal with population increase but we will lose a lot of natural land and this upsets environmentalists? OR, will population stop growing and then decrease?

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