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Interzone / -- Archived Forum --
« on: July 01, 2014, 05:25:04 PM »
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Metal / Re: Eucharist
« on: June 30, 2014, 02:13:32 PM »
At the Gates used more impulsive rhythms with abrupt changes.

The tendencies that some have noted for the drums to quiet down during busy guitar parts but pick up during the repetitive ones would be familiar to any jazz listener, and by jazz I don't mean the lite-jazz-fusion crap that numu metalcore bands pick up on, but the old stuff. I think it's even older than that: constant drumming is generally brain dead, so musicians use it selectively, but it can't make a suitable sonic appearance when something else is the focal point.

Eucharist go for a very formal and logical sequence of introduced material that is the antithesis of the more chaotic lunge that At the Gates takes. It creates an austere and distant feeling like that in many prosperous middle class homes, and introduces a deathlike absence into it.

I think it's much more sinister than that.

The average person -- even if vegan -- supports the growth and expansion of a society that by definition does so at the expense of natural land.

What happens to all of those animals? A: they die. As do all future generations in that area.

If I had one wish for humanity, it would be less use of space. This cannot be achieved by putting everyone in apartments, because they will still need farmland, roads, hospitals, schools, shopping malls, doctor's offices, irrigation clinics, parking lots, bars and restaurants, libraries and public toilets.

The posh/non-posh thing seems to have more to do with who's "in" the little elite media club and who's not. Mostly corporate stooges probably. But metal has always hated poseurs, and people who rage about hunting while happily signing the next bill to shift 300,000 acres of green belt into condominiums are total hypocrite poseurs.

Much of the rancour has surrounded frontman James Hetfield’s proclivity for hunting, with campaigners concerned that such activities run counter to the Peace and Love spirit of the festival.

At time of press 25,379 people had lent their signature to a petition calling for the band to be banned on the grounds that he has a “vile obsession with hunting”.

Whatever one’s views on the morality of hunting the campaign does lack credibility. Are we to ban artists from Glastonbury for any sort of objectionable behaviour and simply have Coldplay perform every year? There was certainly no outcry whatsoever when a host of headliners with nefarious pasts and in some case unabashed criminality were booked to perform.


Even in highly adulterated form (nu-Metallica) heavy metal is too feral, mythological and atavistic for modern "safety first" kiddies.

Metal / Heavy metal is a culture separate from black, gay culture
« on: June 28, 2014, 09:17:10 PM »
Speaking about the diversity of audiences at heavy metal shows, Ward — who is also a member of rap-metal pioneers STUCK MOJO — said: "Metal always gets weird… and I don't even know… but it gets this weird reputation of being racist or homophobic. It's, like, why? And they say, well, there's a not lot of black people at the shows. It's, like, black people are welcome. We don't have a sign [saying that no blacks are allowed to attend metal concerts]. But it's about culture. And that's the one thing that people don't realize… Because there's not a lot of gay heavy metal bands, that doesn't mean that that culture is not welcome, it's just that we gravitate towards things that we are culturally drawn to, and black culture, in general, is drawn to music that came up in black culture… you know, rap music, R&B, blues, jazz, and there are places where those cultures can meet, and they often do. But even LIVING COLOUR and bands like FISHBONE, they don't have large black audiences. They play rock music, so they have a mainly white audience. So it has nothing to do with color, it has to do with culture."


The most important part:

But it's about culture...we gravitate towards things that we are culturally drawn to

Metal / Re: Burzum - The Ways of Yore
« on: June 27, 2014, 01:40:08 PM »
He's definitely taken a hidden path in his life.

"Talent hits a target no one else can hit;
Genius hits a target no one else can see."

Metal / Re: Eucharist
« on: June 27, 2014, 01:35:33 PM »
Eucharist sets up rhythm more like a doom metal band. They remind me of Skepticism: create vast spaces, let guitar phrases intrude.

That's similar to what Immortal and Darkthrone did, except for them it was constant ambient drumming. This cut guitar free from drums, which enables more rhythmic variety.

Metal / Re: Burzum - The Ways of Yore
« on: June 26, 2014, 05:09:18 PM »
I hope he did. A-ha were better than 90% of the radio tripe in the 80s.

Metal / Re: Sammath (Furious Dutch-German Black Metal)
« on: June 24, 2014, 01:03:38 PM »
New rehearsal video:


The website announces a USA/Europe pro-tape release in the coming weeks:


Metal / Re: Why is deathmetal.org important
« on: June 23, 2014, 07:43:55 PM »
The greater the decrease in the social significance of an art form, the sharper the distinction between criticism and enjoyment by the public. The conventional is uncritically enjoyed, and the truly new is criticized with aversion.

The more socially/philosophically significant it is, the more it talks about real topics and content is important. Sometimes content is form, as in classical works, where the form itself emphasizes harmony and balance in addition to complexity through melodic development. In death metal a similar principle exists.

Metal / Re: 20% Off Sale!!!
« on: June 18, 2014, 03:47:02 PM »
If you don't have at least four copies of this, you're missing out:


With the discount code, $7 to your door.

Metal / Re: Burzum - The Ways of Yore
« on: June 12, 2014, 05:31:23 PM »
The solution? I think the reason this site differentiates neoambient is that it is what is continuing the black metal tradition in a new form.

The years have changed, art reacts.

Black metal is dead and should stay dead. The imitators killed it; no sensible artist is going to throw away his work on a community that cannot appreciate it.

Metal / Re: Burzum - The Ways of Yore
« on: June 12, 2014, 04:19:44 PM »
Black metal and related genres aren't a good place for quibbles about instrumentation and production.

The content on the album is good; thinner perhaps than his first album, but still solid.

In a genre-spectrum awash in contentless imitators and vapid entryists, Burzum isn't the problem.

Metal / Re: Burzum - The Ways of Yore
« on: June 11, 2014, 02:11:58 PM »
I prefer Tomhet on the original album.  It worked better as an outro to something great.

I agree. This is the weak spot for me, but it's not really weak to a new listener. I think Varg may have (unfortunately) listened to a critique of his original instrumentation from the peanut gallery. However, I liked the simplicity and 1980s innocence of the original, as well as its role as he stated it in the album: surging through all this chaotic metal, ending up in silence and death.

If anything newer Burzum ambient should be compared to some of his more atmospheric pieces from the second album, which sought to create a mood and then change it from within via texture. That's not entirely unlike what a lot of death metal did, except that now it exists through harmony and melody.

Some tracks, like the "ritual ambient" Heil Odhinn/Heil Freya originally struck me as really annoying. I recall these having been around for some time in concept, giving the feel of this album being odds 'n' ends. However, they work quite well in breaking up what otherwise would be an omnipresent sameness to the album.

The more I listen to it, the more it improves. The spirit and sensation is there. It has its flaws, but flaws don't dethrone greatness, merely give it some personality.

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