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Interzone / The Dunning-Kruger effect
« on: April 24, 2014, 11:51:06 AM »
  • Unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude.
  • Those persons to whom a skill or set of skills come easily may find themselves with weak self-confidence, as they may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding.

The second half worries me. Smarter people look outside of themselves, and draw wrong conclusions; dumber people look at themselves, and draw wrong conclusions. Either way: wrong conclusions.

Also of note - how the ego can troll you into thinking you have all the answers:


Interzone / Re: Should this forum sticky a list of essential reads?
« on: April 24, 2014, 11:49:16 AM »
After further thought:

Having a "recommended book list" is so 1995.

Instead, how about a list of the best books on every topic?

I suggest we derive inspiration from this:



Interzone / The problem with rationalism
« on: April 24, 2014, 10:59:38 AM »
The problem with rationalism is this: it tries to raise a human perspective to a universal one.

We project a lot of our own minds and what types of data-structures are convenient for them to use. When analyzing life, we break it down and fit it into those human data-structures.

We also impose the solipsistic bias, which is (a) because this is what I see, it is what everyone sees and (b) because I am seeing it, my viewpoint is absolute.

This is distinct from "I have seen reality, past my own bias, and I can't believe others do not." But from a distance and to someone has not experienced both, they look identical.

This is the root of the Crowd's poison: they wish to make the two the same on a social level. Thus, socially (meaning socializing with friends, not institutionally) we assume that self-bias equals reality-bias.

Next time you parse a public speech by a public figure, consider how it manipulates along these lines.

Interzone / Re: It could be worse.
« on: April 24, 2014, 10:54:16 AM »
I guess to my mind it all comes down to Spengler and Plato.

Every population gets the leader it deserves.

If people are not autonomous actors for moral good, Authority steps right in.

The problem with "metal" is that it's in the entertainment-zone, i.e. people come here to be entertained. They thus tend to treat the place like an amusement park, which means you know, taking a dump in the car park and throwing your empty coke bottles on the ground.

If people here want less dictatorship, they need to step up the behavior and be critical of those who don't.

Same applies by the way to the USA. When the average behavior involves driving SUVs, being piggish and power hungry, wasting resources and acting dramatic, there's going to be a need for some tinpot with a uniform.

We got Obama -- whose only problem is that he's essentially a 1930s-style Red, passed on via his 1960s style disaster of a mother -- instead. Probably a gentle let down all things considered.

Interzone / Re: It could be worse.
« on: April 23, 2014, 11:18:26 PM »
I think crow's frustration is that he desires the forum to reach a state in which it isn't necessary for him to explain why certain behaviors are unproductive.

Understandable. It's nice to have a basis to build upon, not constantly re-invent the wheel. Maybe this is something that more experienced members can pass on as a kind of "culture."

Interzone / Re: Tell me about your education.
« on: April 23, 2014, 11:17:39 PM »
All of school is memorization camouflaged as learning.

How else do you test?

You make a list of things to memorize, and whoever memorizes the most wins.

Interzone / Re: Should this forum sticky a list of essential reads?
« on: April 23, 2014, 11:16:33 PM »
I was wondering, for those who want to learn more about the ideology (for lack of a better word) this website 'officially' supports, should there be a reading list for those willing?

This is a metal site, hence it's gonna be books about metal, art, music and sodomy only...

Interzone / Re: How lucky you are!
« on: April 23, 2014, 03:59:30 AM »
The post was deemed illegible and very hard to read.

Sounds like a personal vendetta on their part searching for a justification. Upset the existing order in any way, and you get branded a heretic and exiled. Monkeytime.

Interzone / Re: Tell me about your education.
« on: April 22, 2014, 06:35:33 PM »
How about if I said I love questions more than answers, or that success without failure leaves me feeling more empty than anything else?

It's impossible to love questions without loving answers. Answers are often new sets of questions. To love questions alone is to commit the eternal leftist sin of wanting to conjecture but not validate with reality.

Interzone / Re: More on nihilism.
« on: April 22, 2014, 06:34:38 PM »
The only reason it 'exists' is because we can identify it.

True. Or rather: it exists, but the only reason we see it as an 'it' is that we separate ourselves from it. However, to some degree, we must, as we are independent actors and must affirm that role or our denial of it will lead us to neglect making choices about what we do.

Also, DMBM, would you say that the former type of nihilist leads to confused doctrines, as it is intrinsically contradictory?

Absolutely. They negate nihilism by preaching a moralistic ideology derived from a sense of communal obligation to the individual. No nihilist actually feels that.

However, they won't see it this way, because nihilism is their cover story and their underlying agenda is fairly bog-standard albeit slightly extremist leftism, itself a subset of Crowdism in this context.

Interzone / Re: How I fucked your mother and other stories.
« on: April 22, 2014, 06:31:36 PM »
Each member must do his bit, by himself, for himself.

The important part here is recognizing that your self-interest includes civilization at large and as a part of that, this forum.

Without civilization, we are nothing... people adrift in third-world-level wastelands. (Third-world-level can happen anywhere. It's not a place; it's a degree of civilizational collapse.)

Then, there's the high cost of not having constant enforcement: we must all behave, and remind others to do the same, and if someone refuses, we must boycott them until they fuck off :)

Interzone / Re: More on nihilism.
« on: April 22, 2014, 02:22:56 PM »
Nihilists claim there is no meaning in anything.

There are two types of people claiming to be nihilists.

The first are leftist-anarchists of the Counter-Order.com variety. These are leftist anarchists of the usual type.

The second are people like myself. We modify your quote to be:

Nihilists claim there is no inherent meaning in anything.

If people choose to live or die, it means nothing to the cosmos.

There is no inherent meaning in survival.

There is however an opportunity.

This serves as a type of filter. Those who think by consequence and not ego- or social-based moralizing will see this opportunity and choose it.

They will survive, and those who have their heads up their asses (via radical individualism and its social counterpart, Crowdism) will die out.

Natural selection. Heil nature!

Interzone / How I fucked your mother and other stories.
« on: April 22, 2014, 02:19:50 PM »
I realize the internet is a big Rumpus Room. It's where people go to blow off steam.

The difference here is that we're seeking to avoid the sickness of society at large. Society is sick; every charlatan acknowledges that. But here, there's a difference: we seek solutions.

The first solution is a very simple one. It is to stop carrying the sickness with us. Since the sickness is a frame of mind and series of behaviors, task #1 is to purge those from ourselves.

I propose that this forum resolve to exclusively pursue this path, and for new users to be quiet until they think they've begun beating this disease.

Interzone / How to use the internet as a weapon
« on: April 12, 2014, 08:16:44 PM »
"Several high profile protests have circulated across the Web in the past few weeks, garnering social and news media attention and even forcing the resignation of one high-level executive. There are two components driving the trend in Internet protests: They tend to be effective against Web services, and online networks allow people to mobilize quickly. According to a study released last month by Georgetown University's Center for Social Impact Communication, active Web useres are likely to do far more for a cause than simply 'like' it on a website. And, because a few clicks can cancel a service, their actions carry weight. But there may be a coming backlash as people can grow tired of online activism; and corporations may also take a more proactive stance in response to them."


Who shall we target first?

Interzone / Daniel Defoe - Robinson Crusoe
« on: April 03, 2014, 07:08:49 PM »

Worth reading. One of my favorite books as a kid. Escape... to the void!

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